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Post by mbabeav on Aug 3, 2020 15:43:10 GMT -8
They’ll change if there aren’t players coming out of colleges. The NFL has had it pretty good with no minor league system. Well, more than any other sport IMO, the gap between an 18 year old just out of high school, and the 22 year old ready to go pro is too big to jump. 4 years of weights, proper nutrition, coaching, weights, body maturity, weights and the practice have no substitute. I can only think of a few players who might have come right out of high school to play pro ball. Meanwhile they could do the baseball route and play 6 months at what the minors in baseball play every year. Maybe a few move up faster, but there is no comparison to what they get going to college. It's not even close.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Aug 3, 2020 16:11:02 GMT -8
They’ll change if there aren’t players coming out of colleges. The NFL has had it pretty good with no minor league system. Well, more than any other sport IMO, the gap between an 18 year old just out of high school, and the 22 year old ready to go pro is too big to jump. 4 years of weights, proper nutrition, coaching, weights, body maturity, weights and the practice have no substitute. I can only think of a few players who might have come right out of high school to play pro ball. Exactly. They are getting free on-the-job training for professional football, while getting an education that could cost upwards of about 200-300K on the open market, depending on your school of choice. Doesn't sound like exploitation to me.
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Post by ee1990 on Aug 3, 2020 18:34:33 GMT -8
At the end of the day, nobody is going to watch professional minor league football compared to college football as we know(knew? :sadface:) it. They are effectively asking for the dissolution of the amateur student athlete. If they care about their safety and bottom line, they should be focused on something more akin to a pension and post *graduation* benefits. IF you graduate, perhaps you get a slice of the NCAA licensing pie.
I pull for OREGON STATE, not the Willamette Valley F2 Steelhead minor league team.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2020 0:20:01 GMT -8
I pull for OREGON STATE, not the Willamette Valley F2 Steelhead minor league team. I'd watch them over any NFL team at this point. Screw that garbage.
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Post by irimi on Aug 4, 2020 5:48:44 GMT -8
Instead of Monday night, Thursday night, and all day and night Sunday, gimme the Stealheads!
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Post by Judge Smails on Aug 4, 2020 7:32:18 GMT -8
Instead of Monday night, Thursday night, and all day and night Sunday, gimme the Stealheads! I think Simi Kuli plays for them.
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Post by TheGlove on Aug 4, 2020 8:41:02 GMT -8
Instead of Monday night, Thursday night, and all day and night Sunday, gimme the Stealheads! I think Simi Kuli Alex Lemon plays for them. AL is the SK. HTH.
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Post by beaverdave on Aug 4, 2020 9:53:55 GMT -8
Tuition, fees, books, room and board, and god only knows what under the table things plus a degree if you choose to work at it, is not bad for a teenage part time job. That is beau coup money. Shut up and go to work. AND, you get to keep playing football. I'd be surprised if anyone who played in high school doesn't know what I mean. That last game your senior year is the last time you will ever play football. It's a gift to be able to play on at a higher level that I'd give a lot to have that opportunity back when I was 19.
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Post by spudbeaver on Aug 4, 2020 10:06:05 GMT -8
An earlier post by Hawksea touched on it already. For many years I've had an idea for a minor league football program. Face it, not every kid is cut out for college. That shouldn't be an automatic dead-end for their career aspirations. Plus it would eliminate the problems that are created by under and non-performing student athletes. The NFL has plenty of resources to fund the league. The athletes would basically have a 2 year "tryout" period to make the bigs. They could live in dorm like apartments, have their meals furnished, and even be paid a small amount for expenses, say $12,000/year. They could take real-life classes to at least prepare them for life after the majority of them wash out. The NFL wouldn't want to do this because now the colleges and universities do it for them, free of charge. There would have to be some major give by them to make anything of the sort work.
In a strange way, this new "rebellion" could be the path to the majority of colleges and universities getting out of the financial strain of athletics, and put an end to the have nots trying to compete in the arms race that has been created. Earlier posts mentioned the bidding wars that would probably take place while recruiting. While it would lead to an unfortunate demise in Oregon State football and other dependent sports, it would basically lead to privately funded programs. Boosters would once again roam the country paying for the services of the best athletes. Sure, there would only be about 20-25 teams able to compete. It would be sad for most fans like myself, but school Presidents would probably love it! Maybe at some point it would come full circle. Following years of failures associated with paying kids that weren't prepared for all that brings, perhaps another revolution would bring back college sports in its simplest and originally intended form. Schools like Oregon St could once again have a football team, and select other sports. I do like the cap on facility spending that is proposed. Specifications on areas, amenities, tutors, dedicated buildings, etc. A standardized facility so to speak, like Drunkandstoopid pointed out. Interesting, and less painful than the privatization of college football and probably basketball.
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Post by lebaneaver on Aug 4, 2020 10:58:23 GMT -8
One thing is for certain; It’s not going to be like it has been. Looking at the exponential COST of NCAA football.....if a school desires to be even competitive..... should make that point very clear. It’s sad that it really has gotten out of hand.
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Post by jdogge on Aug 4, 2020 11:00:37 GMT -8
That column pretty much sums up my feelings. If you feel exploited, then don't play. Yeah - these guys have an OPPORTUNITY to improve their future at no cost to them, they do not have to take it... It's not a RIGHT to play college ball... Really? How many players redshirt with lifelong injuries? What should be done when it is learned that a player(s) beat their wives, died of a drug overdose, committed suicide and their brains reveal they had significant CTE directly related to playing football? When their eligibility is over, those not playing at the next level, are booted out with a degree and a good luck. Does a university not bear some of the responsibility for injuries suffered playing football? Oh, expect athletes in other conferences join with Pac-12 athletes. Yes, they are shooting high. But that's how negotiations begin. They will accept much less.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Aug 4, 2020 11:35:39 GMT -8
When their eligibility is over, those not playing at the next level, are booted out with a degree and a good luck.
You mean, just like every other non-athlete is on graduation day? Who probably has student loans to pay off?
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Post by EOBeav on Aug 4, 2020 11:46:31 GMT -8
But free health care until they are 28? Seriously? This actually seems like the more reasonable of their demands.
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Post by jdogge on Aug 4, 2020 11:56:44 GMT -8
When their eligibility is over, those not playing at the next level, are booted out with a degree and a good luck.You mean, just like every other non-athlete is on graduation day? Who probably has student loans to pay off? With long term injuries or disabling conditions resulting from football -- which would not be covered by a future health insurance policy because it/they would be pre-existing. So not like every other graduate. Rather than cherry pick statements to fit your desired narrative, perhaps you might address my entire post?
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Post by beaversproud on Aug 4, 2020 14:43:19 GMT -8
When their eligibility is over, those not playing at the next level, are booted out with a degree and a good luck.You mean, just like every other non-athlete is on graduation day? Who probably has student loans to pay off? With long term injuries or disabling conditions resulting from football -- which would not be covered by a future health insurance policy because it/they would be pre-existing. So not like every other graduate. Rather than cherry pick statements to fit your desired narrative, perhaps you might address my entire post? That is a incorrect statement. Thanks to the Affordable Care Act insurance has to cover it. www.hhs.gov/answers/affordable-care-act/can-i-get-coverage-if-i-have-a-pre-existing-condition/index.html#:~:text=Yes.,that%20new%20health%20coverage%20starts.&text=They%20don't%20have%20to%20cover%20pre%2Dexisting%20conditions. I would also like to point out, athletes know what they are signing up for (or they should at the least). I would suspect no one who plays sports thinks they'll come out scratch free. Certainly if they look at concussion research (as they should) they ABSOLUTELY know they could come out worse for the wear.
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