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Post by ochobeavo on Jun 19, 2020 11:06:16 GMT -8
Ricky Bell of West Linn (Class of 21), 6A state champ last year at 113lbs.
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Post by qbeaver on Jun 19, 2020 11:12:36 GMT -8
I have a feeling that this new staff is going to kill it at recruiting if given the tools. Really looking forward to a top notch program sooner rather than later...
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jun 19, 2020 13:45:46 GMT -8
113 pounds as a high-school senior cannot be healthy. Even 125 pounds as a collegian is stretching it, IMHO.
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Post by zeroposter on Jun 19, 2020 14:33:41 GMT -8
113 pounds as a high-school senior cannot be healthy. Even 125 pounds as a collegian is stretching it, IMHO. I will wait for an explanation. There has to be one. Or Henry just posted the dumbest comment ever which is hard to do considering some of my posts. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Jun 19, 2020 14:48:58 GMT -8
113 pounds as a high-school senior cannot be healthy. Even 125 pounds as a collegian is stretching it, IMHO. I will wait for an explanation. There has to be one. Or Henry just posted the dumbest comment ever which is hard to do considering some of my posts. For a 5'-6" 17.5 year old boy 113 pounds is in the 7th percentile. Healthy weight is considered between the 5th and the 85th percentile. So it's near, but within what is considered healthy range. Of course if he's shorter, those 113 lbs become even more centered within the healthy range. www.cdc.gov/healthyweight/bmi/result.html?&method=english&gender=m&age_y=17&age_m=6&hinches=66&twp=113 |
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Post by blackbug on Jun 19, 2020 14:52:04 GMT -8
113 pounds as a high-school senior cannot be healthy. Even 125 pounds as a collegian is stretching it, IMHO. The weight does not matter as much as the individual weight cut. I have known many people with a smaller build that this type of weight class works for them. You could wrestle at 165#, but if you cut from 200# it is a worse scenario. Different weight classes allow different sizes of people to compete and will always exist in these types of sports. A high school wrestler must get certified at a weight before cutting to it and wrestling. Finally, you do find that the majority of the top high school wrestlers at a weight such as 113# are not actually seniors. This gives a opportunity for underclassmen to compete as they grow. Some people grow later in life and end up being small even as seniors. |
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Post by zeroposter on Jun 19, 2020 15:06:33 GMT -8
I will wait for an explanation. There has to be one. Or Henry just posted the dumbest comment ever which is hard to do considering some of my posts. For a 5'-6" 17.5 year old boy 113 pounds is in the 7th percentile. Healthy weight is considered between the 5th and the 85th percentile. So it's near, but within what is considered healthy range. Of course if he's shorter, those 113 lbs become even more centered within the healthy range. www.cdc.gov/healthyweight/bmi/result.html?&method=english&gender=m&age_y=17&age_m=6&hinches=66&twp=113This is exactly correct. Bell is not cutting. Some 126 guys in college are not cutting. And there are now protocols for cutting. Used to be a major problem in some weights. Still can be, but not like it once was. |
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Post by ochobeavo on Jun 19, 2020 15:12:57 GMT -8
113 pounds as a high-school senior cannot be healthy. Even 125 pounds as a collegian is stretching it, IMHO. you'd be surprised - lot of kids haven't filled out yet, short to begin with or not particularly muscular. My son was a late bloomer and was just 94 lbs as HS freshman wrestling at 106, Then wrestled 113, 126 as a junior, finally had a growth spurt at the beginning of his senior year and got all the way up to the 130's - and he didn't cut weight. Now he's a 185lb tank and I have to be careful how I talk to him lol |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jun 19, 2020 19:17:41 GMT -8
113 pounds as a high-school senior cannot be healthy. Even 125 pounds as a collegian is stretching it, IMHO. you'd be surprised - lot of kids haven't filled out yet, short to begin with or not particularly muscular. My son was a late bloomer and was just 94 lbs as HS freshman wrestling at 106, Then wrestled 113, 126 as a junior, finally had a growth spurt at the beginning of his senior year and got all the way up to the 130's - and he didn't cut weight. Now he's a 185lb tank and I have to be careful how I talk to him lol So, as a senior he weighed at least 20 pounds more than this kid. I just don't think 113 pounds is a healthy weight for a 17 or 18-year-old male. I don't think 125 pounds is a healthy weight for a college freshman, much less a college senior. Other's mileage may vary. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Jun 19, 2020 19:49:49 GMT -8
you'd be surprised - lot of kids haven't filled out yet, short to begin with or not particularly muscular. My son was a late bloomer and was just 94 lbs as HS freshman wrestling at 106, Then wrestled 113, 126 as a junior, finally had a growth spurt at the beginning of his senior year and got all the way up to the 130's - and he didn't cut weight. Now he's a 185lb tank and I have to be careful how I talk to him lol So, as a senior he weighed at least 20 pounds more than this kid. I just don't think 113 pounds is a healthy weight for a 17 or 18-year-old male. I don't think 125 pounds is a healthy weight for a college freshman, much less a college senior. Other's mileage may vary. I won't waste my time trying to convince you since your mind is made up. But I think Ricky Bell will be just fine. Based on my experience. Gerry Lindgren was a 11x NCAA champion at WSU (3m/5k, 6m/10k) and weighed 119 lbs as a college senior. He was plenty healthy. He still runs today in his 70's |
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Post by ag87 on Jun 19, 2020 22:20:46 GMT -8
I think I read where Ronnie (?) Bresser considered himself to be a natural 118 pounder and never had to cut to make weight. If you are in the 5'2 to 5'5 range, what do you expect?
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Post by ochobeavo on Jun 20, 2020 4:59:12 GMT -8
I think I read where Ronnie (?) Bresser considered himself to be a natural 118 pounder and never had to cut to make weight. If you are in the 5'2 to 5'5 range, what do you expect? Correct - RB is listed at 5’4”. He took his redshirt year after his sophomore season to get bigger and stronger. Spencer Lee of Iowa is about the same height... Brandon Kaylor - our current starter at 125 is also 5’4”. |
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Post by qbeaver on Jun 20, 2020 9:18:01 GMT -8
Can Ricky Bell be a high level prospect? That is all I care about...
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Post by BeaverG20 on Jun 20, 2020 11:52:59 GMT -8
you'd be surprised - lot of kids haven't filled out yet, short to begin with or not particularly muscular. My son was a late bloomer and was just 94 lbs as HS freshman wrestling at 106, Then wrestled 113, 126 as a junior, finally had a growth spurt at the beginning of his senior year and got all the way up to the 130's - and he didn't cut weight. Now he's a 185lb tank and I have to be careful how I talk to him lol So, as a senior he weighed at least 20 pounds more than this kid. I just don't think 113 pounds is a healthy weight for a 17 or 18-year-old male. I don't think 125 pounds is a healthy weight for a college freshman, much less a college senior. Other's mileage may vary. That's why people come in different sizes. Aaron Donald's BMI designates him as obese, but he isn't. Me at 125 would be dead. I'm 6'2". Unless you have some credentials to back up your thoughts, I'd leave it to the medical professionals that lay out the guidelines that all the athletic associations adhere to. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jun 20, 2020 20:16:54 GMT -8
Unless you have some credentials to back up your thoughts,
As I said several times, it's just my opinion.
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