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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 31, 2021 23:01:43 GMT -8
I was having a conversation with my brother today about 2020-21 Oregon State basketball season and where it ranks among Beaver athletic accomplishments.
For example, how does the 2020-21 run compare to say the 2018 baseball National Championship? The 2006 or 2007 National Championships? Or say the 2006-2007 National Championships together?
Additionally, how would you compare the 2020-21 run to say the 2020 Great Oregon Civil War in football? Or the 2016 Great Oregon Civil War? (You could still call it that back then.) Or say the Sheraton Hawai'i Bowl or a football season or a part of a football season?
I would personally say that I was more excited about the 2018 National Championship. The North Carolina game and game two against Arkansas together were better than any two games during the 2020-21 run. But I would ultimately consider the 2020-21 run a bigger achievement.
I thought that the first six games of 2012 probably was more exciting than the 2018 National Championship in total. But it is hard to think about 2012 without thinking about how Sean Mannion never should have started against Washington and how the season unraveled thereafter as a result.
The 2008 Rose Bowl run after the 0-2 start was a good one. But the final two games tend to take a lot of the luster away from the previous nine.
I do not know. I was the proudest of being an Oregon State fan since anytime since 2012. And it was probably the best that I have felt at season's end since at least the 2007 Emerald Bowl.
Anyone else have any other thoughts?
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Apr 1, 2021 3:02:51 GMT -8
The baseball championships are right up there, back to back championships have to be the overall winner though. Otherwise, this is probably right up there at number two or three accomplishment of the modern era. Frankly, it's probably a bigger deal than the Fiesta Bowl as far as difficulty to get in. The Fiesta Bowl was one of the top 4/5 Bowl games available to the roughly 120 BCS teams at the time and this was one of the top 4 games available to 350 teams in D1 basketball. It's a big accomplishment.
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Post by bucktoothvarmit on Apr 1, 2021 9:29:28 GMT -8
One of the greatest teams OSU fielded, IMHO, was the 2017 baseball squad. No team in the nation could beat those guys in a three game series.
It took some bull$hit journalism and a blind umpire in Omaha to deny those dudes of a National Championship!
Go Beavs!!
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Post by mountainbeaver on Apr 1, 2021 10:07:38 GMT -8
The top 3 for me are pretty solid. The 2006 baseball team won our first modern championship (post 1970) and that magical run for me is still #1. #2 is the Fiesta Bowl team beating touchdown jesus and exorcising 29 years of demons. Third for me are both the 2017 and 18 baseball teams that certainly belong among the all time greats of college baseball. I think next might be this years basketball team. Simply for pure unexpected joy. Sometimes the best memories come from teams you don’t see coming. And no one saw this team coming in February.
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Post by Judge Smails on Apr 1, 2021 10:12:32 GMT -8
As I mentioned in a previous post, this run was special to me because I think it was the most unlikely. I grouped it with breaking the losing season streak in football.
The 2006 Baseball title and the Fiesta Bowl run are probably my two favorites, but they were both more likely. 2006 baseball was coming off of a WS appearance the prior year and football had made a bowl the previous year. This year's basketball team lost the all-time leading scorer and one of the greatest shot blockers in school history from the prior year. No one thought we even had a chance to make the tourney, yet alone the Elite 8. This team was in the 1980 USA hockey team realm of what nobody thought was possible.
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Post by Werebeaver on Apr 1, 2021 10:16:38 GMT -8
The top 3 for me are pretty solid. The 2006 baseball team won our first modern championship (post 1970) and that magical run for me is still #1. #2 is the Fiesta Bowl team beating touchdown jesus and exorcising 29 years of demons. Third for me are both the 2017 and 18 baseball teams that certainly belong among the all time greats of college baseball. I think next might be this years basketball team. Simply for pure unexpected joy. Sometimes the best memories come from teams you don’t see coming. And no one saw this team coming in February. No love for 2007 CWS champs?
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Post by beavheart on Apr 1, 2021 10:17:30 GMT -8
Hard to beat a National Championship. For me, the baseball championships in 2006-7 and 2018 are the 3 best seasons we've had at OSU, in any sport. Immediately after that is a tie between 2001 Fiesta Bowl team (I think we win a NC that year in the current format of BCS Champion), and this years basketball run. Neither won a NC, but both stand out in OSU history in a big way. In very different ways though. That 2001 football team was, in retrospect, stacked with talent. This years basketball team definitely over-achieved.
The 2012 football season was over after Clownzano took a giant, steaming poo right in the middle of it leading up to the UW game. I think Mannion was hurt already, but the 2nd half of that season just didn't pan out. We weren't the same team after that game.
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Post by beaverstever on Apr 1, 2021 10:34:37 GMT -8
In terms of impact to the university in the eye of the general pubic (I understand not exactly the question asked), I see just being the Fiesta Bowl. The CWS games vs. Arkansas had ~2M viewers, while the Houston game had around ~6M viewers. The Fiesta bowl had a Nielson rating of 10.7, which I believe translates to around 12M viewers (lots belonging to ND fans vs. likely more distributed for March Madness. The thing about baseball though is that because there's a 3 championship legacy this millennium, it comes back into the conversation every year on the college baseball discussion and gets a lot of mileage. So collectively, the 3 championships may be delivering more overall value to the OSU brand. Should OSU make another deep run in March Madness like Loyala Chicago was able to do, then the value really piles on.
For perspective, recall the run Davidson did back in 2008 with Steph Curry? Granted, those highlights have gotten a ton of replay because Steph was so incredible, but that was by far the deepest Davidson ever made it in the tourney (at least since the sixties), yet their brand is easily recognizable as a basket all school still.
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Post by mbabeav on Apr 1, 2021 11:24:23 GMT -8
I gotta go with the back-to-back NC in Baseball, two in a row on a national stage tops the Fiesta Bowl or the WBB team making the Final 4, tho the Fiesta Bowl put OSU back on the sports map after a decade in which we had nothing from the top two sports on the college scene.
But this year's run to the Elite 8 just stands on its own as an iconic event. We may have turned a corner, may well go on a run where we make the tourney regularly, but I doubt that another team is going to come along that defeats 6 different NCAA tourney teams in a row after being picked to finish last in conference. That just doesn't happen.
In football, we were a top 10 team going into the Fiesta Bowl in 2000, in baseball we were a top 16 seed in 5 of our 6 runs to the World Series. In 2021 we were a 3rd Quad team going into the Conference tournament.
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Post by sagebrush on Apr 1, 2021 11:34:20 GMT -8
nothing beats BxB national championships. Then single season national champs. Fiesta Bowl champs. Then pick up the runs that fell a little short.
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Post by Ruh Roh Beav on Apr 1, 2021 12:50:00 GMT -8
For me....the 2017 & 2018 baseball was my favorite.....just such a dominating team. Next would be the Fiesta Bowl year.....then the 06 & 07 baseball squads. This years men’s basketball would be right up there after those since it sorta came out of nowhere.....they had become a great defensive team and it was neat to see different players step up albeit Ethan carried em on a few of those games
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Post by jefframp on Apr 1, 2021 13:35:29 GMT -8
I'm going with the 1942 Rose Bowl victory. You guys are all guilty of "recency bias"! lol
In my lifetime it would be the Fiesta Bowl followed closely by the NCs in baseball. Mainly because I was lucky enough to attend all of those events.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Apr 1, 2021 14:37:54 GMT -8
In terms of impact to the university in the eye of the general pubic (I understand not exactly the question asked), I see just being the Fiesta Bowl. The CWS games vs. Arkansas had ~2M viewers, while the Houston game had around ~6M viewers. The Fiesta bowl had a Nielson rating of 10.7, which I believe translates to around 12M viewers (lots belonging to ND fans vs. likely more distributed for March Madness. The thing about baseball though is that because there's a 3 championship legacy this millennium, it comes back into the conversation every year on the college baseball discussion and gets a lot of mileage. So collectively, the 3 championships may be delivering more overall value to the OSU brand. Should OSU make another deep run in March Madness like Loyala Chicago was able to do, then the value really piles on. For perspective, recall the run Davidson did back in 2008 with Steph Curry? Granted, those highlights have gotten a ton of replay because Steph was so incredible, but that was by far the deepest Davidson ever made it in the tourney (at least since the sixties), yet their brand is easily recognizable as a basket all school still. This is a good analysis and was basically my brother's argument. Houston-Oregon State was watched by approximately 6.315 million viewers. Game 2 of the Championship Series of the 2018 College World Series was watched by approximately 2.16 million viewers. The three-game series against Arkansas was watched by approximately 5.7 million viewers combined. Arguably, the Elite Eight run was a bigger deal than Oregon State's 2018 Championship run in baseball. A 10.7 in 2001 translates into 17.475 million viewers. Oregon State's Sweet Sixteen game drew 5.74 million viewers. Oregon State-Oklahoma State drew 3.59 million viewers. Oregon State-Tennessee drew 1.47 million viewers. Oregon State-Colorado drew 1.16 million viewers. Arguably, in total, Oregon State's seven-game run to end the season was a bigger deal than the singular 2001 Fiesta Bowl, but you could argue that the Fiesta Bowl included the six games previous, the run that put the Beavers in the Fiesta Bowl in the first place.
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Post by qbeaver on Apr 1, 2021 14:50:01 GMT -8
I think it would rank higher if we made the final 4...a shocker to everyone,and if we could have gone to the games. Being there matters. That's when it's most special...when you make a run that no one expects. Hope we can keep the MBB momentum going.
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Post by whocares on Apr 1, 2021 15:41:16 GMT -8
Lots of variables involved when talking viewer numbers, like network footprint, time of day and week of the event, competing programming, market size of the competing team, and even Covid impacts on viewership. Maybe it all balances out, maybe it doesn't. I'll go with the 2018 National championship as my favorite, followed closely by the Fiesta Bowl victory.
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