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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Aug 4, 2020 14:56:13 GMT -8
Yeah - these guys have an OPPORTUNITY to improve their future at no cost to them, they do not have to take it... It's not a RIGHT to play college ball... Really? How many players redshirt with lifelong injuries? >>> Probably a very, very small percentage. Those injuries are addressed before the player leaves school. And the player remains on scholarship even though he can no longer play.
What should be done when it is learned that a player(s) beat their wives, died of a drug overdose, committed suicide and their brains reveal they had significant CTE directly related to playing football? >>>>>Are there cases of college-only players suffering from CTE? Almost all of the cases I've read involve those with long NFL careers. And with improved concussion protocols/awareness, the chances of a college player still playing after 2 or 3 concussions is very, very small. I'm not sure a college can be held responsible for injuries suffered during a lengthy NFL career. When their eligibility is over, those not playing at the next level, are booted out with a degree and a good luck. >>>>>> You mean, just like every other non-athlete is on graduation day? Those non-athletes who probably have significant student loans to pay off, unlike the scholarship athlete?
Does a university not bear some of the responsibility for injuries suffered playing football? >>>>> For injuries suffered while playing in college, certainly. These are addressed. And there is a certain amount of assumed risk in playing football. And the last I checked, thanks to the Affordable Care Act a certain political party wants to eliminate, insurance companies can no longer deny coverage to those with pre-existing conditions.Oh, expect athletes in other conferences join with Pac-12 athletes. Yes, they are shooting high. But that's how negotiations begin. They will accept much less.
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Post by jdogge on Aug 4, 2020 15:54:51 GMT -8
Really? How many players redshirt with lifelong injuries? >>> Probably a very, very small percentage. Those injuries are addressed before the player leaves school. And the player remains on scholarship even though he can no longer play.
What should be done when it is learned that a player(s) beat their wives, died of a drug overdose, committed suicide and their brains reveal they had significant CTE directly related to playing football? >>>>>Are there cases of college-only players suffering from CTE? Almost all of the cases I've read involve those with long NFL careers. And with improved concussion protocols/awareness, the chances of a college player still playing after 2 or 3 concussions is very, very small. I'm not sure a college can be held responsible for injuries suffered during a lengthy NFL career. When their eligibility is over, those not playing at the next level, are booted out with a degree and a good luck. >>>>>> You mean, just like every other non-athlete is on graduation day? Those non-athletes who probably have significant student loans to pay off, unlike the scholarship athlete?
Does a university not bear some of the responsibility for injuries suffered playing football? >>>>> For injuries suffered while playing in college, certainly. These are addressed. And there is a certain amount of assumed risk in playing football. And the last I checked, thanks to the Affordable Care Act a certain political party wants to eliminate, insurance companies can no longer deny coverage to those with pre-existing conditions.Oh, expect athletes in other conferences join with Pac-12 athletes. Yes, they are shooting high. But that's how negotiations begin. They will accept much less. lol
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Post by jdogge on Aug 4, 2020 16:23:35 GMT -8
Really? How many players redshirt with lifelong injuries? >>> Probably a very, very small percentage. Those injuries are addressed before the player leaves school. And the player remains on scholarship even though he can no longer play.
What should be done when it is learned that a player(s) beat their wives, died of a drug overdose, committed suicide and their brains reveal they had significant CTE directly related to playing football? >>>>>Are there cases of college-only players suffering from CTE? Almost all of the cases I've read involve those with long NFL careers. And with improved concussion protocols/awareness, the chances of a college player still playing after 2 or 3 concussions is very, very small. I'm not sure a college can be held responsible for injuries suffered during a lengthy NFL career. When their eligibility is over, those not playing at the next level, are booted out with a degree and a good luck. >>>>>> You mean, just like every other non-athlete is on graduation day? Those non-athletes who probably have significant student loans to pay off, unlike the scholarship athlete?
Does a university not bear some of the responsibility for injuries suffered playing football? >>>>> For injuries suffered while playing in college, certainly. These are addressed. And there is a certain amount of assumed risk in playing football. And the last I checked, thanks to the Affordable Care Act a certain political party wants to eliminate, insurance companies can no longer deny coverage to those with pre-existing conditions.Oh, expect athletes in other conferences join with Pac-12 athletes. Yes, they are shooting high. But that's how negotiations begin. They will accept much less. CTE in college athletes. Here. Look, I get it. You don't want things to change. You probably went on a week-long bender when MLB ended the Reserve Clause. But things are going to change. It started with O'Bannon. Last October's decision on image rights was a clarion call. What the athletes have demanded is the next logical step. Unionization comes next. Then college athletics die, to be replaced with semi-pro leagues much like MiLB today.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 4, 2020 17:03:19 GMT -8
CTE in college athletes. Here. Look, I get it. You don't want things to change. You probably went on a week-long bender when MLB ended the Reserve Clause. But things are going to change. It started with O'Bannon. Last October's decision on image rights was a clarion call. What the athletes have demanded is the next logical step. Unionization comes next. Then college athletics die, to be replaced with semi-pro leagues much like MiLB today. Having semi-pro leagues in football would probably not kill college football at all, heck, it might improve it. You'd have genuine student athletes playing.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Aug 4, 2020 17:58:10 GMT -8
CTE in college athletes. Here. Look, I get it. You don't want things to change. You probably went on a week-long bender when MLB ended the Reserve Clause. But things are going to change. It started with O'Bannon. Last October's decision on image rights was a clarion call. What the athletes have demanded is the next logical step. Unionization comes next. Then college athletics die, to be replaced with semi-pro leagues much like MiLB today. Having semi-pro leagues in football would probably not kill college football at all, heck, it might improve it. You'd have genuine student athletes playing. If there was an NFL D league that kids could opt for instead of college, IMO it would not only do well (better than XFL type leagues), it would change college football from a billion dollar industry to a million dollar real quick. Again, just my opinion.
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Post by spudbeaver on Aug 4, 2020 17:58:25 GMT -8
The classic retort to well thought out, fact backed answers...
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Post by spudbeaver on Aug 4, 2020 18:00:53 GMT -8
CTE in college athletes. Here. Look, I get it. You don't want things to change. You probably went on a week-long bender when MLB ended the Reserve Clause. But things are going to change. It started with O'Bannon. Last October's decision on image rights was a clarion call. What the athletes have demanded is the next logical step. Unionization comes next. Then college athletics die, to be replaced with semi-pro leagues much like MiLB today. You lost me when mine popped up to Bubba Smith, Earl Morral, and Ken Stabler. Key word? Only.
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Post by spudbeaver on Aug 4, 2020 18:01:53 GMT -8
CTE in college athletes. Here. Look, I get it. You don't want things to change. You probably went on a week-long bender when MLB ended the Reserve Clause. But things are going to change. It started with O'Bannon. Last October's decision on image rights was a clarion call. What the athletes have demanded is the next logical step. Unionization comes next. Then college athletics die, to be replaced with semi-pro leagues much like MiLB today. Having semi-pro leagues in football would probably not kill college football at all, heck, it might improve it. You'd have genuine student athletes playing. Right! My earlier point as well! Bring it on!
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Aug 4, 2020 18:31:25 GMT -8
You probably went on a week-long bender when MLB ended the Reserve Clause.
MLB did not end the reserve clause. An arbitration panel did, by a 2-1 vote, freeing up Dave McNally and Andy Messersmith to sign with the team of their choice after not signing a contract the previous year and then playing out their options, without a contract.
Comparing a 1972 MLB baseball player, who had no rights as an employee and could not decide by himself where he wanted to play, either as an amateur subject to the draft or as a player bound to a team in perpetuity once he signed, to a 2020 college football player, who can choose where he wants to play, and can elect to transfer to the school of his choice at any time if his first choice does not work out, is ludicrous.
PS: MILB is a professional organization. Not semi-pro.
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Post by sparty on Aug 4, 2020 18:32:52 GMT -8
Should the cheer leaders offer a list of demands. Free hair care for five years after graduation as an example.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 4, 2020 19:40:54 GMT -8
The classic retort to well thought out, fact backed answers... There are classic retorts, then there are the classiest of all time...
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Post by jdogge on Aug 4, 2020 20:58:53 GMT -8
The classic retort to well thought out, fact backed answers... It was a knee-jerk retort. I wanted to find the article.
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Post by jdogge on Aug 4, 2020 21:03:18 GMT -8
You probably went on a week-long bender when MLB ended the Reserve Clause.
MLB did not end the reserve clause. An arbitration panel did, by a 2-1 vote, freeing up Dave McNally and Andy Messersmith to sign with the team of their choice after not signing a contract the previous year and then playing out their options, without a contract. Comparing a 1972 MLB baseball player, who had no rights as an employee and could not decide by himself where he wanted to play, either as an amateur subject to the draft or as a player bound to a team in perpetuity once he signed, to a 2020 college football player, who can choose where he wants to play, and can elect to transfer to the school of his choice at any time if his first choice does not work out, is ludicrous. PS: MILB is a professional organization. Not semi-pro. "MLB did not end the reserve clause. An arbitration panel did, by a 2-1 vote ..." Ok, Cliff Clayven, but here's the deal --- arbitration isn't mandatory unless agreed to by both parties. So, yes, MLB ended the reserve clause. I can see that still hurts. "MILB is a professional organization. Not semi-pro" You haven't watched many A (Short Season) games, have you?
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Post by beaverstever on Aug 4, 2020 22:14:25 GMT -8
They certainly have an argument - particularly football players, and collectively leverage. Those sports subsidize the rest of the athletic program, which could ultimately what gets sacrificed here.
Lets be honest, tuition and board aren't highly valued by a lot of these kids, nor is their degrees in the real world ... most of the degrees a lot of these players get just aren't worth a whole lot. And their risk of life-long injury, even if just nagging, can derail a lot of their work prospects down the road. They have the opportunity to earn a more lucrative degrees, but realistically they aren't in reach for many of them, particularly while being a full-time athlete. I hardly blame them for trying to leverage where they can.
Timing seems curious though - with college sports still very much at risk of even happing and universities having huge budget gaps, the admin might welcome a reset button option.
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Post by lebaneaver on Aug 4, 2020 23:45:24 GMT -8
They certainly have an argument - particularly football players, and collectively leverage. Those sports subsidize the rest of the athletic program, which could ultimately what gets sacrificed here. Lets be honest, tuition and board aren't highly valued by a lot of these kids, nor is their degrees in the real world ... most of the degrees a lot of these players get just aren't worth a whole lot. And their risk of life-long injury, even if just nagging, can derail a lot of their work prospects down the road. They have the opportunity to earn a more lucrative degrees, but realistically they aren't in reach for many of them, particularly while being a full-time athlete. I hardly blame them for trying to leverage where they can. Timing seems curious though - with college sports still very much at risk of even happing and universities having huge budget gaps, the admin might welcome a reset button option. “A reset.” Sounds good to me.
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