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Post by ochobeavo on Jan 13, 2021 14:30:42 GMT -8
I know ratings are down in all sports,but the game Monday was down 27% over the game in 20. The play-offs need a reset or will continue to drop in interest. I don't know if others experience this, but none of my kids really even watch live TV.. like ever. They'll watch youtube videos, stream shows on Netflix or Hulu, but pretty rare that they'll sit down and catch something live. So I think you have changing behaviors plus general Bama/Clemson/Ohio State fatigue from a solid portion of the football watching population = ratings trouble.
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Post by spudbeaver on Jan 13, 2021 16:35:44 GMT -8
No doubt the costs are out of control, I agree. But there are plenty of places to cut costs that will have a whole lot more impact than cutting scholarships. That approach reminds me of the multi-billion dollar company whose first whack at cutting overhead is reducing admin staff overtime! I know some have advocated having some form of salary cap or restrictions on salaries for coaches. My fear is that the elite coaches who are at the college level will move on to the NFL. Would Saban,swinney,Fisher,Shaw,and others stay at the college level if they had a top salary of only 2-3 million dollars a year? Not sure if would even be legal to cap salaries in college football. It is an arms race in college football and out of control financially. Scott Barnes was interviewed a couple months ago,and said the model of college sports is unsustainable. I'm paraphrasing. I don't disagree with that one bit. The drop in scholarships from 85 to 70 would also spread out the talent more so we wouldn't have the same programs be powerhouses going forward. Take 15 kids off the Alabama,Clemson,Oklahoma,LSU rosters and put them on rosters of the lesser teams...things would even out more. Parity... things would even out more. Parity... I think the results would be minimal. I believe the best players want to go somewhere that can give them a chance at getting to the next level. Sure everybody wants to win, but going to the bigs is the real dream for most of these top talent guys. They'll still go to the schools that get them there, (Alabama, Ohio St, LSU, Oklahoma etc.) not UCLA or Arizona State etc.
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Post by qbeaver on Jan 13, 2021 16:42:42 GMT -8
It wasn't that many years ago that the PAC was one of the leading conferences at producing NFL players. Players can make the league from anywhere...currently the PAC is 4th on the list of conferences at producing NFL players. Osu is only three players behind the uo producing NFL players going into the NFL season.
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Post by mbabeav on Jan 13, 2021 17:01:15 GMT -8
No doubt the costs are out of control, I agree. But there are plenty of places to cut costs that will have a whole lot more impact than cutting scholarships. That approach reminds me of the multi-billion dollar company whose first whack at cutting overhead is reducing admin staff overtime! I know some have advocated having some form of salary cap or restrictions on salaries for coaches. My fear is that the elite coaches who are at the college level will move on to the NFL. Would Saban,swinney,Fisher,Shaw,and others stay at the college level if they had a top salary of only 2-3 million dollars a year? Not sure if would even be legal to cap salaries in college football. It is an arms race in college football and out of control financially. Scott Barnes was interviewed a couple months ago,and said the model of college sports is unsustainable. I'm paraphrasing. I don't disagree with that one bit. The drop in scholarships from 85 to 70 would also spread out the talent more so we wouldn't have the same programs be powerhouses going forward. Take 15 kids off the Alabama,Clemson,Oklahoma,LSU rosters and put them on rosters of the lesser teams...things would even out more. Parity... There is only one problem with moving to the NFL - there are a lot of people trying for only a few jobs. Schools would just find a way around any salary cap. Nick Saban makes "only" $2 million in salary, but gets hired by a local tv station for $5 million a year to do a once a week half hour football show - sponsored by whomever.......
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Post by spudbeaver on Jan 13, 2021 18:30:53 GMT -8
It wasn't that many years ago that the PAC was one of the leading conferences at producing NFL players. Players can make the league from anywhere...currently the PAC is 4th on the list of conferences at producing NFL players. Osu is only three players behind the uo producing NFL players going into the NFL season. Yep, of course they can. My son and I are always amazed at how many different and small schools are represented during introductions. Maybe the Pac was a leader, but if so others got better. 2019 Season NFL players from: CONFERENCE PLAYERS ON NFL ROSTERS SEC 339 Big Ten 253 ACC 215 Pac-12 189 Big 12 131 American 100 Mountain West 65 C-USA 59 MAC 46 Independent 35 Sun Belt 21
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Post by ee1990 on Jan 14, 2021 3:09:22 GMT -8
I'm not putting words in ANYONE's mouth, but I'm curious how people who are disinterested because of the lack of parity think a playoff would solve anything? With even 16 teams, Bama destroys BYU, Cinci, and then ND and Ohio St. The only thing this does is punish the best teams and increase the risk of injury. What will people be saying when the next Mac Jones, Devonta Smith and Najee Harris get hurt vs 8-3 Iowa State in the round of 16? This is part of the debate we don't know the answer to. Recruiting is consolidating st the top, partially due to the best kids knowing they have the best chance to play for a NC at a small handful of schools. As I mentioned, Bama, OK, Clemson, and OSU will all likely be starting QBs from Pac 12 country. 5 of the top 10 recruits in the 2020 class were from the Pac 12 footprint, only one stayed in Pac 12. If the Pac 12 was guaranteed their champ played in the tourney, Maybe 1 or 2 more of those kids stay local, depleting the talent at the top. Thus will inevitably happen, so we'll see if that theory bears out. But I do believe adding teams to the tourney will put more teams in play and at least lightly reduce the rich get richer system thst is in place. Yet there's no easier path to the playoff than via the Pac-12. We? have no Clemson, Alabama, Ohio St or even Oklahoma.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Jan 14, 2021 6:33:57 GMT -8
This is part of the debate we don't know the answer to. Recruiting is consolidating st the top, partially due to the best kids knowing they have the best chance to play for a NC at a small handful of schools. As I mentioned, Bama, OK, Clemson, and OSU will all likely be starting QBs from Pac 12 country. 5 of the top 10 recruits in the 2020 class were from the Pac 12 footprint, only one stayed in Pac 12. If the Pac 12 was guaranteed their champ played in the tourney, Maybe 1 or 2 more of those kids stay local, depleting the talent at the top. Thus will inevitably happen, so we'll see if that theory bears out. But I do believe adding teams to the tourney will put more teams in play and at least lightly reduce the rich get richer system thst is in place. Yet there's no easier path to the playoff than via the Pac-12. We? have no Clemson, Alabama, Ohio St or even Oklahoma. Pac 12 intentionally self owns with 9 game conference schedule and smaller conference. 2nd best team in country at end of year was arguably OK, which also plays a 9 game conference schedule. That won't matter when tourney expands to 8.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 14, 2021 11:51:42 GMT -8
It wasn't that many years ago that the PAC was one of the leading conferences at producing NFL players. Players can make the league from anywhere...currently the PAC is 4th on the list of conferences at producing NFL players. Osu is only three players behind the uo producing NFL players going into the NFL season. Yep, of course they can. My son and I are always amazed at how many different and small schools are represented during introductions. Maybe the Pac was a leader, but if so others got better. 2019 Season NFL players from: CONFERENCE PLAYERS ON NFL ROSTERS SEC 339 Big Ten 253 ACC 215 Pac-12 189 Big 12 131 American 100 Mountain West 65 C-USA 59 MAC 46 Independent 35 Sun Belt 21 2020 Numbers: SEC 348 Big Ten 264 ACC 208 Pac-12 195 Big 12 133 American 94 C-USA 75 Mountain West 70 Independent 51 MAC 39 Sun Belt 24
Those numbers are deceptive though, because they are not per team.
Per team Numbers:
SEC 24.9 Big Ten 18.9 Pac-12 16.3 ACC 14.9 Big 12 13.3 American 8.5 Independent 7.3 Mountain West 5.8 C-USA 5.4 MAC 3.3 Sun Belt 2.4
I can't find easy information about rosters before 2018. The last time that the Pac-12 had the most players selected (per team) was 2009. Oregon State had seven picks that year, arguably the most-talented senior class in Beaver history. USC, which picked up its sixth consecutive Pac-10 Championship, had 11 picks.
Pete Carroll left USC after the 2009 season ended. A couple of months later, the Trojans went on probation for two years, and USC has not really ever recovered.
Oregon State had a very talented team in 2014 at least by draft standards, but BDC had chased off Langs, which doomed the season. (USKnee did not help.)
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Post by qbeaver on Jan 14, 2021 13:10:47 GMT -8
This is part of the debate we don't know the answer to. Recruiting is consolidating st the top, partially due to the best kids knowing they have the best chance to play for a NC at a small handful of schools. As I mentioned, Bama, OK, Clemson, and OSU will all likely be starting QBs from Pac 12 country. 5 of the top 10 recruits in the 2020 class were from the Pac 12 footprint, only one stayed in Pac 12. If the Pac 12 was guaranteed their champ played in the tourney, Maybe 1 or 2 more of those kids stay local, depleting the talent at the top. Thus will inevitably happen, so we'll see if that theory bears out. But I do believe adding teams to the tourney will put more teams in play and at least lightly reduce the rich get richer system thst is in place. Yet there's no easier path to the playoff than via the Pac-12. We? have no Clemson, Alabama, Ohio St or even Oklahoma. USC has the talent base in Los Angeles to be good and elite with the right coach leading them really fast. Discipline and toughness was their problem this year imo. When it's said and done,USC will have the top recruiting class in 2021 in the PAC-12. if they finish strong. Top half dozen team in the country. USC has to put the right staff together because they have a lot of high end talent and that will be shown in the draft.
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Post by babeav on Jan 14, 2021 13:48:06 GMT -8
OT......Calvin Tyler entered the transfer portal as a grad transfer today.
USC will be a power when Helton is let go.....till then they recruit well but don’t develop that talent.
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Post by qbeaver on Jan 14, 2021 14:24:38 GMT -8
OT......Calvin Tyler entered the transfer portal as a grad transfer today. USC will be a power when Helton is let go.....till then they recruit well but don’t develop that talent. Ron...USC has lots of talent,even tho their o-line didn't get the push against uo that oregon states line did. With Tufanga,Tuipolotu,Pola-Mao,Jackson,etc and others,the talent is very good. They need a staff that can bring all those athletes together and play as a unit,versus guys just looking to get to the league ASAP. Tyler...fully expected this. There will be several more transfers in the future for osu...guaranteed. Reshaping the roster through the portal...
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Post by seastape on Jan 14, 2021 20:53:18 GMT -8
I know ratings are down in all sports,but the game Monday was down 27% over the game in 20. The play-offs need a reset or will continue to drop in interest. I don't know if others experience this, but none of my kids really even watch live TV.. like ever. They'll watch youtube videos, stream shows on Netflix or Hulu, but pretty rare that they'll sit down and catch something live. So I think you have changing behaviors plus general Bama/Clemson/Ohio State fatigue from a solid portion of the football watching population = ratings trouble. I have an eleven year old who does the exact same thing. No tv, but lots of youtube videos and video games. Just a different screen.
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Post by irimi on Jan 15, 2021 11:26:30 GMT -8
I know ratings are down in all sports,but the game Monday was down 27% over the game in 20. The play-offs need a reset or will continue to drop in interest. I don't know if others experience this, but none of my kids really even watch live TV.. like ever. They'll watch youtube videos, stream shows on Netflix or Hulu, but pretty rare that they'll sit down and catch something live. So I think you have changing behaviors plus general Bama/Clemson/Ohio State fatigue from a solid portion of the football watching population = ratings trouble. Seems to me that the NCAA keeps shooting itself in the foot by having the game at 8pm (EST) on a Monday night. Ridiculous. And while the playoff are interesting, they haven't really changed the field at all. So it's really like it was before when they'd just choose the top two to play. But honestly, I think Covid had a lot to do with it. It has been a messed up year, and it's hard to care about a championship game in a year with an asterisk.
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Post by ochobeavo on Jan 15, 2021 11:45:03 GMT -8
I don't know if others experience this, but none of my kids really even watch live TV.. like ever. They'll watch youtube videos, stream shows on Netflix or Hulu, but pretty rare that they'll sit down and catch something live. So I think you have changing behaviors plus general Bama/Clemson/Ohio State fatigue from a solid portion of the football watching population = ratings trouble. Seems to me that the NCAA keeps shooting itself in the foot by having the game at 8pm (EST) on a Monday night. Ridiculous. And while the playoff are interesting, they haven't really changed the field at all. So it's really like it was before when they'd just choose the top two to play. But honestly, I think Covid had a lot to do with it. It has been a messed up year, and it's hard to care about a championship game in a year with an asterisk.Agreed. In fact, I have a really close friend who (blasphemy) is a life-long duck. I don't think he even watched their bowl game which was pretty surprising to me, but he said just didn't seem legit between COVID (and the way they got there to begin with). Said he tried to get excited for it, but just couldn't...
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 15, 2021 11:55:56 GMT -8
Seems to me that the NCAA keeps shooting itself in the foot by having the game at 8pm (EST) on a Monday night. Ridiculous. And while the playoff are interesting, they haven't really changed the field at all. So it's really like it was before when they'd just choose the top two to play. But honestly, I think Covid had a lot to do with it. It has been a messed up year, and it's hard to care about a championship game in a year with an asterisk.Agreed. In fact, I have a really close friend who (blasphemy) is a life-long duck. I don't think he even watched their bowl game which was pretty surprising to me, but he said just didn't seem legit between COVID (and the way they got there to begin with). Said he tried to get excited for it, but just couldn't... I think that the lack of fans is a huge part of it. The atmosphre is really what makes college football college football. Without it, unless you have a rooting interest, it can be very dull. I also think that the cancellation of the lead-up bowl games took a lot of wind out of the sails of the major bowls. The more bowls you watch, the more you invest and the more advertising that you watch for the later bowls. The bowls all build on each other and without them, there is just not enough momentum.
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