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Post by beavheart on May 13, 2021 11:07:36 GMT -8
To our native forests, that is. Does anyone care?
To this guy it feels like the entities that should, don't. Putting it on the noxious weed list and eliminating sales of it from nurseries is the absolute, rock bottom, least that could possibly be done about the problem. Ok, that box is checked. What's next? Just let it metastasize like a malignant tumor, uncontrolled, until it really is too late to do anything about it?
Just gauging the room. I'm honestly curious if anyone has an opinion on this? There has to be some Forestry types around here with some perspective on the matter.
I have some ideas about how to fix the problem, but if I'm the only person on here who cares about our forest and wildlands being overrun by perhaps the most bomb-proof plant on the planet then I guess I'll take it up elsewhere.
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Post by zeroposter on May 13, 2021 11:22:33 GMT -8
There are just mind boggling numbers of different, invasive species present in our forests and rangeland. The medusa rye that I am trying to control on my own land makes cheat grass look like a very minor problem. A few years ago, an Oregon State scientist said for Oregon itself, the invasive weed problem was bigger in direct impact than global warming, and he wasn't minimizing GW.
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Post by Werebeaver on May 13, 2021 11:41:40 GMT -8
Maybe we should have a Forestry/Environmental Policy Board.  |
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Post by irimi on May 13, 2021 11:49:25 GMT -8
I love the look of ivy and wanted some around my home. Then I learned about how invasive it is, so I reconsidered. Walking by the river in town, it is easy to see ivy growing up the trees fighting for the sunlight. No one planted it there, just the birds.
It would be great to see the state step up and do more to protect our native forests.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on May 13, 2021 12:03:52 GMT -8
Why do you hate Wrigley Field?
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Post by beavheart on May 13, 2021 12:06:01 GMT -8
There are just mind boggling numbers of different, invasive species present in our forests and rangeland. The medusa rye that I am trying to control on my own land makes cheat grass look like a very minor problem. A few years ago, an Oregon State scientist said for Oregon itself, the invasive weed problem was bigger in direct impact than global warming, and he wasn't minimizing GW. I believe it. I know there are a bunch of invasive species. Some have made the news like Scotch Broom killing livestock. None of them, however, can and would be the penultimate forest the way the English Ivy can and will if left unchecked. I can't for the life of me think of another plant like it. Grows in FULL shade or FULL sun. Can grow in standing water, or through intense drought. The damn thing can literally grow off of the ground simply off of the nutrients trapped in spaces on the tree it's growing on. There isn't another plant anywhere that can compete with that. I get concerned when I go to Elk Rock (a small hike on the Willamette in Milwaukie) and see it cropping up all over the rock/island which is still mostly native (salal, mahonia, Pacific Madrone, Doug fir, Oregon White Oak, etc). How long until it over-takes all the native shrubs on that island? How long until it is strangling and toppling the Oregon White Oaks? You look across the river at that point and what used to be a sheer 150' rock cliff with native wildflowers growing on it is nearly half covered by a think mat of Ivy. I get concerned when I see Ivy growing quickly up and down the Santiam basin. Or along points in the Gorge. This is a clear cut of a problem that will only travel in one direction as long as we are asleep at the wheel, and "fixing it" to the extent possible will only get more difficult and costly as time goes on. Seems like this is one invasive species we simply can't afford to ignore. |
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Post by beavheart on May 13, 2021 12:20:15 GMT -8
I love the look of ivy and wanted some around my home. Then I learned about how invasive it is, so I reconsidered. Walking by the river in town, it is easy to see ivy growing up the trees fighting for the sunlight. No one planted it there, just the birds. It would be great to see the state step up and do more to protect our native forests. I do think there's a solution here. Simply needs to be a political will to do something about it. What blows my mind is I'm just a regular dude with some history in landscape and learned some things along the way. Where is the input from the fully staffed agencies that are paid to worry about this stuff? ODFW, USDA, USFS, or even the college of Forestry... what's up?? Nothing to say about this one? Seems like there could be a symbiotic relationship between the incarcerated population in the state and tackling the English Ivy problem. How hard would it be to slap some GPS devices on some inmates and get them some exercise while they learn a thing or two about horticulture while they hack at some Ivy? Seems like a win/win to me. |
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Post by beavheart on May 13, 2021 12:53:32 GMT -8
Why do you hate Wrigley Field? Ha! No way, love Wrigley. It would look better with Evergreen Clematis than Ivy anyway. |
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Post by irimi on May 13, 2021 13:03:15 GMT -8
I love the look of ivy and wanted some around my home. Then I learned about how invasive it is, so I reconsidered. Walking by the river in town, it is easy to see ivy growing up the trees fighting for the sunlight. No one planted it there, just the birds. It would be great to see the state step up and do more to protect our native forests. I do think there's a solution here. Simply needs to be a political will to do something about it. What blows my mind is I'm just a regular dude with some history in landscape and learned some things along the way. Where is the input from the fully staffed agencies that are paid to worry about this stuff? ODFW, USDA, USFS, or even the college of Forestry... what's up?? Nothing to say about this one? Seems like there could be a symbiotic relationship between the incarcerated population in the state and tackling the English Ivy problem. How hard would it be to slap some GPS devices on some inmates and get them some exercise while they learn a thing or two about horticulture while they hack at some Ivy? Seems like a win/win to me. I was thinking more like some 18 year olds who want to work. First, we have to remove it from every residence and business. Combing through the forests isn't going to help if it just keeps getting brought back by the birds. |
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Post by mbabeav on May 13, 2021 14:00:32 GMT -8
I do think there's a solution here. Simply needs to be a political will to do something about it. What blows my mind is I'm just a regular dude with some history in landscape and learned some things along the way. Where is the input from the fully staffed agencies that are paid to worry about this stuff? ODFW, USDA, USFS, or even the college of Forestry... what's up?? Nothing to say about this one? Seems like there could be a symbiotic relationship between the incarcerated population in the state and tackling the English Ivy problem. How hard would it be to slap some GPS devices on some inmates and get them some exercise while they learn a thing or two about horticulture while they hack at some Ivy? Seems like a win/win to me. I was thinking more like some 18 year olds who want to work. First, we have to remove it from every residence and business. Combing through the forests isn't going to help if it just keeps getting brought back by the birds. Sounds like job security Welcome to the hotel English Ivy, such a lovely place, you can kill it back any time you like, but it will never leave. |
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Post by lebaneaver on May 13, 2021 14:52:45 GMT -8
Planted some English ivy for some ground cover, soil stability a couple decades ago. Good God! Ground cover, and then some. I sprayed quite a bit of it with Crossbow (shameless plug) about a month ago, and it IS doing the trick, but I’m going to have to work my ass off PULLING all the vines out. “Evil Ivy”
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Post by beavheart on May 13, 2021 16:36:34 GMT -8
Planted some English ivy for some ground cover, soil stability a couple decades ago. Good God! Ground cover, and then some. I sprayed quite a bit of it with Crossbow (shameless plug) about a month ago, and it IS doing the trick, but I’m going to have to work my ass off PULLING all the vines out. “Evil Ivy” The plant is truly the cancer of the plant kingdom. In every way. ESPECIALLY when trying to remove it. One of the worst jobs I can think of. And damn near impossible. Also, you have to kill it back multiple times, sometimes for years to really get rid of it. It will keep coming back, even after killing it with Crossbow. We really are in deep s%#t with this one. I hate to say it. |
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Post by believeinthebeavs on May 13, 2021 17:13:49 GMT -8
Being from the coast, European beach grass and scotch broom are 2 more invasive species that have destroyed the environment with very little chance of ever being able to eradicate them.
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Post by beavheart on May 13, 2021 17:48:46 GMT -8
I was thinking more like some 18 year olds who want to work. First, we have to remove it from every residence and business. Combing through the forests isn't going to help if it just keeps getting brought back by the birds. Sounds like job security Welcome to the hotel English Ivy, such a lovely place, you can kill it back any time you like, but it will never leave. Nice Eagles pull. You're hired for the PR wing of Zero-Ivy Inc. |
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Post by irimi on May 13, 2021 20:47:19 GMT -8
Sounds like job security Welcome to the hotel English Ivy, such a lovely place, you can kill it back any time you like, but it will never leave. Nice Eagles pull. You're hired for the PR wing of Zero-Ivy Inc. If you get Joe Walsh in, I’ll be there! |
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