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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 8, 2021 11:10:07 GMT -8
It feels like he's building something. Given that this year was setting up to look like the cupboards were bare, and even worse next year, I'm off that train for now. They were picked last due to what they looked like on paper, and so to finish ahead of half the conference was unexpectedly impressive. Turns out the talent he brought in were much better than they were on paper, and so he gets credit for both finding them and coaching them up. It certainly helps cool his seat when you look around the conference and don't covet many of the coaches over him right now (at least I don't). Enfield, Cronin, and Boyle are the only three that jump out to me as coaches I would take in a heartbeat. Altman is a good coach but I could never bring myself to root for him. Kyle Smith is still new and unproven, and the Hopkins hype has diminished significantly after two terrible seasons. Haase at Stanford seems to be an alright coach, and Krystkowiak can't seem to beat WT so I wouldn't really take him now either. Everyone else I wouldn't necessarily take over Wayne right now either so I agree with you for the most part. Enfield is a recruiting cheater....so, there's that. |
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Post by beaver94 on Mar 8, 2021 11:20:23 GMT -8
It feels like he's building something. Given that this year was setting up to look like the cupboards were bare, and even worse next year, I'm off that train for now. They were picked last due to what they looked like on paper, and so to finish ahead of half the conference was unexpectedly impressive. Turns out the talent he brought in were much better than they were on paper, and so he gets credit for both finding them and coaching them up. It certainly helps cool his seat when you look around the conference and don't covet many of the coaches over him right now (at least I don't). Just wondering how many years does it take to build something? Other than the year the beavs won 5 and another that the team squeaked into the dance we've liter ally been at the same spot - average. The coaches for the last 30 years have had an average of about 5 or 6 years. None of them were able to build anything in that time, so maybe it takes longer than that. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Mar 8, 2021 11:42:58 GMT -8
Not today, check back later. I'm still here. Some are ok with not being good enough to matter (going to the dance) but not being bad enough to be the brunt of the joke (last place). Respond to hawksea, I didn’t ask the question. |
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Post by mbabeav on Mar 8, 2021 12:10:29 GMT -8
Are people still wanting Tinkle fired like they wanted before the season started? Not today, check back later. What time is it? |
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Post by spudbeaver on Mar 8, 2021 14:15:35 GMT -8
Not today, check back later. What time is it? It’s Tinkle Time! (I think) |
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Post by beaverstever on Mar 8, 2021 16:02:05 GMT -8
It feels like he's building something. Given that this year was setting up to look like the cupboards were bare, and even worse next year, I'm off that train for now. They were picked last due to what they looked like on paper, and so to finish ahead of half the conference was unexpectedly impressive. Turns out the talent he brought in were much better than they were on paper, and so he gets credit for both finding them and coaching them up. It certainly helps cool his seat when you look around the conference and don't covet many of the coaches over him right now (at least I don't). Just wondering how many years does it take to build something? Other than the year the beavs won 5 and another that the team squeaked into the dance we've liter ally been at the same spot - average. I agree in general that we should have seen another tourney appearance a couple years ago. Given OSU's support of the program, my current expectations are a dance invite every 4-5 years on average. WT was there last in 2016, so am expecting last year or this year to be back. By that metric, he's not getting it done, and I expected I to feel light-years away this season. Given that it doesn't feel so far away, I'm no longer thinking a change is justified, but do expect a tourney in the next year or two. If you look around the league at teams with our university support level (same ballpark), the results are similar: WSU: last dance = 2008 Utah: last dance = 2016 Cal: last dance = 2016 And more university support: Stanford: last dance = 2014 I'd love to see us have results more like ASU or USC, where they are getting there more often than that. Of course, the UCLA, UO and UA's are getting on a regular basis, but I just believe that OSU does not have the ability to grease the palms needed to make that happen. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 8, 2021 16:33:29 GMT -8
Just wondering how many years does it take to build something? Other than the year the beavs won 5 and another that the team squeaked into the dance we've liter ally been at the same spot - average. I agree in general that we should have seen another tourney appearance a couple years ago. Given OSU's support of the program, my current expectations are a dance invite every 4-5 years on average. WT was there last in 2016, so am expecting last year or this year to be back. By that metric, he's not getting it done, and I expected I to feel light-years away this season. Given that it doesn't feel so far away, I'm no longer thinking a change is justified, but do expect a tourney in the next year or two. If you look around the league at teams with our university support level (same ballpark), the results are similar: WSU: last dance = 2008 Utah: last dance = 2016 Cal: last dance = 2016 And more university support: Stanford: last dance = 2014 I'd love to see us have results more like ASU or USC, where they are getting there more often than that. Of course, the UCLA, UO and UA's are getting on a regular basis, but I just believe that OSU does not have the ability to grease the palms needed to make that happen. Speaking of greasing palms... uo is just coming off NCAA probation, Utah is on probation, and USC and UA are under FBI/NCAA investigation, Washington was under investigation for Markelle Fultz (not sure how or if that ended). I would hope OSU does not want to grease the palms apparently needed to make frequent tournament trips happen. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Mar 8, 2021 16:34:13 GMT -8
One of Enfield's assistants went to jail for paying recruits/players. He is slimy as slimy goes. Almost as unlikeable as Bobby Hurley.
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Post by beaverstever on Mar 8, 2021 18:03:06 GMT -8
I agree in general that we should have seen another tourney appearance a couple years ago. Given OSU's support of the program, my current expectations are a dance invite every 4-5 years on average. WT was there last in 2016, so am expecting last year or this year to be back. By that metric, he's not getting it done, and I expected I to feel light-years away this season. Given that it doesn't feel so far away, I'm no longer thinking a change is justified, but do expect a tourney in the next year or two. If you look around the league at teams with our university support level (same ballpark), the results are similar: WSU: last dance = 2008 Utah: last dance = 2016 Cal: last dance = 2016 And more university support: Stanford: last dance = 2014 I'd love to see us have results more like ASU or USC, where they are getting there more often than that. Of course, the UCLA, UO and UA's are getting on a regular basis, but I just believe that OSU does not have the ability to grease the palms needed to make that happen. Speaking of greasing palms... uo is just coming off NCAA probation, Utah is on probation, and USC and UA are under FBI/NCAA investigation, Washington was under investigation for Markelle Fultz (not sure how or if that ended). I would hope OSU does not want to grease the palms apparently needed to make frequent tournament trips happen. Yea, it's looks like I inferred they should, if they could - not my intention. The sad reality is that big-time recruits generally do not see a scholarship offer as meaningful (particularly since they plan to only stay for a year anyway). Places like tsdtr have some means in gray areas as well, such as jobs at Nike to parents, relatives, etc. OSU makes little sense currently for a one-and-done, and I'm not sure how that could even realistically change, given how things are (outside of the very slimey options). So I expect we will only see first-rounders being at OSU via the development route over at least several years - at best. I'm ok with that - I just realize it means we won't be annual Dance attendees. |
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Post by speakthetruth on Mar 8, 2021 18:58:11 GMT -8
Show me where any of the schools mentioned took a hard hit for breaking the rules. The old saying if you ain't cheating you ain't trying.
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Post by fridaynightlights on Mar 8, 2021 21:33:27 GMT -8
Expectations were so low that this season ended up being a success. However, the true measure of a power 5 programs success is making it to the NCAA tournament. It has been 5 years since WT has taken the Beavs to the big dance. I am willing to give him a year or two more, but eventually he needs to make the NCAAs to keep his job. The question is, was this season a building trend or an aberration.
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