bmoc
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Post by bmoc on Aug 5, 2020 19:07:39 GMT -8
I can't imagine Mikayla wearing a "Vote Warnock" shirt to the court. I don't know if she saw something in the organization (WNBA) that she didn't like, but she was wise to step away at this moment until they can rediscover that the game is about the game.
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Aug 5, 2020 19:31:20 GMT -8
Had nothing to do with the WNBA as an organization. Without training camp, she was not going to make the roster, so she sat out for “personal reasons” so that she was able to attend Atlanta Dream’s training camp next season.
It remains her dream to play in the WNBA.
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Aug 5, 2020 19:35:11 GMT -8
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Post by nwhoopfan on Aug 5, 2020 20:14:42 GMT -8
I wonder if players are being given much or any choice in wearing those Warnock shirts? It's definitely not just the Dream, seems to be the whole league.
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Post by beaveragain on Aug 5, 2020 21:07:55 GMT -8
I wonder if players are being given much or any choice in wearing those Warnock shirts? It's definitely not just the Dream, seems to be the whole league. Do you listen to what the players say? Read what they write? No one is making them do anything.
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Post by nwhoopfan on Aug 5, 2020 22:00:32 GMT -8
I wonder if players are being given much or any choice in wearing those Warnock shirts? It's definitely not just the Dream, seems to be the whole league. Do you listen to what the players say? Read what they write? No one is making them do anything. I haven't. There are 12 players per team and 12 teams, that's 144 payers. What are the odds all of them are completely in agreement about this? I believe there is definitely some peer pressure in professional leagues, and probably more in the WNBA than other pro leagues. But I could be wrong.
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Post by nwhoopfan on Aug 5, 2020 22:16:33 GMT -8
How much do the international players care about a Senate race in Georgia? Julie Allemand is a 24 year old rookie from Belgium. She was signed by the Fever in March, not sure when she entered the country. How much does she really know about this situation? There are quite a few international players, this isn't really their fight but I could see them going along with it out of solidarity or not wanting to rock the boat.
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Post by Werebeaver on Aug 6, 2020 6:22:33 GMT -8
I can't imagine Mikayla wearing a "Vote Warnock" shirt to the court. I don't know if she saw something in the organization (WNBA) that she didn't like, but she was wise to step away at this moment until they can rediscover that the game is about the game. I can.
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Post by orangeblood on Aug 6, 2020 6:23:01 GMT -8
Peer pressure can be insidious. Go along, or be ostracized and called racist.
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bmoc
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Post by bmoc on Aug 6, 2020 6:48:25 GMT -8
Oh goodie! I wasn't aware that my original post was political, but then I guess it did have the word "vote" in it. I believe that Mikayla wouldn't just blindly don a t-shirt with a statement to go along with the crowd. I don't think she's that kind of person. I also don't believe that she would call someone that she didn't know a "nut job" just because she didn't agree with their political ideologies. I've had many opportunities to speak with her personally and I've found her to be an extremely intelligent, thoughtful, kind human being. Pivec for President! (maybe that will start a "different" political discussion)
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Post by Werebeaver on Aug 6, 2020 11:41:05 GMT -8
Oh goodie! I wasn't aware that my original post was political, but then I guess it did have the word "vote" in it. I believe that Mikayla wouldn't just blindly don a t-shirt with a statement to go along with the crowd. I don't think she's that kind of person. I also don't believe that she would call someone that she didn't know a "nut job" just because she didn't agree with their political ideologies. I've had many opportunities to speak with her personally and I've found her to be an extremely intelligent, thoughtful, kind human being. Pivec for President! (maybe that will start a "different" political discussion) Anyone who thinks the simple declaration “Black Lives Matter” is something sinister, as Ms Loeffler does, qualifies as a clueless nut-job in my book. If you agree with Loeffler I can’t help you. And I’d bet as an intelligent, educated and aware young woman, Mikayla doesn’t see that simple declaration as threatening or sinister either.
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Post by bvrbooster on Aug 6, 2020 12:53:12 GMT -8
Oh goodie! I wasn't aware that my original post was political, but then I guess it did have the word "vote" in it. I believe that Mikayla wouldn't just blindly don a t-shirt with a statement to go along with the crowd. I don't think she's that kind of person. I also don't believe that she would call someone that she didn't know a "nut job" just because she didn't agree with their political ideologies. I've had many opportunities to speak with her personally and I've found her to be an extremely intelligent, thoughtful, kind human being. Pivec for President! (maybe that will start a "different" political discussion) Anyone who thinks the simple declaration “Black Lives Matter” is something sinister, as Ms Loeffler does, qualifies as a clueless nut-job in my book. If you agree with Loeffler I can’t help you. And I’d bet as an intelligent, educated and aware young woman, Mikayla doesn’t see that simple declaration as threatening or sinister either. I know very little about Senator Loeffler, but "Black Lives Matter" is 2 different things - a simple statement, as you pointed out, and an organization. What I know about the Senator's comments is that she was addressing the league's blanket support of the organization, without in any way disparaging the sentiment behind the statement. She has a point in that some of the founders of the organization are reputed to have a Marxist background. The league's statement in support implied (to my understanding) that all individuals connected with the league (players, coaches, administrators, trainers ...) support the organization. That would be doing a disservice to those who don't agree with all the myriad numbers of political positions the organization has taken and will take going forward. For example, the organization will no doubt be endorsing candidates this November. It might already have announced positions (I have no clue if they have) on things like reparations or defunding the police. You will readily see that supporting the statement and supporting the organization are 2 very different things. Sports leagues do not do endorsement deals with political parties. There is no Democratic Party Staples Center, no Rose Bowl game presented by the GOP, and no, "Libertarian, the official political philosophy of Major League Baseball." Senator Loeffler is right to point out that the league's endorsements on the political side of things should be limited to clearly defined and specific rights and freedoms, and should never go to organizations where leadership changes can result in drastic changes in policies and procedures. (Those old enough might recall that happening with the Student Non-Violent Coordinating Committee and the Black Panther Party back in the 60's.)
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Post by beaveragain on Aug 6, 2020 13:27:12 GMT -8
Anyone who thinks the simple declaration “Black Lives Matter” is something sinister, as Ms Loeffler does, qualifies as a clueless nut-job in my book. If you agree with Loeffler I can’t help you. And I’d bet as an intelligent, educated and aware young woman, Mikayla doesn’t see that simple declaration as threatening or sinister either. Every time I come to this site I see lefties taking shots at conservatives. If you're a FLNJ everyone who doesn't agree with you is a FRNJ. Oh, and racist, don't forget that tired mantra. JFK would be a racist FRNJ today. Regarding BLM the organization, it's an anti-American communist front. Period. It's not debatable. All you have to do is look at their website, read it, and research their "leaders". Or just open your eyes. Among many of its goals is the desire to dissolve the nuclear family - mission already accomplished. I won't bore you with the facts and statistics you'd find offensive. And BTW all the donations are funneled to Act Blue - look that up. $0 money raised has been used to help those it professes to. Not one college scholarship, not one bag of groceries, not one neighborhood cleanup. Bombs away gentlemen! If I'm not here any longer I likely had my my access denied for speaking such blasphemy. "In a time of universal deceit speaking the truth is revolutionary" and in most circles very unpopular. So be it. Censorship by the left is the order of the day. How dare you call me a FLNJ you filthy FRNJ! (whatsa FLNJ and whatsa FRNJ???) "It's not debatable." It becomes very hard to debate with you after you say that, doesn't it?
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Aug 6, 2020 13:39:36 GMT -8
Anyone who thinks the simple declaration “Black Lives Matter” is something sinister, as Ms Loeffler does, qualifies as a clueless nut-job in my book. If you agree with Loeffler I can’t help you. And I’d bet as an intelligent, educated and aware young woman, Mikayla doesn’t see that simple declaration as threatening or sinister either. I know very little about Senator Loeffler, but "Black Lives Matter" is 2 different things - a simple statement, as you pointed out, and an organization. What I know about the Senator's comments is that she was addressing the league's blanket support of the organization, without in any way disparaging the sentiment behind the statement. She has a point in that some of the founders of the organization are reputed to have a Marxist background. The league's statement in support implied (to my understanding) that all individuals connected with the league (players, coaches, administrators, trainers ...) support the organization. That would be doing a disservice to those who don't agree with all the myriad numbers of political positions the organization has taken and will take going forward. For example, the organization will no doubt be endorsing candidates this November. It might already have announced positions (I have no clue if they have) on things like reparations or defunding the police. You will readily see that supporting the statement and supporting the organization are 2 very different things. Sports leagues do not do endorsement deals with political parties. There is no Democratic Party Staples Center, no Rose Bowl game presented by the GOP, and no, "Libertarian, the official political philosophy of Major League Baseball." Senator Loeffler is right to point out that the league's endorsements on the political side of things should be limited to clearly defined and specific rights and freedoms, and should never go to organizations where leadership changes can result in drastic changes in policies and procedures. (Those old enough might recall that happening with the Student Non-Violent Coordinating Committee and the Black Panther Party back in the 60's.) The league dedicated their season to the movement, not the organization. www.nytimes.com/2020/07/09/sports/basketball/kelly-loeffler-atlanta-dream-protests.html“ Senator Kelly Loeffler, Republican of Georgia, is a co-owner of the Atlanta Dream and has been vocally criticizing the Black Lives Matter movement and the league’s embrace of it.”
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Post by Werebeaver on Aug 6, 2020 13:56:06 GMT -8
Anyone who thinks the simple declaration “Black Lives Matter” is something sinister, as Ms Loeffler does, qualifies as a clueless nut-job in my book. If you agree with Loeffler I can’t help you. And I’d bet as an intelligent, educated and aware young woman, Mikayla doesn’t see that simple declaration as threatening or sinister either. Every time I come to this site I see lefties taking shots at conservatives. If you're a FLNJ everyone who doesn't agree with you is a FRNJ. Oh, and racist, don't forget that tired mantra. JFK would be a racist FRNJ today. Regarding BLM the organization, it's an anti-American communist front. Period. It's not debatable. All you have to do is look at their website, read it, and research their "leaders". Or just open your eyes. Among many of its goals is the desire to dissolve the nuclear family - mission already accomplished. I won't bore you with the facts and statistics you'd find offensive. And BTW all the donations are funneled to Act Blue - look that up. $0 money raised has been used to help those it professes to. Not one college scholarship, not one bag of groceries, not one neighborhood cleanup. Bombs away gentlemen! If I'm not here any longer I likely had my my access denied for speaking such blasphemy. "In a time of universal deceit speaking the truth is revolutionary" and in most circles very unpopular. So be it. Censorship by the left is the order of the day. ”Every time”?
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