|
Post by skyrider on Mar 7, 2021 9:00:27 GMT -8
Would like the group's ideas, observations, perceptions, etc. on what the next three years will be like for the women's team.
I think that perhaps the major key to having a real chance at elite 8/national championship is dependent on the improvement of our post players.
When we had Ms. Gulich at her best or Ruth Hamblin at her best, I felt that we had our best opportunity. Even then, there always seemed to be at least two or three teams that were just so superior in talent to our women, that we were really playing at best for 2nd place.
With our current group, I believe the key ingredients for future success are (in order of importance)
(1) High level improvement of Jelena. She has a huge upside but the jury is still out on just how much of that upside will actually happen.
(2) Return of Aleah and Ellie Mack next year
(3) Return to form of Kennedy Brown
(4) Continued improvement of Taylor Jones
(5) Development of Ms. Goforth and/or Ms. Samuel as lock down defenders (in the Gabby Hansen mode)
(6) Possible actual playing time for Ms. Aquino (seems highly unlikely but would love to see her actually get to play)
(7) Continuing improvement of TVO (I put this fairly low on the list, because I think it is sure to happen while some of the other things are much more questionable.
(8) Contributions from incoming freshmen.
The other "intangible" that seems to have been a foundation of our very best teams has been the presence of someone or more than one someone on the team who is a "super" competitor. That is a Jamie Wiesner, a Gabby Hansen,or a Sydney Wiese. Hard to define but so obvious to see.
|
|
|
Post by bvrbooster on Mar 7, 2021 9:31:05 GMT -8
First of all, I think we're going to get better every year. Our 8 or 9 man rotation has some holes right now that will be plugged. Next year, we'll have (hopefully) Aleah, Taylor, Talia, Sasha, Taya, Kennedy, and Greta. That's a solid 7 right there. Jelena should continue to improve, and be a productive 8th person.
I don't think we can match Stanford, but can definitely see us as number 2 in the conference, and number 2 in this conference can make a very deep run in the tournament. I see us as a top ten team making the elite eight 2 of the next 3 years.
|
|
|
Post by sewingbeaver on Mar 7, 2021 9:39:23 GMT -8
Good thoughts. This year, especially since TVO arrived, I've seen the offense move much faster with success. Lots of half court passes and quick baskets (....kinda like Stanford does). I'd love to see more of this with the team. Maybe it isn't what they run all the time, but honing the skill so that they can play that way to mix things up.
|
|
|
Post by skyrider on Mar 7, 2021 9:41:29 GMT -8
Thank you! I would hope that our rotation could go even deeper than 8. I think that both Ellie and Samantha could be integral parts.
|
|
|
Post by believeinthebeavs on Mar 7, 2021 9:52:37 GMT -8
Samantha?
I think this year would have been much different if we didn't have all the postponed, now canceled, games. If we actually get to play regularly, I can see us competitive against anyone.
|
|
|
Post by aicandme on Mar 7, 2021 9:56:42 GMT -8
Would like the group's ideas, observations, perceptions, etc. on what the next three years will be like for the women's team.
I think that perhaps the major key to having a real chance at elite 8/national championship is dependent on the improvement of our post players.
When we had Ms. Gulich at her best or Ruth Hamblin at her best, I felt that we had our best opportunity. Even then, there always seemed to be at least two or three teams that were just so superior in talent to our women, that we were really playing at best for 2nd place.
With our current group, I believe the key ingredients for future success are (in order of importance)
(1) High level improvement of Jelena. She has a huge upside but the jury is still out on just how much of that upside will actually happen.
(2) Return of Aleah and Ellie Mack next year
(3) Return to form of Kennedy Brown
(4) Continued improvement of Taylor Jones
(5) Development of Ms. Goforth and/or Ms. Samuel as lock down defenders (in the Gabby Hansen mode)
(6) Possible actual playing time for Ms. Aquino (seems highly unlikely but would love to see her actually get to play)
(7) Continuing improvement of TVO (I put this fairly low on the list, because I think it is sure to happen while some of the other things are much more questionable.
(8) Contributions from incoming freshmen.
The other "intangible" that seems to have been a foundation of our very best teams has been the presence of someone or more than one someone on the team who is a "super" competitor. That is a Jamie Wiesner, a Gabby Hansen,or a Sydney Wiese. Hard to define but so obvious to see.
Question, is this list order of importance or what you think will happen? You state both.
|
|
|
Post by beaverwbb fan on Mar 7, 2021 9:58:28 GMT -8
I'm cautiously optimistic about the return of Kennedy because ACL recoveries take time. If Ellie and Aleah both return, the depth chart could look something like this: PG: Aleah/Talia SG: Talia/Greta/Jasmine SF: Sasha/Savannah/Greta PF: Taya/Ellie/Kennedy C: Taylor/Kennedy/Jelena
Unless Kennedy has drastically improved her three point shooting, the offense flows much better with Taya or Ellie at the four because both are high-level three point threats. I would like to see Kennedy at the five next year because she gives us a different look - an added three point threat, but we don't lose any defense or rebounding. I know she wants to play the four though.
Greta is somewhat of a Pivec-type player based off of her film. She hits the boards hard, distributes well, competes on both ends, ultimate team player, etc. Greta has a little bit more length and is more comfortable shooting the three. She'll likely be a secondary ball handler like Pivec was in her final two seasons. I'm tempted to think she'll be ahead of Savannah and Jasmine on the depth chart next season and potentially be the first guard off the bench.
Imagine bringing Kennedy, Greta, and Ellie off the bench. That's some serious depth.
|
|
|
Post by skyrider on Mar 7, 2021 10:00:48 GMT -8
Samantha? I think this year would have been much different if we didn't have all the postponed, now canceled, games. If we actually get to play regularly, I can see us competitive against anyone. Sorry, I meant to say "Savannah". Also I still have hopes that Jas will be a more important and valuable component. She seems to have lots of physical talent but not a lot of confidence to use it when she is on the court.
|
|
|
Post by skyrider on Mar 7, 2021 10:02:02 GMT -8
Would like the group's ideas, observations, perceptions, etc. on what the next three years will be like for the women's team.
I think that perhaps the major key to having a real chance at elite 8/national championship is dependent on the improvement of our post players.
When we had Ms. Gulich at her best or Ruth Hamblin at her best, I felt that we had our best opportunity. Even then, there always seemed to be at least two or three teams that were just so superior in talent to our women, that we were really playing at best for 2nd place.
With our current group, I believe the key ingredients for future success are (in order of importance)
(1) High level improvement of Jelena. She has a huge upside but the jury is still out on just how much of that upside will actually happen.
(2) Return of Aleah and Ellie Mack next year
(3) Return to form of Kennedy Brown
(4) Continued improvement of Taylor Jones
(5) Development of Ms. Goforth and/or Ms. Samuel as lock down defenders (in the Gabby Hansen mode)
(6) Possible actual playing time for Ms. Aquino (seems highly unlikely but would love to see her actually get to play)
(7) Continuing improvement of TVO (I put this fairly low on the list, because I think it is sure to happen while some of the other things are much more questionable.
(8) Contributions from incoming freshmen.
The other "intangible" that seems to have been a foundation of our very best teams has been the presence of someone or more than one someone on the team who is a "super" competitor. That is a Jamie Wiesner, a Gabby Hansen,or a Sydney Wiese. Hard to define but so obvious to see.
Question, is this list order of importance or what you think will happen? You state both.
|
|
|
Post by beavsteve on Mar 7, 2021 10:57:37 GMT -8
My biggest concern, relating to what our ceiling is (how far we can advance towards a national championship), was demonstrated in our loss to Stanford: our susceptibility to high-pressure defense from very athletic defenders resulting in turnovers and transition points. What it takes to address this is equivalent athleticism and I don't think any of the potential improvements on the near-term horizon will get us there. Of course, the impact Stanford had with their defense was amplified by our fatigue from previous back-to-back games, so the fairest assessment of our ability to handle this is in a game where both have plenty of prep time and fresh legs... so maybe next season's game at Stanford will provide a clearer assessment, if not another duel with a highly ranked team in this year's NCAA tournament.
|
|
wbosh15
Freshman
Posts: 791
Member is Online
|
Post by wbosh15 on Mar 7, 2021 11:12:45 GMT -8
My biggest concern, relating to what our ceiling is (how far we can advance towards a national championship), was demonstrated in our loss to Stanford: our susceptibility to high-pressure defense from very athletic defenders resulting in turnovers and transition points. What it takes to address this is equivalent athleticism and I don't think any of the potential improvements on the near-term horizon will get us there. Of course, the impact Stanford had with their defense was amplified by our fatigue from previous back-to-back games, so the fairest assessment of our ability to handle this is in a game where both have plenty of prep time and fresh legs... so maybe next season's game at Stanford will provide a clearer assessment, if not another duel with a highly ranked team in this year's NCAA tournament. I’d caution against reading too much into Stanford’s fast break points in that game. There were not a lot that resulted from Oregon State turnovers, instead a ton of them happened after missed shots (oh in a few cases blocks) 1-Fatigue I’m sure played a part in people just not sprinting back as hard as they needed too, not only was this our 3rd strait game, but also our 4th in 6th nights. 2-Cross matches defensively caused an issue here, IE players not always guarding the same player who was guarding them. It takes great communication to handle a team on run outs during cross matches, and communication also will break down with fatigue. Also with K. Brown, I’d caution against declaring her a worse shooter than Taya or even Ellie. She has a good stroke and Scott has said several times he believes her to be a 40% 3 pt shooter. I know she only shot 25% from deep as a freshman, but the next time she plays will be 2 years later. No matter who starts or comes off the bench, that is a really talented place to start with your front court, no matter who ends up starting.
|
|
|
Post by skyrider on Mar 7, 2021 11:13:03 GMT -8
My biggest concern, relating to what our ceiling is (how far we can advance towards a national championship), was demonstrated in our loss to Stanford: our susceptibility to high-pressure defense from very athletic defenders resulting in turnovers and transition points. What it takes to address this is equivalent athleticism and I don't think any of the potential improvements on the near-term horizon will get us there. Of course, the impact Stanford had with their defense was amplified by our fatigue from previous back-to-back games, so the fairest assessment of our ability to handle this is in a game where both have plenty of prep time and fresh legs... so maybe next season's game at Stanford will provide a clearer assessment, if not another duel with a highly ranked team in this year's NCAA tournament. Thank you for your excellent response! I believe one possibility to overcome very athletic defenders is to have a very tall, very talented post player.
Obviously much easier said than done. Still I have hopes that some day it will happen. Ms. Gulich was our best so far and we went quite a long way with her.
Andrea A. may have been the answer, but we will likely never know.
|
|
|
Post by beaveragain on Mar 7, 2021 13:30:37 GMT -8
Jones is an all Pac-12 post as a Sophomore. Not sure how good a post you want her to be before you think she's good enough for the Beav's?
The beginning of the year was a real head scratcher and I have no real understanding of why it took so long for the Beav's to mesh. But currently their major problem is that they don't have a seasons worth of game ready legs. Why people think that Stanford has such athletic players that OSU can't keep up with them. Then UCLA and UO are clumsy losers because we beat them.
My guess is that the obvious point that the team isn't physically got the stamina to keep playing games is going to make the team physical fitness tyro's over the summer to make sure that doesn't happen next season, and that will take care of their major weakness.
For the Beav's to be a truly dominant team they need a rebounding 4 to help Jones on the boards. Can Taya return to her form as a Soph. when she was almost averaging 8 rebounds a game vs this year's almost 4 a game? Of will Kennedy come back fully ready to play? They need one of them to bring OSU to the dominant rebounding team that makes their defense really kick butt.
|
|
|
Post by beavertd on Mar 7, 2021 14:05:12 GMT -8
Post help is coming in the form of Raegan Beers. From ESPN: "Power post with skilled back-to-basket game; reads the defense and finishes plays through contact; defensive presence in the paint with blue-collar persona; provides inside and outside offensive arsenal; mobile in uptempo game." From the scouting reports I've read she is very polished and more college ready than most comparable posts in her class. So you will have a post depth chart of Taylor, Jelena and Raegan all giving you different looks on the court.
I think Scott learned his lesson when he was forced to start Maddie Washington in the post and had only one true post in Joanna Grymek on the roster. The cupboard was pretty bare once Gulich graduated.
|
|
|
Post by beaverwbb fan on Mar 7, 2021 14:11:17 GMT -8
Post help is coming in the form of Raegan Beers. From ESPN: "Power post with skilled back-to-basket game; reads the defense and finishes plays through contact; defensive presence in the paint with blue-collar persona; provides inside and outside offensive arsenal; mobile in uptempo game." From the scouting reports I've read she is very polished and more college ready than most comparable posts in her class. So you will have a post depth chart of Taylor, Jelena and Raegan all giving you different looks on the court. Raegan is not coming next year, but the year after.
|
|