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Post by greybeav on Sept 11, 2021 6:54:48 GMT -8
I went ahead and subscribed for a year, $4 / month, here are some chunks of the article.
The NCAA has undervalued its annual women’s basketball tournament by tens of millions of dollars and should overhaul how it operates and sells rights to the event, according to a critical report by a law firm the NCAA hired to analyze gender inequities in its championships.
The NCAA’s broadcast agreements, corporate sponsorships, revenue distribution, organizational structure and culture “all prioritize Division I men’s basketball over everything else in ways that create, normalize, and perpetuate gender inequities,” according to the 118-page report prepared by the law firm Kaplan Hecker & Fink LLC.
The report concludes that maximizing revenues from women’s basketball and other sports will “promote gender equity while at the same time increasing and diversifying the NCAA’s revenue streams.”
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In response to media inquiries during the basketball tournaments in March, the NCAA said the women’s tournament lost $2.8 million in 2019, “the largest loss of any NCAA championship.”
Yet detailed estimates included in an addendum to the Kaplan report, prepared by a sports media rights consultant who worked for more than two decades as an NBA executive, paint a sharply different picture.
The women’s basketball tournament could be worth $100 million a year in media-rights fees alone starting in 2025 after its current deal ends. That’s according to an analysis led by Ed Desser, president of a California-based sports media rights consultancy.
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Post by Werebeaver on Sept 11, 2021 7:13:35 GMT -8
I highly doubt that the NCAA is knowingly leaving money on the table with respect to the WBB tournament. The NCAA is all about making money and I don’t think they much care where it comes from. If they could make their Bowling Championship a media rights cash cow they would, in a heartbeat.
It’s overly simplistic to say that the MBB tournament makes a lot of money so the WBB tournament should too. Do they think it’s just a function of more advertising?
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Post by Werebeaver on Sept 11, 2021 7:28:24 GMT -8
The report completed on the heels of this issue has been released... evidently in August. Just found this article today. I hope this Wall Street Journal article attached is readable for all.
Now to see if the "leaders" at NCAA can work their way out of the wet paper sack they are in. Behind a paywall. Not able to access.
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Post by bvrbooster on Sept 11, 2021 9:57:34 GMT -8
If the tournament 'lost' $2.9 million in 2019, how did the NCAA come up with the money for payouts to all the D! schools? They take in X amount of revenue from ticket sales, parking, apparel sales, and, of course, media rights. All that is more than enough to cover actual costs - it costs no more for a team to come to Corvallis for a regular season game than to come here for a tournament game.
Just making up numbers here, but let's say the tournament puts $25 million into the NCAA's coffers. There are 63 games, so 126 teams participating in those games. During the first 2 rounds, up to 32 of those teams will be playing a home game (it will be 32 unless a top 16 seed loses a first round game). That, then, leaves 94 'road' games.
If the revenue is $25 million, that leaves $265,957 per team per game to cover the costs of a 'road' trip. If you bring 15 players, 5 coaches, and 3 miscellaneous personnel, that's $11,563 per person if you lose the first game, $23,126 per person if you win it. So everybody flies first class, stays in 4 star hotels, and rides to the game in their own limo?
The NCAA didn't 'lose'$2.9 million; they overspent their revenue by $2.9 million.
Greybeav, you will enjoy reading parts of the Journal, but you'll never see another article on women's basketball there.
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Post by beaveragain on Sept 11, 2021 11:53:37 GMT -8
I highly doubt that the NCAA is knowingly leaving money on the table with respect to the WBB tournament. The NCAA is all about making money and I don’t think they much care where it comes from. If they could make their Bowling Championship a media rights cash cow they would, in a heartbeat. It’s overly simplistic to say that the MBB tournament makes a lot of money so the WBB tournament should too. Do they think it’s just a function of more advertising? The number of times in my life where I heard or read someone saying "naw, she/he/they wouldn't do that". And he/she/they did it, has been one of the more surprising things I've found to be true.
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Post by Werebeaver on Sept 11, 2021 12:38:37 GMT -8
I highly doubt that the NCAA is knowingly leaving money on the table with respect to the WBB tournament. The NCAA is all about making money and I don’t think they much care where it comes from. If they could make their Bowling Championship a media rights cash cow they would, in a heartbeat. It’s overly simplistic to say that the MBB tournament makes a lot of money so the WBB tournament should too. Do they think it’s just a function of more advertising? The number of times in my life where I heard or read someone saying "naw, she/he/they wouldn't do that". And he/she/they did it, has been one of the more surprising things I've found to be true. But this isn’t a person. It’s an organization, led by men and women. www.ncaa.org/about/who-we-are/office-president/ncaa-senior-leadership-team
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Sept 11, 2021 12:40:29 GMT -8
it costs no more for a team to come to Corvallis for a regular season game than to come here for a tournament game.
Your numbers are way off. It's far more expensive for an NCAA tournament game. Plus they do not include any expenses for NCAA personnel, referees, etc., which are considerable. And there is no "payout" - known as units in the men's tournament - in the women's tournament.
Plane tickets bought the week of the game are almost always much more expensive than those purchased well in advance for a regular-season game.
NCAA basketball traveling party is 75 or so. Administrators, pep band, cheerleaders, academic staff, etc.
Vising NCAA teams come to town several days before the game, not the day before as in regular-season games. One visiting team then must stay for 3-4 days to play in the regional final, instead of leaving the day of the game.
THAT SAID, I'd like to see the NCAA offer the women's tournament as a stand-alone TV bid, instead of lumping the bid together with the hockey, wrestling and volleyball tournaments. Attendance will never match the men's tournament, even with on-campus games to bump the crowds, but it is growing.
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Post by matt90 on Sept 11, 2021 13:05:17 GMT -8
They should just set up both tournaments in a 'profit-sharing' mode. Make the opportunity to 'make money' the same for both. They need to also require that the facilities, venues, accommodations are a match.
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Post by bvrbooster on Sept 11, 2021 17:19:56 GMT -8
it costs no more for a team to come to Corvallis for a regular season game than to come here for a tournament game.Your numbers are way off. It's far more expensive for an NCAA tournament game. Plus they do not include any expenses for NCAA personnel, referees, etc., which are considerable. And there is no "payout" - known as units in the men's tournament - in the women's tournament. ' Plane tickets bought the week of the game are almost always much more expensive than those purchased well in advance for a regular-season game. NCAA basketball traveling party is 75 or so. Administrators, pep band, cheerleaders, academic staff, etc. Vising NCAA teams come to town several days before the game, not the day before as in regular-season games. One visiting team then must stay for 3-4 days to play in the regional final, instead of leaving the day of the game. THAT SAID, I'd like to see the NCAA offer the women's tournament as a stand-alone TV bid, instead of lumping the bid together with the hockey, wrestling and volleyball tournaments. Attendance will never match the men's tournament, even with on-campus games to bump the crowds, but it is growing. That traveling party of 75 thing, and arriving several days before the game? That's a significant part of overspending their revenue. It doesn't 'have' to be done, but it is. Seems kind of ludicrous to me to have 48 teams each fly 50 extra people to the first round games, put all 75 people up in a hotel for 2 more days than necessary, and then claim you're losing money. That's 2,400 additional round trip air fares, 3,600 additional hotel room charges, and 14,400 additional meals in restaurants - and that just gets you through the first round. They choose to spend a boatload of money, and that's their prerogative. But don't tell me you're 'losing money' on the women's tournament. That's like congress trying to justify trillion dollar deficits by saying spending's not the problem, we just need more tax revenue.
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Post by bvrbooster on Sept 11, 2021 17:22:13 GMT -8
it costs no more for a team to come to Corvallis for a regular season game than to come here for a tournament game.Your numbers are way off. It's far more expensive for an NCAA tournament game. Plus they do not include any expenses for NCAA personnel, referees, etc., which are considerable. And there is no "payout" - known as units in the men's tournament - in the women's tournament. ' Plane tickets bought the week of the game are almost always much more expensive than those purchased well in advance for a regular-season game. NCAA basketball traveling party is 75 or so. Administrators, pep band, cheerleaders, academic staff, etc. Vising NCAA teams come to town several days before the game, not the day before as in regular-season games. One visiting team then must stay for 3-4 days to play in the regional final, instead of leaving the day of the game. THAT SAID, I'd like to see the NCAA offer the women's tournament as a stand-alone TV bid, instead of lumping the bid together with the hockey, wrestling and volleyball tournaments. Attendance will never match the men's tournament, even with on-campus games to bump the crowds, but it is growing. That traveling party of 75 thing, and arriving several days before the game? That's a significant part of overspending their revenue. It doesn't 'have' to be done, but it is. Seems kind of ludicrous to me to have 48 teams each fly 50 extra people to the first round games, put all 75 people up in a hotel for 2 more days than necessary, and then claim you're losing money. That's 2,400 additional round trip air fares, 3,600 additional hotel room charges, and 14,400 additional meals in restaurants - and that just gets you through the first round. They choose to spend a boatload of money, and that's their prerogative. But don't tell me you're 'losing money' on the women's tournament. That's like congress trying to justify trillion dollar deficits by saying spending's not the problem, we just need more tax revenue. Excuse me - 4,800 additional hotel room charges.
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Post by beaveragain on Sept 11, 2021 18:21:36 GMT -8
Oh, it's an organization....led by a person. Ok, my mistake.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Sept 11, 2021 23:27:41 GMT -8
That traveling party of 75 thing, and arriving several days before the game? That's a significant part of overspending their revenue. It doesn't 'have' to be done, but it is. Seems kind of ludicrous to me to have 48 teams each fly 50 extra people to the first round games, put all 75 people up in a hotel for 2 more days than necessary, and then claim you're losing money. That's 2,400 additional round trip air fares, 3,600 additional hotel room charges, and 14,400 additional meals in restaurants - and that just gets you through the first round. They choose to spend a boatload of money, and that's their prerogative. But don't tell me you're 'losing money' on the women's tournament. That's like congress trying to justify trillion dollar deficits by saying spending's not the problem, we just need more tax revenue. Excuse me - 4,800 additional hotel room charges. They do it for the men. So they have to do it for the women. They deserve pep bands, etc., too.
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Post by sewingbeaver on Sept 12, 2021 7:12:24 GMT -8
It's an organization led by a man. Anyway, sorry for the paywall. Thanks to the group for the excerpt and the discussion.
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Post by bennyskid on Sept 12, 2021 9:44:52 GMT -8
It's an organization led by a man. Anyway, sorry for the paywall. Thanks to the group for the excerpt and the discussion. Right. And men are all sexist, so that must be the problem.
I'd accept that argument if there was any statistical evidence that having a woman in charge makes a causal difference in such things, but the evidence is lacking. This may seem counter-intuitive, because many women-oriented companies are run by women, so the *correlation* between being women-positive and women-led is pretty high. But just putting women in charge of an otherwise neutral organization doesn't seem to change organizational behavior in any observable way. (Of course, the hard-core feminists point to this as proof that sexism is so deeply ingrained in our society that all women are sexist, too.) There are lots of studies on this - both looking at group dynamics and individual behaviors - and just as many theories as to why there isn't a magic path to "gender equity".
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Post by bvrbooster on Sept 12, 2021 10:11:12 GMT -8
Excuse me - 4,800 additional hotel room charges. They do it for the men. So they have to do it for the women. They deserve pep bands, etc., too. Have to disagree on that. If they lumped both the men's and women's tournaments together under one umbrella, the NCAA basketball championships (not championship, singular), as one large, combined event, then both men and women should expect all things to be the same. But they don't, accounting wise; they keep them separate, obviously, or they wouldn't be reporting a $2.9 million loss on the women's tournament. Don't misunderstand me; I agree 100% that the women should get pep bands, etc., on an equal footing simply because it's right and proper. But, if you're going to keep them as separate, then, from the business perspective, you should be addressing the $2.9 million loss and cutting expenses. I just find it disingenuous for the NCAA to whine about a 'loss' on an event that they have designed to be a money loser.
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