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Post by ricke71 on Jun 26, 2020 15:37:15 GMT -8
great idea. Hopefully a better name is in the offing. Battle of Oregon is a lot more accurate than a name that is tied to a historical event with NO Relevance to Oregon, OSU or UO.
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Post by Werebeaver on Jun 26, 2020 15:54:28 GMT -8
One of the problems with a new rivalry name is that in nature, Ducks and Beavers generally live and let live. The Beavers are even gracious enough to construct large bodies of water for ducks to do their thing in. Not sure what the Ducks contribute in return.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jun 26, 2020 15:58:34 GMT -8
"Changing this name is overdue as it represents a connection to a war fought to perpetuate slavery," I don't like the change and I really don't like this line. Seems to me that's a bad way to look at it, I've always thought of the Civil War as a war to end slavery. That's on top of the fact that there's no real connection between the athletic rivalry and the American Civil War. I completely agree. I'm not the best Historian but to summarize... Lincoln wins the Presidential office on the pledge to expand free slaves to all states in the Union and the war starts after the Confederate Army fires on a Federal Garrison at Fort Sumter. There are obviously 2 sides to the war... but the winning side was fighting to abolish Slavery... why look at it only from the side of the Confederates who had succeeded from the union and were fighting to maintain slavery? Bizarre to me. I agree to outsiders the connection was unclear, but I believe the name stuck because do to how close the two schools are... these games divide homes, families, workplaces and to some friends. Much like the actual Civil War divided homes, families, workplaces and to some friends. I'm not trying to defend our rivalry being called the Civil War, it wasn't my idea to use that name... I'm not that old I just wish highly paid school administrators would give a more comprehensive nod to History. Maybe we sell the rights to name the rivalry and pay down some debt? My great-great-great-great grandfather was Warren Murphy McGuire, a first generation Canadian immigrant, who fought for Maine, during the Civil War. He died so that all men could be free. His boy, George Wesley McGuire, my great-great-great grandfather, was three when Warren died. He grew up being raised by another man, because of Warren's ultimate sacrifice. And that is what the Civil War was about a War for Freedom. It was not a War for Slavery. That is looking at it from the exact wrong direction. That is like a five-year-old's interpretation of the Civil War. To change the name of the Civil War to something else for the reasons stated by President Ray is to say that Warren Murphy McGuire died for something that should be forgotten. It is to remove Warren's sacrifice from the history books. Even if history is not something to be proud of, it is still history. It still happened. To ignore history, to remove it, to delete it, to try and sweep it under the rug is wrong, wrong in every way that something can be wrong. It is to sanitize the country, to make this country something that it is not, which is perfect. No one is perfect. The country is not perfect, never was. To paraphrase a great American Patriot, Commodore Stephen Decatur Jr.'s famous toast, may our country "always be in the right, and always successful, right or wrong." President Ray is no Commodore Decatur. President Ray is Benedict Arnold. You have stolen something that I have always been proud of President Ray and corrupted, tried to make it ugly, when it is not. This is intolerable. This cannot be allowed to stand.
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Post by Werebeaver on Jun 26, 2020 16:05:08 GMT -8
I completely agree. I'm not the best Historian but to summarize... Lincoln wins the Presidential office on the pledge to expand free slaves to all states in the Union and the war starts after the Confederate Army fires on a Federal Garrison at Fort Sumter. There are obviously 2 sides to the war... but the winning side was fighting to abolish Slavery... why look at it only from the side of the Confederates who had succeeded from the union and were fighting to maintain slavery? Bizarre to me. I agree to outsiders the connection was unclear, but I believe the name stuck because do to how close the two schools are... these games divide homes, families, workplaces and to some friends. Much like the actual Civil War divided homes, families, workplaces and to some friends. I'm not trying to defend our rivalry being called the Civil War, it wasn't my idea to use that name... I'm not that old I just wish highly paid school administrators would give a more comprehensive nod to History. Maybe we sell the rights to name the rivalry and pay down some debt? My great-great-great-great grandfather was Warren Murphy McGuire, a first generation Canadian immigrant, who fought for Maine, during the Civil War. He died so that all men could be free. His boy, George Wesley McGuire, my great-great-great grandfather, was three when Warren died. He grew up being raised by another man, because of Warren's ultimate sacrifice. And that is what the Civil War was about a War for Freedom. It was not a War for Slavery. That is looking at it from the exact wrong direction. That is like a five-year-old's interpretation of the Civil War. To change the name of the Civil War to something else for the reasons stated by President Ray is to say that Warren Murphy McGuire died for something that should be forgotten. It is to remove Warren's sacrifice from the history books. Even if history is not something to be proud of, it is still history. It still happened. To ignore history, to remove it, to delete it, to try and sweep it under the rug is wrong, wrong in every way that something can be wrong. It is to sanitize the country, to make this country something that it is not, which is perfect. No one is perfect. The country is not perfect, never was. To paraphrase a great American Patriot, Commodore Stephen Decatur Jr.'s famous toast, may our country "always be in the right, and always successful, right or wrong." President Ray is no Commodore Decatur. President Ray is Benedict Arnold. You have stolen something that I have always been proud of President Ray and corrupted, tried to make it ugly, when it is not. This is intolerable. This cannot be allowed to stand.
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Post by BeaverG20 on Jun 26, 2020 16:10:45 GMT -8
Somebody is gonna make a mint selling "Civil War" t-shirts outside the stadiums and arenas for a few years.
I have one my dad bought many years ago that says "Cival War".
He couldn't pass it up
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Post by TheGlove on Jun 26, 2020 16:22:03 GMT -8
Ed Ray is not erasing the actual Civil War from the history books.
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Post by Werebeaver on Jun 26, 2020 16:25:01 GMT -8
Ed Ray is not erasing the actual Civil War from the history books. You could make a strong case that such a transformative event in US history is actually trivialized by equating it to a college sports rivalry.
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Post by greshambeaver on Jun 26, 2020 16:29:59 GMT -8
great idea. Hopefully a better name is in the offing. Battle of Oregon is a lot more accurate than a name that is tied to a historical event with NO Relevance to Oregon, OSU or UO. The Platypus Bowl!
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jun 26, 2020 16:33:24 GMT -8
Ed Ray is not erasing the actual Civil War from the history books. Then what in the Wide World of Sports is he doing? He said that it is "a war fought to perpetuate slavery." That is idiotic to the point of absurdity. That is a five-year-old mindset. The Civil War is the war to free the slaves. The Civil War is the war that freed the slaves. My ancestors fought and died to make that a reality. And he is treating the Civil War as something that Oregon and Oregon State are above? He does not want Oregon State University to be associated with freed slaves? On what f'ing planet is that a cogent thought or statement? I am sorry, but that is BS scared administrator nonsense. It shows a complete lack of respect to the Grand Army of the Republic and everyone who fought to free the slaves, who fought to unite the country, to make sure that we remain one undivided nation. It is asinine and repugnant to history and truth; it is antithetical to the very point and purpose of higher education. He is a scared five-year-old and that is an insult to scared five-year-olds.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jun 26, 2020 16:34:41 GMT -8
Ed Ray is not erasing the actual Civil War from the history books. You could make a strong case that such a transformative event in US history is actually trivialized by equating it to a college sports rivalry. I agree with you, but that is not what Ed Ray said. And that is not why his is doing it, which irritates me.
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Post by rob85 on Jun 26, 2020 16:34:55 GMT -8
Pond Domination. PonDom for short.
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Post by beaver1989 on Jun 26, 2020 16:39:13 GMT -8
I could care less about changing the name of our sports rivalry with Oregon.
What I do know is we have the superior University. We are the older college(founded in 1856). Free Masons started OSU and continue to support it to this day. The Masons are builders and create excellent foundations for human enlightenment and achievement.
The University of Oregon is located on land deemed special to the Kalapuya tribe, that tribe was forced to the Oregon Coast. They are now part of the Confederated Tribes of Grande Ronde and Siletz.
My preference would be for wokesters to bulldoze UofO to the ground, and return sacred land to the Kalapuya.We only need one major University in Oregon, and that University is "Oregon State University".
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Post by seastape on Jun 26, 2020 16:39:42 GMT -8
I'm all for changing base names and taking down confederate monuments and other memorabilia that was put up to intimidate Americans, but the PC movement is running amok.
They tore down a statue of Grant in SF...the general who led the war to end slavery in America and wrote about how it was the right thing to do in his autobiography. Yes, he was a slave-owner and -trader but jumped on the right team when the s%#t hit the fan and did a fine job in delivering a freer nation. Is there no acknowledgement or forgiveness when a person changes the error of their ways?
Now we want to get rid of the name of the war in which America triumphed over would-be tyrants and traitors? Slavery is a stain in our history and the Civil War was the action in which honorable men crushed the dishonorable men who would've continued it. There is no shame in being on the right side of history.
Let's tear down all the WWII monuments. Who cares that America helped wipe Nazis off the face of the Earth and crushed Imperial Japan and then had the honor to help our enemies get back on their feet when it was all over? The important thing to remember is that our armed forces were deeply segregated at the time and we should remember it only as a time of shame.
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Post by seastape on Jun 26, 2020 16:45:43 GMT -8
We should adopt the rivalry name between Georgia and Georgia Tech.
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Post by alwaysorange on Jun 26, 2020 16:48:30 GMT -8
Call it the good vs evil game
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