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Post by Judge Smails on Apr 5, 2021 16:53:03 GMT -8
I still think we need to bring back the ability to commit people to mental health facilities. That went away as it was seen as cruel. However, now our mental health problem, especially among the homeless has exploded. I see it everyday in Corvallis. Our homeless population has grown immensely over the past few years and a lot of them have serious mental health issues that are not being addressed. These are also the people that are constantly being put in jail, released and then put in jail again because they refuse to seek help.
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Post by irimi on Apr 5, 2021 20:10:25 GMT -8
I still think we need to bring back the ability to commit people to mental health facilities. That went away as it was seen as cruel. However, now our mental health problem, especially among the homeless has exploded. I see it everyday in Corvallis. Our homeless population has grown immensely over the past few years and a lot of them have serious mental health issues that are not being addressed. These are also the people that are constantly being put in jail, released and then put in jail again because they refuse to seek help. The homeless crisis really sucks because so much aid requires a physical address. Without an address, you’re living off the grid as far as the government and others are concerned. I was shocked to learn that homelessness is a problem for college students now. Apparently, there are quite a few at OSU so the university has a special program to help these kids quit couch surfing and find a place to stay. That’s a step forward.
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Post by Judge Smails on Apr 6, 2021 4:10:59 GMT -8
I still think we need to bring back the ability to commit people to mental health facilities. That went away as it was seen as cruel. However, now our mental health problem, especially among the homeless has exploded. I see it everyday in Corvallis. Our homeless population has grown immensely over the past few years and a lot of them have serious mental health issues that are not being addressed. These are also the people that are constantly being put in jail, released and then put in jail again because they refuse to seek help. The homeless crisis really sucks because so much aid requires a physical address. Without an address, you’re living off the grid as far as the government and others are concerned. I was shocked to learn that homelessness is a problem for college students now. Apparently, there are quite a few at OSU so the university has a special program to help these kids quit couch surfing and find a place to stay. That’s a step forward. Yes, there are hundreds of homeless college students in Corvallis. But hey, according to the women’s BB board, at least they’re not D1 athletes! They had it much worse.
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Post by seastape on Apr 7, 2021 22:45:42 GMT -8
If I remember my crime reports right (why have they disappeared from the GT?), this guy had a long, long history of contact with law enforcement before Sunday morning, dating back to his teens. I think his brother or a relative with the same last name also has been involved with law enforcement on many occasions. Here's the key comment of this thread. This person had many encounters with law enforcement over many years. None of those many interactions impressed on the now deceased that he should mend his ways or behave in a different manner that was not threatening to his fellow citizens. The consequences that he faced from the earlier actions were not sufficient or important enough for him deter future behavior of this kind, including this final incident.
His death was not the result of a single interaction and failure to comply with lawfully given instructions that ended in the termination of his life at the hotel. He had many opportunities in this encounter to put down his weapon as he had many opportunities over the years to change his path in life.
I find it tragic that this person died. I do not peg the failure here on the police action in this incident - this was going to happen sooner or later with a cop or a citizen in their home that was confronted with this guy and his knife.
I don't think that the multiple prior encounters with the police really mattered in this case. If the man with the knife had no criminal record, no history of mentall illness, and no record of real trouble before this incident, in short, if he was a model citizen, he was still likely to be shot if he chased a law enforcement officer with knife. It is tragic that the man died, but it was likely to end that way from the second that he drew the knife and went after the cop. I have no idea whether an investigation will find that excessive force was sued, but deadly force was at least initially justified in this case.
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