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Post by sagebrush on Jul 20, 2020 14:04:39 GMT -8
Are burgers and dogs sandwiches? Meat, veggies, condiments. You got your baloney, Ruebens, turkey, etc and they are sandwiches. Burgers and dogs are the same. Bread and meat. You can load up a burger. A dog, bun, mustard, maybe some relish. Especially if its a brat. Seems like a sandwich to me.
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Post by irimi on Jul 20, 2020 14:18:44 GMT -8
Are burgers and dogs sandwiches? Meat, veggies, condiments. You got your baloney, Ruebens, turkey, etc and they are sandwiches. Burgers and dogs are the same. Bread and meat. You can load up a burger. A dog, bun, mustard, maybe some relish. Especially if its a brat. Seems like a sandwich to me. I’m with Mrs. Sage on this one. But I can’t explain why. Your logic is sound and is supported by the definition of “sandwich.” But a dog is a dog, and a burger is a burger. Google search sandwich images and you’ll see a dazzling array of sandwich types, but not a burger or a hotdog. Somehow they fell into their own niche.
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Post by lebaneaver on Jul 20, 2020 14:49:32 GMT -8
Hell no! A sammich is a sammich.... a dog, a dog, etc., got it? You lose
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Post by rutabaga on Jul 20, 2020 15:20:17 GMT -8
Technically, a sandwich means bread. Isn't that the story, the Earl of Sandwich wanted some meat between slices of bread to eat so he didn't have to leave the gaming tables? Maybe not.
So, if it is on a bun, it is a hoagie or a sub if it is sliced meat or meatballs. If it is a hot dog, a brat, a burger, it is in a specific kind of bun.
Although, pulled pork sandwiches are on buns.........
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Post by Werebeaver on Jul 20, 2020 16:16:20 GMT -8
Are burgers and dogs sandwiches? Meat, veggies, condiments. You got your baloney, Ruebens, turkey, etc and they are sandwiches. Burgers and dogs are the same. Bread and meat. You can load up a burger. A dog, bun, mustard, maybe some relish. Especially if its a brat. Seems like a sandwich to me. With all due respect, I'm not sure this board is a great place "settle" any argument. About anything . But I admire your optimism.
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Post by osuft3 on Jul 20, 2020 16:27:27 GMT -8
Sometimes a panini is just a panini.
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Post by beaverdude on Jul 21, 2020 5:55:44 GMT -8
Are burgers and dogs sandwiches? Meat, veggies, condiments. You got your baloney, Ruebens, turkey, etc and they are sandwiches. Burgers and dogs are the same. Bread and meat. You can load up a burger. A dog, bun, mustard, maybe some relish. Especially if its a brat. Seems like a sandwich to me. I worked at McDonald's while in High School and they called their burgers sandwiches. Meatloaf is a essentially giant hamburger, cut off a slice put it on bread and its a sandwich.
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Post by seastape on Jul 21, 2020 7:38:21 GMT -8
I'm in the "not a sandwich" camp...and I don't know why. Bread, meat, veggies, condiments, maybe cheese...sounds like a sandwich. The heat doesn't matter; plenty of sandwiches are cooked (grilled cheese, hot pastrami on rye...yum! Is it me, or is rye bread starting to disappear?). How about a nice steak sandwich? The only difference between that and a burger is that the meat is ground in the burger. But the steak sandwich is a sandwich.
But burgers and dogs are not. A lot of restaurants have their burgers and dogs in a separate part of the menu from their sandwiches. I don't know if that means anything.
What about an open-faced turkey or roast beef sandwich? Meat, mashed potatoes, gravy. Bread underneath. Those seem like less of a sandwich than a burger or a dog. They're more like a meal with a roll than a sandwich, like biscuits and gravy or chicken fried steak. But they get to be called sandwiches. I think burgers and dogs deserve the sandwich title more than open-faced "sandwiches."
But maybe burgers and dogs don't want to be labeled as sandwiches, maybe they are above that. Or maybe that's the way burger and dog joints have have decided to market their product: as something more than just a sandwich. Gad...it's mind control. I now realize that I am just another victim of marketing.
Thanks a lot, Sage!
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Post by atownbeaver on Jul 21, 2020 7:43:44 GMT -8
Are burgers and dogs sandwiches? Meat, veggies, condiments. You got your baloney, Ruebens, turkey, etc and they are sandwiches. Burgers and dogs are the same. Bread and meat. You can load up a burger. A dog, bun, mustard, maybe some relish. Especially if its a brat. Seems like a sandwich to me. It is all a party of the large family tree of sandwich, yes, burgers and dogs are sandwiches, but they are their own branch of the larger world of sandwich. Because even under both branches of "burger" and "hot dog" you have even more iterations. Just like how a Labrador and a pug are both dogs, A turkey club, a burger, a hot dog, are all sandwiches.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jul 21, 2020 14:15:35 GMT -8
How often do you see restaurants with chicken burgers? Most of them call them sandwiches, only thing different is the meat. If there's bread involved, it's a sandwich of sorts. Chicken Sandwich Images
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Post by seastape on Jul 22, 2020 11:22:11 GMT -8
Technically, a sandwich means bread. Isn't that the story, the Earl of Sandwich wanted some meat between slices of bread to eat so he didn't have to leave the gaming tables? Maybe not. So, if it is on a bun, it is a hoagie or a sub if it is sliced meat or meatballs. If it is a hot dog, a brat, a burger, it is in a specific kind of bun. Although, pulled pork sandwiches are on buns......... That is awesome.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jul 23, 2020 13:20:26 GMT -8
Are burgers and dogs sandwiches? Meat, veggies, condiments. You got your baloney, Ruebens, turkey, etc and they are sandwiches. Burgers and dogs are the same. Bread and meat. You can load up a burger. A dog, bun, mustard, maybe some relish. Especially if its a brat. Seems like a sandwich to me. Sandwiches were named after John Mantagu (1718-1792), the Fourth Earl of Sandwich. The story goes that he was a gambler, who wanted meat between two slices of bread, so he would not have to leave the table. John Mantagu was a gambler but also enjoyed playing cards in a non-gambling setting. He also was a very industrious worker and often ate meals at his desk. It seems that he was so fond of eating bread and meat in between two slices of bread that everyone in his circle started to refer to the manner of eating bread and meat in this manner as a sandwich. This was true as of 1765, when the Earl of Sandwich was 47/48. By that time, he has already helped negotiate the 1748 treaty of Aachen (England traded Madras for Louisbourg, which it would recapture and hold beginning in 1758, and received an unspecified payment from Spain, which ultimately amounted to £10,000, pursuant to the Treaty of Madrid), served two spells as First Lord of the Admiralty (basically, the Secretary of the Navy), and Secretary of State for the Northern Department. In this context, North refers to Northern (Protestant) Europe, as opposed to Southern (Catholic and Muslim) Europe. The Northern Secretary of State was subservient to the Southern Secretary of State, whose work was viewed as more important. As the English originally used the word, a sandwich is made from bread sliced from a loaf. This is the original meaning in the Australia, as well. Outside of America, a burger refers to the type of meat. If you order a burger, you may get just the meat. A burger on a split roll is a burger but not a sandwich outside of America. A hot dog is similar. Outside of America, a hot dog is a method of serving meat. In England, if you order a hot dog, you get a version of sausage in some kind of roll, but it is usually not what you envision a hot dog is in America. In American parlance, a sandwich typically does not need to be made from a larger loaf of bread. It can be made from a "split roll." Thus, in America, according to the definition, burgers and hot dogs, served in a split roll, are "sandwiches." In Australian and English parlance, there is a difference and neither a burger nor a hot dog is a "sandwich." My answer to you is "yes," both hamburgers and hot dogs in a split roll are "sandwiches" according to the American definition of the word. Outside of America, it gets murkier.
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