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Post by kersting13 on Feb 21, 2021 0:49:25 GMT -8
There can never be a force play when a fly ball is caught. Here is an example that is often called incorrectly. With runners on first and third with one out, the batter hits a fly ball to the outfield that is caught. The runner on third legally tags and scores, but the runner on first goes half-way and fails to tag. The outfielder throws to first and the throw beats the runner attempting to return to first. The run from third counts, since this is a time play and the run scored before the 3rd out was made at first. When the ball was caught in the outfield, the runner on first is not forced to second, but is free to return to the base. Since a tag at first is not required (the ball must only beat the runner to the bag and be in legal possession of a defensive player), many umpires incorrectly interpret this as a force play and do not score the run. Catching a guy off base on a caught ball is technically an “appeal” play, IIRC. My favorite example of this was in the 2007 CWS. Beavers on 1st and 3rd with one out - ball hit to the gap, OF makes a great diving catch, but the dude at 3rd had tagged. Dude at first was half way around 3rd when he stopped, so he was easily doubled off first. I believe it was Barry Larkin and Orel Hershiser calling the game, and neither of them knew what the proper call was.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 22, 2021 14:17:42 GMT -8
There can never be a force play when a fly ball is caught. Here is an example that is often called incorrectly. With runners on first and third with one out, the batter hits a fly ball to the outfield that is caught. The runner on third legally tags and scores, but the runner on first goes half-way and fails to tag. The outfielder throws to first and the throw beats the runner attempting to return to first. The run from third counts, since this is a time play and the run scored before the 3rd out was made at first. When the ball was caught in the outfield, the runner on first is not forced to second, but is free to return to the base. Since a tag at first is not required (the ball must only beat the runner to the bag and be in legal possession of a defensive player), many umpires incorrectly interpret this as a force play and do not score the run. Catching a guy off base on a caught ball is technically an “appeal” play, IIRC. My favorite example of this was in the 2007 CWS. Beavers on 1st and 3rd with one out - ball hit to the gap, OF makes a great diving catch, but the dude at 3rd had tagged. Dude at first was half way around 3rd when he stopped, so he was easily doubled off first. I believe it was Barry Larkin and Orel Hershiser calling the game, and neither of them knew what the proper call was. Game 1 of the 2007 College World Series? Oregon State up 2-0. Joey Wong beat out a bunt. Mike Lissman singled through the right side to put runners on the corner. Mitchy Slick hit a fly ball to center, which Seth Williams was able to track down. Williams threw to Dustin Ackley (1st Round, #2 overall) to double off Lissman, but Wong scored on the play to put the Beavers up 3-0. The rest of this post has absolutely nothing to do with the foregoing: Ackley led off the second with a base hit but was picked off by Jorge Reyes. He was 0-3 for the remainder of the game with a strikeout. Ackley was a much bigger part of game 2. North Carolina started off game 2 with an HBP, single and single. Ackley just beat a diving Lonnie Lechelt to drive home Reid Fronk, which put North Carolina up 1-0 and left Oregon State behind for the first last and only time in the College World Series. (The Beavers had not been behind for 61 innings leading up to that point.) Ackley wound up stranded at third, when Williams hit a lazy fly ball, which Chris Hopkins hauled in for the third out. The Beavers wiped out the Heels' lead by scoring four runs over the next two innings. In the third, Ackley walked to load the bases with no outs. North Carolina was only able to plate one run on a fielder's choice, Ackley out on the play. (Darwin Barney double-clutched the ball; otherwise, it might have been a double play.) Mike Stutes was induce Tim Fedroff (7th Round, #231 overall) to chase the high heat on an 0-2 count and then induced Williams to fly out to John Wallace (who had to make a long run to make the play) to end the threat. (A team typically scores two or more runs in a bases loaded, no out situation approximately 73% of the time.) Oregon State was able to get the run back in the the top of the fifth, when Wallace drove in Lissman. Ackley homered to right in the bottom half to pull within two again. Ackley came up with two on and two out in the sixth but lined out straight to Wallace to end the inning. In the bottom of the ninth, Ackley hit a sharp ground ball but right at Wong, who made the play. Ackley was converted into a second baseman and would finish sixth in the AL Rookie of the Year balloting in 2011. Ackley's rookie season was his highlight. Major League pitchers quickly adjusted and started striking him out more. In 2015, the Mariners traded Ackley for Ramon Flores and Jose Ramirez. The following season, Ackley suffered a separated shoulder and torn labrum injury, which ended his time in the majors. He played AAA ball the following two seasons. Ackley signed with the Mariners in 2019 but was cut before the season started.
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