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Post by jdogge on Apr 6, 2021 13:17:54 GMT -8
I get that this is a body-of-work ranking, but I can't help but chuckle at the fact that we are looking up at 5 teams we beat head to head in this ranking, and we're #20! That's a full quarter of the field above us. How many teams can say they beat anyone above them, at all? Pretty heady stuff. Just hope we can seize this momentum and carry into next year. If we retain enough of this team, do we get a preseason ranking this fall? It's that low because the Beavs embarrassed the east coast sports snob alliance.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Apr 6, 2021 13:24:00 GMT -8
It really highlights importance of the non-conference games. Losing to good teams is acceptable, but a Pac-12 team cannot lose to EITHER Wyoming or UofP, much less both, and expect consideration for national rankings or at-large bids. Too deep a hole, and many OSU MBB teams have failed to dig out. Very happy this one did, but it took a little luck along the way. Really really hope that this season helps with scheduling better teams in the future. Replace those Wyoming and U of P games with some higher profile games (maybe a Gonzaga, SDSU, Nevada just to name some programs close to us) and that should help with that. Would love to see some other P5 games as well, maybe a more prestigious non-conference tournament with a couple of blue bloods or pre-season ranked teams (Maui, Atlantis?). This may be wishful thinking, but I think we'd all be much happier with 6-6 to 8-4 in non-conference play with a lot of good teams on the schedule than 10-2 with a home or neutral loss to Portland. Gonzaga begged us for games in the 1970s and 1980s, when it was an insignificant regional program. Ralph obliged them, and even went to Spokane. But now that they are good, they don't need us and won't even talk to us about scheduling a game. Ex-assistant coach Jeff Reinart (sp?), who had GU ties, tried and tried and they blew him off. GU thinks it's too big for us anymore.
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Post by atownbeaver on Apr 6, 2021 13:43:33 GMT -8
Really really hope that this season helps with scheduling better teams in the future. Replace those Wyoming and U of P games with some higher profile games (maybe a Gonzaga, SDSU, Nevada just to name some programs close to us) and that should help with that. Would love to see some other P5 games as well, maybe a more prestigious non-conference tournament with a couple of blue bloods or pre-season ranked teams (Maui, Atlantis?). This may be wishful thinking, but I think we'd all be much happier with 6-6 to 8-4 in non-conference play with a lot of good teams on the schedule than 10-2 with a home or neutral loss to Portland. Gonzaga begged us for games in the 1970s and 1980s, when it was an insignificant regional program. Ralph obliged them, and even went to Spokane. But now that they are good, they don't need us and won't even talk to us about scheduling a game. Ex-assistant coach Jeff Reinart (sp?), who had GU ties, tried and tried and they blew him off. GU thinks it's too big for us anymore. Thing is, Gonzaga is stuck in mid-major conference. While WCC is better than some, that is a one bid conference more seasons than not. Zags are going to win that conference sure, but to get the seeds they want, they absolutely have to ramp up their OOC. Zags need to schedule OOC hard. They played Kansas, Iowa, West Virgina and Virginia and had Baylor on the schedule but it was cancelled.
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Post by finleybandbeav on Apr 6, 2021 14:05:42 GMT -8
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Apr 6, 2021 14:16:52 GMT -8
Gonzaga begged us for games in the 1970s and 1980s, when it was an insignificant regional program. Ralph obliged them, and even went to Spokane. But now that they are good, they don't need us and won't even talk to us about scheduling a game. Ex-assistant coach Jeff Reinart (sp?), who had GU ties, tried and tried and they blew him off. GU thinks it's too big for us anymore. Thing is, Gonzaga is stuck in mid-major conference. While WCC is better than some, that is a one bid conference more seasons than not. Zags are going to win that conference sure, but to get the seeds they want, they absolutely have to ramp up their OOC. Zags need to schedule OOC hard. They played Kansas, Iowa, West Virgina and Virginia and had Baylor on the schedule but it was cancelled. Gonzaga played/had scheduled Tarleton State, Northwestern State, Northern Arizona, Idaho, Southern and Dixie State in 2020-21. In 2019-20 it played Alabama State, Arkansas-Pine Bluff, North Dakota, UT Arlington, CSU-Bakersfield, Texas Southern and Detroit-Mercy. In 2018-19 it played Idaho State, Texas Southern, NDSU, UT Arlington, Denver, North Alabama and Bakersfield. It could have found a spot for us had it wanted to. And helped its SOS.
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Post by qbeaver on Apr 6, 2021 15:10:58 GMT -8
Every piece of info we send to recruits should have something about being an elite 8 team,and top 20 team after the season. We became relevant again. Kids want to play places that they can win at,and show their wares for the NBA. We now have some ammunition to go out and recruit with...need to take advantage of it and strike while the iron is hot.
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Post by osubeaver2018 on Apr 8, 2021 14:19:23 GMT -8
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Post by ag87 on Apr 8, 2021 14:54:31 GMT -8
Maybe more fun is trying to identify the 40 by the logos posted.
#20 Oral Roberts? #36 Louisville or Illinois State? #40 Loyola of Maryland? if so why? It seems like Colgate or Bucknell normally wins the Patriot. But have either ever won a NCAA tournament game? Is Navy the last team to have some success in the tournament (back in David Robinson days)? The logo is obvious for #12 but really? Bob Lanier must be 75 years old now days. And #15, I think they have some serious repercussions in their future. Finally three Atlantic 10 teams . . . . maybe the author should have added George Mason and George Washington.
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Post by Judge Smails on Apr 8, 2021 14:57:24 GMT -8
Maybe more fun is trying to identify the 40 by the logos posted. #20 Oral Roberts? #36 Louisville or Illinois State? #40 Loyola of Maryland? if so why? It seems like Colgate or Bucknell normally wins the Patriot. But have either ever won a NCAA tournament game? Is Navy the last team to have some success in the tournament (back in David Robinson days)? The logo is obvious for #12 but really? Bob Lanier must be 75 years old now days. And #15, I think they have some serious repercussions in their future. Finally three Atlantic 10 teams . . . . maybe the author should have added George Mason and George Washington. Bucknell won a tournament game in both 2005 and 2006.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Apr 8, 2021 19:02:07 GMT -8
Maybe more fun is trying to identify the 40 by the logos posted. #20 Oral Roberts? #36 Louisville or Illinois State? #40 Loyola of Maryland? if so why? It seems like Colgate or Bucknell normally wins the Patriot. But have either ever won a NCAA tournament game? Is Navy the last team to have some success in the tournament (back in David Robinson days)? The logo is obvious for #12 but really? Bob Lanier must be 75 years old now days. And #15, I think they have some serious repercussions in their future. Finally three Atlantic 10 teams . . . . maybe the author should have added George Mason and George Washington. I am guessing that they used the wrong Loyola logo. Loyola Maryland has never won the Patriot League. A fun fact is that Boston University won the Patriot League for the first time ever last season but did not go to the Tournament because of coronavirus. Bucknell and Colgate have won the Patriot League every year in the past five, except for last year. But Colgate missed the Tournament every year from 1996-2019. Before the last five years, Holy Cross won the Patriot League more than any other conference member. Holy Cross won a First Four game in 2016. Of more import, Lehigh upset Duke in 2012. Bucknell had wins over Kansas in 2005 and Arkansas in 2006. And those are the only four wins in Patriot League history. Navy has won the Patriot League Regular Season Championship five times and the Championship three times but has never won a Tournament game. Navy actually was a member of the CAA, when David Robinson was there. Navy finished second in 1984 and then won three straight CAA Championships from 1985-1987. #13 Navy upset #4 LSU in 1985 before losing to #5 Maryland. In 1986, #7 Navy beat #10 Tulsa and upset #2 Syracuse at Syracuse. 1986 Navy beat #14 Cleveland State before finally losing to Duke, who would lose the Championship Game to Louisville by three. In 1987, #8 Navy was upset by #9 Michigan.
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Post by spudbeaver on Apr 8, 2021 19:32:09 GMT -8
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Post by spudbeaver on Apr 8, 2021 19:33:51 GMT -8
Maybe more fun is trying to identify the 40 by the logos posted. #20 Oral Roberts? #36 Louisville or Illinois State? #40 Loyola of Maryland? if so why? It seems like Colgate or Bucknell normally wins the Patriot. But have either ever won a NCAA tournament game? Is Navy the last team to have some success in the tournament (back in David Robinson days)? The logo is obvious for #12 but really? Bob Lanier must be 75 years old now days. And #15, I think they have some serious repercussions in their future. Finally three Atlantic 10 teams . . . . maybe the author should have added George Mason and George Washington. I am guessing that they used the wrong Loyola logo. Loyola Maryland has never won the Patriot League. A fun fact is that Boston University won the Patriot League for the first time ever last season but did not go to the Tournament because of coronavirus. Bucknell and Colgate have won the Patriot League every year in the past five, except for last year. But Colgate missed the Tournament every year from 1996-2019. Before the last five years, Holy Cross won the Patriot League more than any other conference member. Holy Cross won a First Four game in 2016. Of more import, Lehigh upset Duke in 2012. Bucknell had wins over Kansas in 2005 and Arkansas in 2006. And those are the only four wins in Patriot League history. Navy has won the Patriot League Regular Season Championship five times and the Championship three times but has never won a Tournament game. Navy actually was a member of the CAA, when David Robinson was there. Navy finished second in 1984 and then won three straight CAA Championships from 1985-1987. #13 Navy upset #4 LSU in 1985 before losing to #5 Maryland. In 1986, #7 Navy beat #10 Tulsa and upset #2 Syracuse at Syracuse. 1986 Navy beat #14 Cleveland State before finally losing to Duke, who would lose the Championship Game to Louisville by three. In 1987, #8 Navy was upset by #9 Michigan. The constant Colgate missing left a big cavity in the bracket. Hope folks don’t just brush that aside.
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Post by Judge Smails on Apr 8, 2021 19:38:21 GMT -8
I am guessing that they used the wrong Loyola logo. Loyola Maryland has never won the Patriot League. A fun fact is that Boston University won the Patriot League for the first time ever last season but did not go to the Tournament because of coronavirus. Bucknell and Colgate have won the Patriot League every year in the past five, except for last year. But Colgate missed the Tournament every year from 1996-2019. Before the last five years, Holy Cross won the Patriot League more than any other conference member. Holy Cross won a First Four game in 2016. Of more import, Lehigh upset Duke in 2012. Bucknell had wins over Kansas in 2005 and Arkansas in 2006. And those are the only four wins in Patriot League history. Navy has won the Patriot League Regular Season Championship five times and the Championship three times but has never won a Tournament game. Navy actually was a member of the CAA, when David Robinson was there. Navy finished second in 1984 and then won three straight CAA Championships from 1985-1987. #13 Navy upset #4 LSU in 1985 before losing to #5 Maryland. In 1986, #7 Navy beat #10 Tulsa and upset #2 Syracuse at Syracuse. 1986 Navy beat #14 Cleveland State before finally losing to Duke, who would lose the Championship Game to Louisville by three. In 1987, #8 Navy was upset by #9 Michigan. The constant Colgate missing left a big cavity in the bracket. Hope folks don’t just brush that aside. I think their program crested last year.
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Post by wetrodentia on Apr 8, 2021 21:56:43 GMT -8
The constant Colgate missing left a big cavity in the bracket. Hope folks don’t just brush that aside. I think their program crested last year. I disagree. I believe their future is ultra-brite.
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Post by beavs6 on Apr 9, 2021 8:40:46 GMT -8
I think their program crested last year. I disagree. I believe their future is ultra-brite. As they say...AIM high!
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