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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jun 20, 2020 11:33:03 GMT -8
Sorry. One man/woman, one vote. A vote in New Hampshire counts as much as a vote in California, Wyoming or Texas.
The smaller states would be adequately represented in the House, and over-represented in the Senate. No tyranny of the majority whatsoever.
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Post by ag87 on Jun 20, 2020 11:39:18 GMT -8
One way to balance this out to some extent is for Puerto Rico and the District of Columbia to become states. DC has electoral votes now but PR would likely get six. And it would add four likely Democratic senators. To me it's amazing that the Dakotas have twice the representation in the senate as California.
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Post by ag87 on Jun 20, 2020 11:51:52 GMT -8
One way to balance this out to some extent is for Puerto Rico and the District of Columbia to become states. DC has electoral votes now but PR would likely get six. And it would add four likely Democratic senators. To me it's amazing that the Dakotas have twice the representation in the senate as California. Puerto Rico deserves absolutely nothing from the US. Give them their complete independence to be even more politically corrupt than they already are. DC needs to merge into VA or MD.
Puerto Rico is the USA. |
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Post by irimi on Jun 20, 2020 12:02:33 GMT -8
Guam, too. Give them full statehood and let their votes count. They are, after all, American citizens.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jun 20, 2020 12:12:38 GMT -8
Sorry. One man/woman, one vote. A vote in New Hampshire counts as much as a vote in California, Wyoming or Texas. The smaller states would be adequately represented in the House, and over-represented in the Senate. No tyranny of the majority whatsoever. Problem with the one person one vote theory is geography and getting an overall representation of the nation. A couple of cities should not rule a nation of this size. As it is, lots of democratic led states are already trying to get rid of the one person one vote. Oregon did it on June 12th of this last year. As it stands now, if every voter in Oregon votes Biden and Trump gets 1 more vote in the popular vote nationally, ALL of Oregon's EC delegates would go to Trump. Your vote would be weakened in that case. There is no simple solution to this, the electoral college, the separate branches of government, and the ability to change a big chunk of our leadership by vote every 2-4 years is a great way to provide some political balance and see that everyone and everwhere gets some representation. |
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Post by irimi on Jun 20, 2020 12:32:26 GMT -8
What will these same anti-EC people never promote the idea of? Term limits.
Surprise, surprise.
Why on earth would you think that?!?! |
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Post by irimi on Jun 20, 2020 12:40:57 GMT -8
Sorry. One man/woman, one vote. A vote in New Hampshire counts as much as a vote in California, Wyoming or Texas. The smaller states would be adequately represented in the House, and over-represented in the Senate. No tyranny of the majority whatsoever. Problem with the one person one vote theory is geography and getting an overall representation of the nation. A couple of cities should not rule a nation of this size. Exactly. Your fear is that a couple of metropolises control the election, which is what might happen if popular votes are counted. Our fear is that a few backwater states control the election, which is what has happened in two recent elections.
The only time that this is really a problem is with the last two Republican Presidents, neither of whom won the popular vote. So why should the path to presidency be easier for a Republican than a Democrat?
It seems to me that the President's position is important enough that both systems ought to be in play. If you can't win a simple majority of the popular vote, then you don't deserve to be president. Period. Try again.
I haven't figured out what should happen in the cases like W and Trump, but that's out of my league. I think the requirement would bring both sides closer together. Needing to win 51% of the vote should matter.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jun 20, 2020 12:50:28 GMT -8
What will these same anti-EC people never promote the idea of? Term limits.
Surprise, surprise.
I would love to see term limits. 4-6 terms in the House and 2-3 in the Senate. I see a need for "experience" in both sides of Congress, but these days there are a LOT of leaders on both sides who've entrenched themselves into lifelong careers and care more about staying where they are and eliminating competitive thought than doing good for the American people. |
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Post by irimi on Jun 20, 2020 13:02:29 GMT -8
What will these same anti-EC people never promote the idea of? Term limits.
Surprise, surprise.
I would love to see term limits. 4-6 terms in the House and 2-3 in the Senate. I see a need for "experience" in both sides of Congress, but these days there are a LOT of leaders on both sides who've entrenched themselves into lifelong careers and care more about staying where they are and eliminating competitive thought than doing good for the American people. We could get some younger people in there, too. Our leaders are too old! |
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Post by irimi on Jun 20, 2020 13:11:49 GMT -8
Exactly. Your fear is that a couple of metropolises control the election, which is what might happen if popular votes are counted. Our fear is that a few backwater states control the election, which is what has happened in two recent elections.
LMFAO @ "which is what might happen." No way!
Florida (the second most populous state in the country) is considered a "backwater" state, by the illustrious irimi .... apparently. How many (former) residents of NY and the rest of the Northeast move to FL (either after retirement or to live, seasonally)? They control the Presidential elections, now, apparently. Who got the electoral FL votes in '08 and '12? Oh yeah .... that Obama guy.
Typical fever comment. smh
You are the one who threw Florida's name out there. Well done! Not only did you name it, but you showed us why it isn't "backwater" and why it doesn't control the vote (because Obama took it). Well done.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jun 20, 2020 13:16:41 GMT -8
I would love to see term limits. 4-6 terms in the House and 2-3 in the Senate. I see a need for "experience" in both sides of Congress, but these days there are a LOT of leaders on both sides who've entrenched themselves into lifelong careers and care more about staying where they are and eliminating competitive thought than doing good for the American people. We could get some younger people in there, too. Our leaders are too old! New blood would be great, and IF an experienced older congressperson was "that good" that their State needs then the could run to the other side. You'd get the best of both worlds that way. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jun 20, 2020 13:34:12 GMT -8
Typical fever comment. smh
You are the one who threw Florida's name out there. Well done! Not only did you name it, but you showed us why it isn't "backwater" and why it doesn't control the vote (because Obama took it). Well done.
Nice backpedal. Go ahead now and name those "several backwater states" (not named Florida) who controlled several recent (presidential) elections.
Take your time. This ought to be good.
Trump won the EC by 77 votes. That's a LOT of "backwater" States. |
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Post by TheGlove on Jun 20, 2020 14:07:08 GMT -8
What will these same anti-EC people never promote the idea of? Term limits.
Surprise, surprise.
Your already low credibility takes another hit. |
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Post by irimi on Jun 20, 2020 14:48:30 GMT -8
Nice backpedal. Go ahead now and name those "several backwater states" (not named Florida) who controlled several recent (presidential) elections.
Take your time. This ought to be good.
Trump won the EC by 77 votes. That's a LOT of "backwater" States. What is so strange and foreign about the concept that a people's leader ought to represent at least half of the people in the country? |
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Post by irimi on Jun 20, 2020 14:56:28 GMT -8
Typical fever comment. smh
You are the one who threw Florida's name out there. Well done! Not only did you name it, but you showed us why it isn't "backwater" and why it doesn't control the vote (because Obama took it). Well done.
Nice backpedal. Go ahead now and name those "several backwater states" (not named Florida) who controlled several recent (presidential) elections.
Take your time. This ought to be good.
I'm not backpedalling. You are the one that put Florida out there. Did you notice that you didn't name any of the major cities? Why not? Because....
...my statement was a representation of how both sides feel. Those who want the popular vote, don't want modern busy cities to control the election....
...those who don't want the EC, don't want rural states to control the election....
It wasn't meant to be specific. The crux of my post was below, and you got so caught up in the first part that you ignored the rest.
WE SHOULD NOT HAVE A PRESIDENT WHO FAILS TO OBTAIN A SIMPLE MAJORITY OF VOTES.
(I tried to write Trump-style to help your comprehension.)
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