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Post by beavs6 on Jun 20, 2020 20:08:42 GMT -8
He didn't say Senate races were National either. Why I corrected you. Run in circles all you want. Takes a mature person to admit when they are wrong. You might make it there some day. Bye. You and beaverclever boyfriends? You two read about as well as you reason. Try again. I'll bite. What does "You and beaverclever boyfriends?" mean/insinuate?
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Post by irimi on Jun 20, 2020 20:49:02 GMT -8
It is difficult to remain cool when others make personal attacks. If you attack my ideas, no problem. Belittling me or attacking me personally is challenging. I’m not experienced in internet debate and don’t have the thick skin others have. So nice personal attack with a side of sarcasm. As for BH turning into a political forum, I simply stated that I would like no football this year—that was my prediction. You guys jumped all over that. And it’s been going ever since. So thanks. You all could have left it alone. It wasn’t a political statement, but you guys turned it into one. irimi- I feel like I tried to engage you in an effort to discuss the middle ground in an earlier thread. It did not seem to go anywhere. If you were turned off by my calling you a "zealot", it was my effort to point out that you were not engaging me with any kind of "middle ground". I really did want to discuss things like do ends really justify means. You asked me a question about Christianity, and when I corrected you, you brought some negative Trump bible rhetoric. I was more turned off by you side-stepping my attempt at rational discussion than any shade being thrown at the President. Honestly, I was surprised. I chalked it up to some "Good People" have areas of their life and opinions that make them "lose there minds". (my words, hope they make sense. Not intended as any slight) I am not a big political person either. What drives me crazy about most political discussions is the hypocrisy. People demanding respect/equality/justice/rights etc...etc...etc.---and not showing it to others with different views. It really would be beneficial for the good of the Nation if people would honestly be open to looking at the similarities we all have and celebrating the differences we have. If you are referring to the thread on Black Lives Matter, I recognize that I portrayed myself as a zealot on the board. Part of it was intentional on my part as I was testing my own thinking. I’ve always been a peaceful guy and greatly respect Dr. King, Gandhi, and the like. But how can that succeed without such formidable personalities? I figure a little struggle can help build the stage for those men/women to rise up and lead the way. I’m pretty sure I didn’t ask a question about Christianity. I think I showed that God (through Moses) used violence (Passover) to get his people their freedom. Then you dismissed that as Old Testament, which is fine, except for the Jews. (Joke) The trouble is that we see things through our own experience and our own knowledge, so attempting to communicate my ideas, I have to reach you on your level. But if you haven’t had X experience or if you have had Y experience, we are no longer talking about the same thing. This was true with Yin and Yang. I bet when we get down to it, our views are not so different. I don’t want to see cops trying to reign in protestors with military grade equipment or attacking the protestors without cause. I suspect you don’t like seeing that either. Doesn’t really show the best side of America. I don’t want to see people looting stores for fun. Too many (it is said) have no connection to the protest or are actually trying to give the protests a bad name. You don’t want to see it either. But I’m able to understand the anger that could cause it to happen, just as all the stupid things I’ve broken when I was angry. We might differ on some other aspects. Such as, I want the protests to continue until serious action is taken, not the kind of “pat yourself on the back” kind like naming Juneteenth a holiday. Oh yeah. That makes it all better. /s To help yourself figure out what should be done, ask yourself one question: Would you want to be born Black in this country in your next lifetime? How about Mexican? If you hesitate to say yes, then I would suggest that you know deep down that things are not equal. So how can we go about fixing them?
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Post by irimi on Jun 20, 2020 20:55:12 GMT -8
It is difficult to remain cool when others make personal attacks. If you attack my ideas, no problem. Belittling me or attacking me personally is challenging. I’m not experienced in internet debate and don’t have the thick skin others have. So nice personal attack with a side of sarcasm. As for BH turning into a political forum, I simply stated that I would like no football this year—that was my prediction. You guys jumped all over that. And it’s been going ever since. So thanks. You all could have left it alone. It wasn’t a political statement, but you guys turned it into one. Still waiting for those "several backwater states" not named Florida, Mr. Avoidance. Lol Replied to you already. Still waiting for you to understand it. Sigh.
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Post by beavs6 on Jun 20, 2020 21:16:11 GMT -8
irimi- I feel like I tried to engage you in an effort to discuss the middle ground in an earlier thread. It did not seem to go anywhere. If you were turned off by my calling you a "zealot", it was my effort to point out that you were not engaging me with any kind of "middle ground". I really did want to discuss things like do ends really justify means. You asked me a question about Christianity, and when I corrected you, you brought some negative Trump bible rhetoric. I was more turned off by you side-stepping my attempt at rational discussion than any shade being thrown at the President. Honestly, I was surprised. I chalked it up to some "Good People" have areas of their life and opinions that make them "lose there minds". (my words, hope they make sense. Not intended as any slight) I am not a big political person either. What drives me crazy about most political discussions is the hypocrisy. People demanding respect/equality/justice/rights etc...etc...etc.---and not showing it to others with different views. It really would be beneficial for the good of the Nation if people would honestly be open to looking at the similarities we all have and celebrating the differences we have. If you are referring to the thread on Black Lives Matter, I recognize that I portrayed myself as a zealot on the board. Part of it was intentional on my part as I was testing my own thinking. I’ve always been a peaceful guy and greatly respect Dr. King, Gandhi, and the like. But how can that succeed without such formidable personalities? I figure a little struggle can help build the stage for those men/women to rise up and lead the way. I’m pretty sure I didn’t ask a question about Christianity. I think I showed that God (through Moses) used violence (Passover) to get his people their freedom. Then you dismissed that as Old Testament, which is fine, except for the Jews. (Joke) The trouble is that we see things through our own experience and our own knowledge, so attempting to communicate my ideas, I have to reach you on your level. But if you haven’t had X experience or if you have had Y experience, we are no longer talking about the same thing. This was true with Yin and Yang. I bet when we get down to it, our views are not so different. I don’t want to see cops trying to reign in protestors with military grade equipment or attacking the protestors without cause. I suspect you don’t like seeing that either. Doesn’t really show the best side of America. I don’t want to see people looting stores for fun. Too many (it is said) have no connection to the protest or are actually trying to give the protests a bad name. You don’t want to see it either. But I’m able to understand the anger that could cause it to happen, just as all the stupid things I’ve broken when I was angry. We might differ on some other aspects. Such as, I want the protests to continue until serious action is taken, not the kind of “pat yourself on the back” kind like naming Juneteenth a holiday. Oh yeah. That makes it all better. /s To help yourself figure out what should be done, ask yourself one question: Would you want to be born Black in this country in your next lifetime? How about Mexican? If you hesitate to say yes, then I would suggest that you know deep down that things are not equal. So how can we go about fixing them? I agree that things are not equal. I never said that they were. I just don't think that trying create change by acting/doing the same thing you are trying to change will work. How much sense does it make to yell or swear at a child for yelling or swearing? I don't think that an eye for an eye mentality will work. Your Yin and Yang comments made me think: If what people are trying to change is police brutality, violence, and inequality...wouldn't the opposite be to create change by NOT using brutality, violence, and creating inequalities? I heard some thoughts from Calvin Baker the other day. He was saying that the US does not have a racism problem. It has an integration problem. He also said that in his opinion we as a society are heading in the correct direction. In his estimation it will take 2-4 generations. I may pick up his latest book.
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Post by pitbeavs on Jun 20, 2020 21:41:22 GMT -8
You and beaverclever boyfriends? You two read about as well as you reason. Try again. I'll bite. What does "You and beaverclever boyfriends?" mean/insinuate? You two are reading poorly and making the same bizarre arguments, I thought there might be some pillow talk involved. Now, regarding the definition of LOCAL. I found three good ones: 1) Local: "belonging or relating to a particular area or neighborhood, typically exclusively so. Similar: community, district, neighborhood, regional, city, town, municipal, provincial, village, parish ..." 2) Local: "from, existing in, or serving a particular place or small area: the local population, the local newspaper, local phone calls, local government." 3) Local: "The definition of local is relating to a particular space or place or serving only a small portion of something. An example of local used as an adjective is a local mall which means the mall nearby where someone lives. An example of local used as an adjective is local government meaning the government that serves a town or a few towns." So, U.S. Senate would not be local as you two boys seem to insist on arguing. City council, yes. County commission, yes. School board, yes. State legislature, yes. U.S. Congress, yes. Governor, no. U.S. Senator, no.
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Post by beaver94 on Jun 20, 2020 22:46:10 GMT -8
I'll bite. What does "You and beaverclever boyfriends?" mean/insinuate? You two are reading poorly and making the same bizarre arguments, I thought there might be some pillow talk involved. Haha, nice. You got them good. Using someone’s sexuality in a condescending is a sick burn.
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Post by pitbeavs on Jun 21, 2020 0:00:16 GMT -8
You two are reading poorly and making the same bizarre arguments, I thought there might be some pillow talk involved. Haha, nice. You got them good. Using someone’s sexuality in a condescending is a sick burn. Yeah, I feel bad. But I can't take it back. I'll wear my warts.
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Post by beavs6 on Jun 21, 2020 6:18:06 GMT -8
I'll bite. What does "You and beaverclever boyfriends?" mean/insinuate? You two are reading poorly and making the same bizarre arguments, I thought there might be some pillow talk involved. Now, regarding the definition of LOCAL. I found three good ones: 1) Local: "belonging or relating to a particular area or neighborhood, typically exclusively so. Similar: community, district, neighborhood, regional, city, town, municipal, provincial, village, parish ..." 2) Local: "from, existing in, or serving a particular place or small area: the local population, the local newspaper, local phone calls, local government." 3) Local: "The definition of local is relating to a particular space or place or serving only a small portion of something. An example of local used as an adjective is a local mall which means the mall nearby where someone lives. An example of local used as an adjective is local government meaning the government that serves a town or a few towns." So, U.S. Senate would not be local as you two boys seem to insist on arguing. City council, yes. County commission, yes. School board, yes. State legislature, yes. U.S. Congress, yes. Governor, no. U.S. Senator, no. So are Governor and Senator national races then? If my choice is local or national, I would say they are local...but whatever.
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Post by irimi on Jun 21, 2020 8:06:48 GMT -8
Replied to you already. Still waiting for you to understand it. Sigh. Oh, I see. THERE WERE NO SUCH SPECIFIC states.
You were just talking out your ____.
No surprise, there.
Why are you filled with such hate? What is wrong with you?
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Post by irimi on Jun 21, 2020 8:16:12 GMT -8
If you are referring to the thread on Black Lives Matter, I recognize that I portrayed myself as a zealot on the board. Part of it was intentional on my part as I was testing my own thinking. I’ve always been a peaceful guy and greatly respect Dr. King, Gandhi, and the like. But how can that succeed without such formidable personalities? I figure a little struggle can help build the stage for those men/women to rise up and lead the way. I’m pretty sure I didn’t ask a question about Christianity. I think I showed that God (through Moses) used violence (Passover) to get his people their freedom. Then you dismissed that as Old Testament, which is fine, except for the Jews. (Joke) The trouble is that we see things through our own experience and our own knowledge, so attempting to communicate my ideas, I have to reach you on your level. But if you haven’t had X experience or if you have had Y experience, we are no longer talking about the same thing. This was true with Yin and Yang. I bet when we get down to it, our views are not so different. I don’t want to see cops trying to reign in protestors with military grade equipment or attacking the protestors without cause. I suspect you don’t like seeing that either. Doesn’t really show the best side of America. I don’t want to see people looting stores for fun. Too many (it is said) have no connection to the protest or are actually trying to give the protests a bad name. You don’t want to see it either. But I’m able to understand the anger that could cause it to happen, just as all the stupid things I’ve broken when I was angry. We might differ on some other aspects. Such as, I want the protests to continue until serious action is taken, not the kind of “pat yourself on the back” kind like naming Juneteenth a holiday. Oh yeah. That makes it all better. /s To help yourself figure out what should be done, ask yourself one question: Would you want to be born Black in this country in your next lifetime? How about Mexican? If you hesitate to say yes, then I would suggest that you know deep down that things are not equal. So how can we go about fixing them? I agree that things are not equal. I never said that they were. I just don't think that trying create change by acting/doing the same thing you are trying to change will work. How much sense does it make to yell or swear at a child for yelling or swearing? I don't think that an eye for an eye mentality will work. Your Yin and Yang comments made me think: If what people are trying to change is police brutality, violence, and inequality...wouldn't the opposite be to create change by NOT using brutality, violence, and creating inequalities? I heard some thoughts from Calvin Baker the other day. He was saying that the US does not have a racism problem. It has an integration problem. He also said that in his opinion we as a society are heading in the correct direction. In his estimation it will take 2-4 generations. I may pick up his latest book. I think you are right about Yin and Yang in the overall scheme of things. But I also think that when there is insufficient response or inaction from the other side, then action is required. But why should it take 2-4 generations? I have no doubt that as a country we are doing much better than in the 60s. And we’ve seen some progress since then, but it has been slow. Recent political events have left our Black brothers and sisters disenfranchised, so it is important to stand up and demand change.
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Post by pitbeavs on Jun 21, 2020 8:53:12 GMT -8
You two are reading poorly and making the same bizarre arguments, I thought there might be some pillow talk involved. Now, regarding the definition of LOCAL. I found three good ones: 1) Local: "belonging or relating to a particular area or neighborhood, typically exclusively so. Similar: community, district, neighborhood, regional, city, town, municipal, provincial, village, parish ..." 2) Local: "from, existing in, or serving a particular place or small area: the local population, the local newspaper, local phone calls, local government." 3) Local: "The definition of local is relating to a particular space or place or serving only a small portion of something. An example of local used as an adjective is a local mall which means the mall nearby where someone lives. An example of local used as an adjective is local government meaning the government that serves a town or a few towns." So, U.S. Senate would not be local as you two boys seem to insist on arguing. City council, yes. County commission, yes. School board, yes. State legislature, yes. U.S. Congress, yes. Governor, no. U.S. Senator, no. So are Governor and Senator national races then? If my choice is local or national, I would say they are local...but whatever. Ok, you're beyond help and not worth mytime.
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Post by seastape on Jun 21, 2020 11:32:01 GMT -8
Exactly. Your fear is that a couple of metropolises control the election, which is what might happen if popular votes are counted. Our fear is that a few backwater states control the election, which is what has happened in two recent elections.
LMFAO @ "which is what might happen." No way!
Florida (the second most populous state in the country) is considered a "backwater" state, by the illustrious irimi .... apparently. How many (former) residents of NY and the rest of the Northeast move to FL (either after retirement or to live, seasonally)? They control the Presidential elections, now, apparently. Who got the electoral FL votes in '08 and '12? Oh yeah .... that Obama guy.
Florida is the third most populous state
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Post by mbabeav on Jun 21, 2020 14:00:55 GMT -8
Help the process. Dislike or like the results all you want, but I know some elections people and they work very hard to make sure that the elections are run accurately. This is often in the face of technological, social and political interference that makes things that much tougher. Vote, and let whomever represents you know that the outcome is what it is. Why do we seem to increasingly enjoy tearing the system down so much like little kids knocking down the stack of blocks they just built. The minute you start letting the losers and threats from incumbents to devalue the system if they lose, the closer you let us move towards a civil conflict that will tear down our society. Look how fractured we are now.
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Post by irimi on Jun 21, 2020 14:47:52 GMT -8
Why are you filled with such hate? What is wrong with you? Thanks for the double-confirmation. No such "backwater states" had ANY effect on the 2016 Electoral College numbers. You offer nothing to this conversation but diatribe and rhetoric. You don’t even TRY to understand what I wrote, so I give up. So here’s your triple-confirmation, which surely means ALL of what you have WRITTEN is TRUE.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jun 21, 2020 14:57:24 GMT -8
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