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Post by beaverwbb fan on Nov 16, 2020 6:41:24 GMT -8
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Post by lotrader on Nov 16, 2020 7:09:21 GMT -8
Stanford is ESPN's favorite in the PAC-12 season, yet all the print was devoted to Oregon, Arizona, and UCLA? I love that OSU gets zero respect & zero words in this article. Time to rise up ladies.
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Post by shelby on Nov 16, 2020 7:18:10 GMT -8
I do not see us coming in at 5 ! I think that the PAC will be a tough road for any team this year, and barring injuries, I think the Beavers lineup and the Rueck factor puts us in at least third place. Adiah Barnes is a great coach and she is building a powerhouse at U of Arizona. I am not sure about Close at UCLA , seems like she has the wrong 'personality ( mercurial ), to create sustainable performance. The sucks also have a good coach - but, I am not sure that there is not going to be some early friction due to playing time issues - because, depthwise, everyone on the roster expects to be on the floor all the time Why OSU may finish higher : Defensively , I think we will be better( the size, the quickness and the emphasis, will make everything tighter and more effective ) . Although not quite as deep as UA or uo, we still have the ability to substitute for rest , with little drop off in production - maybe except for Aleah ( not sure about our 3 point shooter options yet ). Offensively- we will be better due to size and ball handling, passing skills . Offensive rebounding will be better because we do not just have to rely on Mikayla ( last year ), to get us second shots or easy put backs . So, if we are better on both ends - even though we are going to be challenged more by the competition , I think we are set to have a very good and surprising year ! Really looking forward to seeing how all of the pieces fit together and contribute !
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Post by alwaysorange on Nov 16, 2020 9:21:17 GMT -8
I do not see us coming in at 5 ! I think that the PAC will be a tough road for any team this year, and barring injuries, I think the Beavers lineup and the Rueck factor puts us in at least third place. Adiah Barnes is a great coach and she is building a powerhouse at U of Arizona. I am not sure about Close at UCLA , seems like she has the wrong 'personality ( mercurial ), to create sustainable performance. The sucks also have a good coach - but, I am not sure that there is not going to be some early friction due to playing time issues - because, depthwise, everyone on the roster expects to be on the floor all the time Why OSU may finish higher : Defensively , I think we will be better( the size, the quickness and the emphasis, will make everything tighter and more effective ) . Although not quite as deep as UA or uo, we still have the ability to substitute for rest , with little drop off in production - maybe except for Aleah ( not sure about our 3 point shooter options yet ). Offensively- we will be better due to size and ball handling, passing skills . Offensive rebounding will be better because we do not just have to rely on Mikayla ( last year ), to get us second shots or easy put backs . So, if we are better on both ends - even though we are going to be challenged more by the competition , I think we are set to have a very good and surprising year ! Really looking forward to seeing how all of the pieces fit together and contribute ! I just don't see us being offensively better with one point guard. There is nobody to replace slocum on the offensive side of the ball on ball handling, passing, or clutch shooting. And who is going to replace pivecs leadership? Somebody going to be the three point sharpshooter like Tudor? Time will tell but it looks to me the beavs better hope Goodman can play 35 minutes a game and avoid injury.
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Nov 16, 2020 9:54:36 GMT -8
I think a fifth place finish is realistic, given the strength of the conference. I will be pleased simply if the season is played to its currently scheduled conclusion.
Both Goforth and Samuel will help with overall team quickness, but this year's squad will be slower and taller than what the Beavs were able to put on the floor last season.
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Post by rmancarl on Nov 16, 2020 10:18:12 GMT -8
I'm going to agree with the Goodman 35 minutes per game comment. The way it looks right now, it looks like we need big minutes from her. I hope in reality we don't need that many minutes from her, but right now it looks like we do.
I don't think there has been a more difficult year than this one in predicting how the Beavs will do. Just a few thoughts:
Best player going into the season---Michaela Onyenwere UCLA---and when you have the best player, backed with talented teammates, it is tough to count you out.
Best One two punch---Aari McDonald and Cate Reese Arizona---Two talents that can help you beat anyone.
Best overall talent---Stanford has talent all over the place. That's a great way to start the season.
Most mysterious group---Nyara Sabally, Sedonna Prince, Talor Mikesell, and a ton of highly rated freshman, along with solid returning players in Boley, Chavez, and Shelly. If the mystery is as good as many duck watchers hope, this group could be scary.
Biggest "I have NO IDEA" group---Probable starting five of Taylor, Taya, Ellie, Aleah, and Sasha for Oregon State is probably about as good as you can expect from a starting group. How will they jell? Can anyone drive to the hoop? Will there 3pt shooting percentage be as good as, or even better than, advertised? Will the backups be solid? I want to think extremely positive for this group, an if all goes right, they could be near the top, but there are a lot of questions that need positive answers. Right now, I'm believing for the best, but we haven't seen this group in action yet.
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Post by 411500 on Nov 16, 2020 10:52:19 GMT -8
rmancarl - - in my view, a pretty solid set of observations on the upcoming PAC season.... I'm with bhf in that I'm just hoping the season actually plays out as the schedule has it... Right now, for me, it's more hope than belief because it's looking like this COVID mess is going to be worse at Christmas than it is now... GO BEAVS!!
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Post by Judge Smails on Nov 16, 2020 18:23:27 GMT -8
I do not see us coming in at 5 ! I think that the PAC will be a tough road for any team this year, and barring injuries, I think the Beavers lineup and the Rueck factor puts us in at least third place. Adiah Barnes is a great coach and she is building a powerhouse at U of Arizona. I am not sure about Close at UCLA , seems like she has the wrong 'personality ( mercurial ), to create sustainable performance. The sucks also have a good coach - but, I am not sure that there is not going to be some early friction due to playing time issues - because, depthwise, everyone on the roster expects to be on the floor all the time Why OSU may finish higher : Defensively , I think we will be better( the size, the quickness and the emphasis, will make everything tighter and more effective ) . Although not quite as deep as UA or uo, we still have the ability to substitute for rest , with little drop off in production - maybe except for Aleah ( not sure about our 3 point shooter options yet ). Offensively- we will be better due to size and ball handling, passing skills . Offensive rebounding will be better because we do not just have to rely on Mikayla ( last year ), to get us second shots or easy put backs . So, if we are better on both ends - even though we are going to be challenged more by the competition , I think we are set to have a very good and surprising year ! Really looking forward to seeing how all of the pieces fit together and contribute ! I just don't see us being offensively better with one point guard. There is nobody to replace slocum on the offensive side of the ball on ball handling, passing, or clutch shooting. And who is going to replace pivecs leadership? Somebody going to be the three point sharpshooter like Tudor? Time will tell but it looks to me the beavs better hope Goodman can play 35 minutes a game and avoid injury. Agree. I especially chuckled at the “we’re going to be better at offensive rebounding because we lost one of the best rebounders in the history of the program” They are going to need a lot of newcomers step up, especially in the backcourt to finish higher than 4th or 5th
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Post by sparty on Nov 16, 2020 18:43:38 GMT -8
So what is everyone thought about playing a full Pac-12 conference schedule instead of skipping teams some years?
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Nov 16, 2020 19:04:00 GMT -8
I wouldn’t mind that. I think it makes it more fair. I forget what team it was, maybe UCLA, but one of the teams had a notably easier schedule than a few of the other teams. Playing the Washington schools twice versus playing the Oregon schools twice can make a huge difference.
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Post by nwhoopfan on Nov 16, 2020 19:13:41 GMT -8
So what is everyone thought about playing a full Pac-12 conference schedule instead of skipping teams some years? I like the full double round robin. Makes crowning a conference champion more meaningful.
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Post by nwhoopfan on Nov 16, 2020 19:15:57 GMT -8
I wouldn’t mind that. I think it makes it more fair. I forget what team it was, maybe UCLA, but one of the teams had a notably easier schedule than a few of the other teams. Playing the Washington schools twice versus playing the Oregon schools twice can make a huge difference. It was UCLA that had a much easier schedule than any of the other top teams in the conference last year. They finished tied w/ Stanford for 2nd, but nobody in their right mind thought they were the 2nd best team in the conference. Honestly Arizona was better I thought, never mind their records.
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Nov 16, 2020 21:43:03 GMT -8
I've never liked the unbalanced schedule. Since it is on a two year cycle the advantage doubles.
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Post by steinlager on Nov 16, 2020 22:12:54 GMT -8
I've never liked the unbalanced schedule. Since it is on a two year cycle the advantage doubles. Play each team once at home and again on the road. Old school.
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Post by bennyskid on Nov 17, 2020 8:33:43 GMT -8
Of course we all like the double-round-robin.
But are we willing to give up four non-conference games? Right now the limit is 31 total games (including tournaments), so our schedule would likely have one tournament (e.g. Maui) and seven non-conference games. For the honor of the Pac, we need to schedule at least a couple strong teams in there, so we're down to 3-4 "tune-up" games. That's pretty brutal, especially when you compare to other conferences that don't play 22 in-conference games and have a couple "rest games" built into the conference schedule.
And are we willing to see conference games before Christmas? Before our bowl game?
And are we willing to watch all the other teams that we're competing against for a hosting spot pile on four easy wins during the holidays while we're battling conference foes? Over those four games, the Pac schools will average two losses apiece. Other conferences will average something close to zero losses. Last year we finished the season ranked #14 and just on the edge of not hosting in the tournament. That year we missed the Bay schools and the Washington schools. Had we played them, we almost certainly would have lost one more game (@stanford). Would we still have hosted? I don't know . . . ten-loss schools don't usually get to host.
Frankly, I don't ever see it happening. The SEC, ACC, and Big14 have too many teams to even consider a double-round-robin, and as long as they stick to 16 (SEC) to 18 (ACC, BIG14) games, we're not going to 22. No major conference plays more than 18. (The WCC and three other minors play 20). I can't imagine the Pac deciding to saddle its members with two extra losses (on average) a year if no other conference does it.
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