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Post by Henry Skrimshander on May 5, 2021 15:27:26 GMT -8
New York State is using common sense.
Starting on May 19, vaccinated baseball fans can sit in sections at full capacity in major- and minor-league stadiums across New York State.
Capacity will be limited to about 33% in sections where unvaccinated fans are seated, as 6-foot social distancing rules will be in effect.
Masks also will be required of all attendees.
Put the unvaccinated sections in the CF bleachers and upper decks.
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Post by spudbeaver on May 5, 2021 15:36:25 GMT -8
New York State is using common sense. Starting on May 19, vaccinated baseball fans can sit in sections at full capacity in major- and minor-league stadiums across New York State. Capacity will be limited to about 33% in sections where unvaccinated fans are seated, as 6-foot social distancing rules will be in effect.Masks also will be required of all attendees.Put the unvaccinated sections in the CF bleachers and upper decks. It's a step, yes. But this makes no sense. Masks also will be required of all attendees. Even in the vaccinated section for vaccinated people. Why? |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on May 5, 2021 15:57:33 GMT -8
New York State is using common sense. Starting on May 19, vaccinated baseball fans can sit in sections at full capacity in major- and minor-league stadiums across New York State. Capacity will be limited to about 33% in sections where unvaccinated fans are seated, as 6-foot social distancing rules will be in effect.Masks also will be required of all attendees.Put the unvaccinated sections in the CF bleachers and upper decks. It's a step, yes. But this makes no sense. Masks also will be required of all attendees. Even in the vaccinated section for vaccinated people. Why? No vaccine has 100% efficacy so they might as well make a minimum effort. Not going to harm anything anyway. Also might keep the unvaccinated from crying discrimination to some degree. |
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Post by Judge Smails on May 5, 2021 16:20:05 GMT -8
New York State is using common sense. Starting on May 19, vaccinated baseball fans can sit in sections at full capacity in major- and minor-league stadiums across New York State. Capacity will be limited to about 33% in sections where unvaccinated fans are seated, as 6-foot social distancing rules will be in effect.Masks also will be required of all attendees.Put the unvaccinated sections in the CF bleachers and upper decks. It's a step, yes. But this makes no sense. Masks also will be required of all attendees. Even in the vaccinated section for vaccinated people. Why? New Yorkers are known for their spitting. |
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Post by irimi on May 5, 2021 16:44:38 GMT -8
It's a step, yes. But this makes no sense. Masks also will be required of all attendees. Even in the vaccinated section for vaccinated people. Why? New Yorkers are known for their spitting. Probably help make New York look more beautiful, too. |
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Post by spudbeaver on May 5, 2021 18:18:08 GMT -8
It's a step, yes. But this makes no sense. Masks also will be required of all attendees. Even in the vaccinated section for vaccinated people. Why? No vaccine has 100% efficacy so they might as well make a minimum effort. Not going to harm anything anyway. Also might keep the unvaccinated from crying discrimination to some degree. That’s right. Now I remember wearing my mask for years through school for my MMR vaccine. Silly me. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on May 5, 2021 18:40:52 GMT -8
No vaccine has 100% efficacy so they might as well make a minimum effort. Not going to harm anything anyway. Also might keep the unvaccinated from crying discrimination to some degree. That’s right. Now I remember wearing my mask for years through school for my MMR vaccine. Silly me. We didn't have an epidemic at the time. Even though they are outdoors they will be in close proximity for a few hours with potentially some yelling. My goal would be to get this over ASAP. The longer this drags out because people fail to take precautions, the greater the opportunity for the dang virus to mutate. This epidemic could be over but for the mopping up in a few weeks if everyone cooperated with vaccines and distancing/masking efforts. |
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Post by spudbeaver on May 5, 2021 19:14:45 GMT -8
That’s right. Now I remember wearing my mask for years through school for my MMR vaccine. Silly me. We didn't have an epidemic at the time. Even though they are outdoors they will be in close proximity for a few hours with potentially some yelling. My goal would be to get this over ASAP. The longer this drags out because people fail to take precautions, the greater the opportunity for the dang virus to mutate. This epidemic could be over but for the mopping up in a few weeks if everyone cooperated with vaccines and distancing/masking efforts. Are the vaccines effective or not? If the answer is yes, vaccinated people should not have to mask, social distance, etc. If no, what the hell are we doing? Also, are you implying that measles isn’t a dangerous, highly contagious disease? |
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Post by TheGlove on May 5, 2021 20:20:34 GMT -8
We didn't have an epidemic at the time. Even though they are outdoors they will be in close proximity for a few hours with potentially some yelling. My goal would be to get this over ASAP. The longer this drags out because people fail to take precautions, the greater the opportunity for the dang virus to mutate. This epidemic could be over but for the mopping up in a few weeks if everyone cooperated with vaccines and distancing/masking efforts. Are the vaccines effective or not? If the answer is yes, vaccinated people should not have to mask, social distance, etc. If no, what the hell are we doing? Also, are you implying that measles isn’t a dangerous, highly contagious disease? why do you care what the Yankees are doing? |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on May 5, 2021 21:25:24 GMT -8
We didn't have an epidemic at the time. Even though they are outdoors they will be in close proximity for a few hours with potentially some yelling. My goal would be to get this over ASAP. The longer this drags out because people fail to take precautions, the greater the opportunity for the dang virus to mutate. This epidemic could be over but for the mopping up in a few weeks if everyone cooperated with vaccines and distancing/masking efforts. Are the vaccines effective or not? If the answer is yes, vaccinated people should not have to mask, social distance, etc. If no, what the hell are we doing? Also, are you implying that measles isn’t a dangerous, highly contagious disease? The vaccines are effective, not perfect. There are and will continue to be "breakthrough" cases, which could potentially transfer to other unvaccinated individuals or those others for which the vaccine didn't work. Unless the efficacy rate is 100%, it doesn't work for everyone. The JNJ efficacy rate is 72%, the 2 mRNA vaccines are 95-ish. It felt like you were kidding about the MMR masking. Measles is serious.... the measles/flu/small pox trifecta killed something like 95% on the native population of the Americas some 600ish years ago - that's how serious novel viruses can be, and I'd like everyone to get vaccinated right now before it can mutate into something we can't vaccinate for without going through another government approval and testing process. If everyone got their first shot tomorrow, in something like 10-15 days a huge chunk of them would be to where their immune systems are learning how to deal with the existing variants. It could potentially be shut down by herd immunity at that point. Not knowing exactly how many people are needed to achieve herd immunity, the more who have immunity which has been primed by either vaccine or having had covid, the less likely it is to spread. I also am fully vaccinated, and I'm not worried about getting covid, but I had no reaction to the 2nd dose so I do not know for certain if I am or am not one of the 1 in 20 Pfizer recipients for which the vaccine didn't provide full protection. If they request masking when in close proximity for extended periods of time I'd play along to be courteous to the next person. |
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Post by atownbeaver on May 6, 2021 6:43:22 GMT -8
New York State is using common sense. Starting on May 19, vaccinated baseball fans can sit in sections at full capacity in major- and minor-league stadiums across New York State. Capacity will be limited to about 33% in sections where unvaccinated fans are seated, as 6-foot social distancing rules will be in effect.Masks also will be required of all attendees.Put the unvaccinated sections in the CF bleachers and upper decks. It's a step, yes. But this makes no sense. Masks also will be required of all attendees. Even in the vaccinated section for vaccinated people. Why? It is undetermined if vaccinated people can shed the virus or not, and of course vaccines are not 100% effective. It is extremely low burden yet offers reasonable additional protection. And lastly: people move about at baseball games and go to concourses and concession stands... I doubt those parts are fully segregated. |
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Post by orangeattack on May 6, 2021 13:00:38 GMT -8
It's a step, yes. But this makes no sense. Masks also will be required of all attendees. Even in the vaccinated section for vaccinated people. Why? It is extremely low burden yet offers reasonable additional protection. And lastly: people move about at baseball games and go to concourses and concession stands... I doubt those parts are fully segregated. I suspect that the conservative approach here is due to the amount of people who will lie about being vaccinated |
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Post by atownbeaver on May 6, 2021 13:43:13 GMT -8
It is undetermined if vaccinated people can shed the virus or not, and of course vaccines are not 100% effective. It is extremely low burden yet offers reasonable additional protection. And lastly: people move about at baseball games and go to concourses and concession stands... I doubt those parts are fully segregated. I suspect that the conservative approach here is due to the amount of people who will lie about being vaccinated There is no magic sauce in those vaccine cards and lot stickers. A child could forge them... |
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Post by atownbeaver on May 6, 2021 14:55:37 GMT -8
It is undetermined if vaccinated people can shed the virus or not, and of course vaccines are not 100% effective. It is extremely low burden yet offers reasonable additional protection. And lastly: people move about at baseball games and go to concourses and concession stands... I doubt those parts are fully segregated. I suspect that the conservative approach here is due to the amount of people who will lie about being vaccinated and of course, this: www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/california-bar-owner-arrested-fake-covid-vaccine-cards |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on May 6, 2021 15:46:53 GMT -8
Are the vaccines effective or not? If the answer is yes, vaccinated people should not have to mask, social distance, etc. If no, what the hell are we doing? Also, are you implying that measles isn’t a dangerous, highly contagious disease? The vaccines are effective, not perfect. There are and will continue to be "breakthrough" cases, which could potentially transfer to other unvaccinated individuals or those others for which the vaccine didn't work. Unless the efficacy rate is 100%, it doesn't work for everyone. The JNJ efficacy rate is 72%, the 2 mRNA vaccines are 95-ish. It felt like you were kidding about the MMR masking. Measles is serious.... the measles/flu/small pox trifecta killed something like 95% on the native population of the Americas some 600ish years ago - that's how serious novel viruses can be, and I'd like everyone to get vaccinated right now before it can mutate into something we can't vaccinate for without going through another government approval and testing process. If everyone got their first shot tomorrow, in something like 10-15 days a huge chunk of them would be to where their immune systems are learning how to deal with the existing variants. It could potentially be shut down by herd immunity at that point. Not knowing exactly how many people are needed to achieve herd immunity, the more who have immunity which has been primed by either vaccine or having had covid, the less likely it is to spread. I also am fully vaccinated, and I'm not worried about getting covid, but I had no reaction to the 2nd dose so I do not know for certain if I am or am not one of the 1 in 20 Pfizer recipients for which the vaccine didn't provide full protection. If they request masking when in close proximity for extended periods of time I'd play along to be courteous to the next person. This might be a dumb question, but can't you give blood and ensure that you were vaccinated? Most blood donation sites provide donors with COVID-19 antibody testing. If not, I encourage people to give blood anyway! It can help men avoid certain diseases and helps a lot of people that need blood to live. |
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