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Post by Werebeaver on Jun 18, 2020 15:19:35 GMT -8
3:06:49 I'm gonna have to pass on this. |
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Post by TheGlove on Jun 18, 2020 15:28:02 GMT -8
He's for more funding of police forces. Not necessary. Re-training, and in some cases, rehiring are better courses. Demilitarizing should save some $. Redirect those funds to what people really need.
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Post by TheGlove on Jun 18, 2020 21:02:52 GMT -8
He's for more funding of police forces. Not necessary. Re-training, and in some cases, rehiring are better courses. Demilitarizing should save some $. Redirect those funds to what people really need. You couldn't have actually watched it all. That's not what he said. I didn’t watch it all. He said that somewhere in the first 5-10 minutes. |
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Post by pitbeavs on Jun 18, 2020 21:12:21 GMT -8
He's for more funding of police forces. Not necessary. Re-training, and in some cases, rehiring are better courses. Demilitarizing should save some $. Redirect those funds to what people really need. You couldn't have actually watched it all. That's not what he said. Why would we watch it all beaverclever? Most of us can identify right-wingnut bulls%$t very easily. |
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Post by TheGlove on Jun 19, 2020 6:41:11 GMT -8
You couldn't have actually watched it all. That's not what he said. Why would we watch it all beaverclever? Most of us can identify right-wingnut bulls%$t very easily. I listened to the first 10-15 minutes. At least it’s thought provoking. He has some interesting ideas, but he tries to back them up with falsehoods which severely damages his credibility. |
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Post by lebaneaver on Jun 19, 2020 7:23:14 GMT -8
BeFeve........Today's "right-wing-trumpets" have moved the fulcrum so far TO the right of center that Mussolini would be left of center today. St. Ronny would be considered a leftist. El Oh El, dumbass.
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Post by pitbeavs on Jun 19, 2020 8:06:34 GMT -8
Why would we watch it all beaverclever? Most of us can identify right-wingnut bulls%$t very easily. Neither of them are even right of center. Quite the opposite, dumbass. Lol Beaverclever -- such language. Shame on you. I sent Wally for some soap. Joe Rogan is a Libertarian nutjob, having supported Ron Paul, Gary Johnson, and Tulski Gabbardova in their embarrassing candidates for POTUS. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jun 19, 2020 8:20:18 GMT -8
BeFeve........Today's "right-wing-trumpets" have moved the fulcrum so far TO the right of center that Mussolini would be left of center today. St. Ronny would be considered a leftist. El Oh El, dumbass. Same thing with the extreme left. I still believe there's a lot of both Dems and Reps that really are fairly in the middle, they just don't get the airtime or print space the extremes do. |
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Post by TheGlove on Jun 19, 2020 8:56:32 GMT -8
I listened to the first 10-15 minutes. At least it’s thought provoking. He has some interesting ideas, but he tries to back them up with falsehoods which severely damages his credibility. Which falsehoods would those be? I’m not going back to re-listen and pull the exact quotes. Off the top of my head... I believe he miss characterized the aims of the BLM movement. |
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Post by pitbeavs on Jun 19, 2020 9:39:47 GMT -8
Neither of them are even right of center. Quite the opposite, dumbass. Lol Beaverclever -- such language. Shame on you. I sent Wally for some soap. Joe Rogan is a Libertarian nutjob, having supported Ron Paul, Gary Johnson, and Tulski Gabbardova in their embarrassing candidacies for POTUS. |
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Post by mbabeav on Jun 19, 2020 13:17:43 GMT -8
BeFeve........Today's "right-wing-trumpets" have moved the fulcrum so far TO the right of center that Mussolini would be left of center today. St. Ronny would be considered a leftist. El Oh El, dumbass. Same thing with the extreme left. I still believe there's a lot of both Dems and Reps that really are fairly in the middle, they just don't get the airtime or print space the extremes do. Our political process has been left (no pun intended) to the hard liners of both sides, so that by the time the primary process has ended, at least one of the extremes has their candidate - then it becomes a matter of who gets the most of their party to turn out in the general election. And even if Hitler were running against Stalin, 47.5% of the population who identify with one party will vote for Hitler, and 47.5% for Stalin - it's what their family and friends have done since they started voting. Everyone is fighting for that 5% in the middle, the ones that pinch their noses and vote - and now, since the Electoral College (brought to you by the lower population slave owning states that also wanted their slaves counted as 3/5 of a person so that the more populous non-slave states couldn't dominate the federal government) is overriding the popular vote, our "democracy" is exposed as not being majority ruled in the first place. And I am left with the same feeling I had in 2008; who in their right mind would want the job given the current state of the union. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jun 19, 2020 14:21:36 GMT -8
BeFeve........Today's "right-wing-trumpets" have moved the fulcrum so far TO the right of center that Mussolini would be left of center today. St. Ronny would be considered a leftist. El Oh El, dumbass. [Insert left-wing loons have moved the fulcrum so far TO the left of center that Stalin would be right of center today quip here.] Mussolini was an avowed anti-religious socialist and atheist (until near the end of his life). He sought universal suffrage, the creation of an eight-hour work day, a minimum wage, the reduction of retirement age to 55, increased taxes on the wealthy, and nationalization of the armaments industry. Both Hitler and Mussolini were big Friedrich Nietzsche fans and were thus generally opposed to Christianity and especially opposed to its tenants of humility, charity, and goodness. (Hitler actually gave Mussolini 24 Nietzsche books (the complete works of Neietzsche) for his 60th birthday.) Mussolini was pro-Italy, an Italy for Italians. However, his net was much bigger than Hitlers. He was much more tolerant of Jews and Muslims than Hitler. He also tended to be opposed to Slavs, though, just like Hitler. Hitler pretended to be left-wing until the Night of Long Knives. Mussolini was always left-wing but sold out to try and appeal as universally as he could (and then sold out further to appeal to Hitler). Stalin was always left-wing. This is why, at one time, Hitler, Mussolini, and Stalin were all allied with one another, a group of left-wing totalitarian dictators. If you exclude military dictators, the worst dictators tend to come from the left. Where we place them after the fact obfuscates the lessons that we should be learning from history. As for "trumpets," a lot of Donald Trump is what has historically been called "right wing." A lot is not. Trump has sort of upset the apple cart with regards to the use of the term in my opinion. St. Ronny is right wing (at least as it was used before 2015).  In St. Ronny's acceptance speech at the 1980 Republican National Convention, he said, "For those without job opportunities, we’ll stimulate new opportunities, particularly in the inner cities where they live. For those who’ve abandoned hope, we’ll restore hope and we’ll welcome them into a great national crusade to make America great again." |
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Post by irimi on Jun 19, 2020 14:32:59 GMT -8
BeFeve........Today's "right-wing-trumpets" have moved the fulcrum so far TO the right of center that Mussolini would be left of center today. St. Ronny would be considered a leftist. El Oh El, dumbass. Loved this so much, I just wanted to read it again. |
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Post by pitbeavs on Jun 19, 2020 15:06:51 GMT -8
BeFeve........Today's "right-wing-trumpets" have moved the fulcrum so far TO the right of center that Mussolini would be left of center today. St. Ronny would be considered a leftist. El Oh El, dumbass. [Insert left-wing loons have moved the fulcrum so far TO the left of center that Stalin would be right of center today quip here.] Mussolini was an avowed anti-religious socialist and atheist (until near the end of his life). He sought universal suffrage, the creation of an eight-hour work day, a minimum wage, the reduction of retirement age to 55, increased taxes on the wealthy, and nationalization of the armaments industry. Both Hitler and Mussolini were big Friedrich Nietzsche fans and were thus generally opposed to Christianity and especially opposed to its tenants of humility, charity, and goodness. (Hitler actually gave Mussolini 24 Nietzsche books (the complete works of Neietzsche) for his 60th birthday.) Mussolini was pro-Italy, an Italy for Italians. However, his net was much bigger than Hitlers. He was much more tolerant of Jews and Muslims than Hitler. He also tended to be opposed to Slavs, though, just like Hitler. Hitler pretended to be left-wing until the Night of Long Knives. Mussolini was always left-wing but sold out to try and appeal as universally as he could (and then sold out further to appeal to Hitler). Stalin was always left-wing. This is why, at one time, Hitler, Mussolini, and Stalin were all allied with one another, a group of left-wing totalitarian dictators. If you exclude military dictators, the worst dictators tend to come from the left. Where we place them after the fact obfuscates the lessons that we should be learning from history. As for "trumpets," a lot of Donald Trump is what has historically been called "right wing." A lot is not. Trump has sort of upset the apple cart with regards to the use of the term in my opinion. St. Ronny is right wing (at least as it was used before 2015). In St. Ronny's acceptance speech at the 1980 Republican National Convention, he said, "For those without job opportunities, we’ll stimulate new opportunities, particularly in the inner cities where they live. For those who’ve abandoned hope, we’ll restore hope and we’ll welcome them into a great national crusade to make America great again." Can we say gaslight? |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jun 19, 2020 15:08:26 GMT -8
Same thing with the extreme left. I still believe there's a lot of both Dems and Reps that really are fairly in the middle, they just don't get the airtime or print space the extremes do. Our political process has been left (no pun intended) to the hard liners of both sides, so that by the time the primary process has ended, at least one of the extremes has their candidate - then it becomes a matter of who gets the most of their party to turn out in the general election. And even if Hitler were running against Stalin, 47.5% of the population who identify with one party will vote for Hitler, and 47.5% for Stalin - it's what their family and friends have done since they started voting. Everyone is fighting for that 5% in the middle, the ones that pinch their noses and vote - and now, since the Electoral College (brought to you by the lower population slave owning states that also wanted their slaves counted as 3/5 of a person so that the more populous non-slave states couldn't dominate the federal government) is overriding the popular vote, our "democracy" is exposed as not being majority ruled in the first place.
And I am left with the same feeling I had in 2008; who in their right mind would want the job given the current state of the union. Most right. Then, the bolded part. Actually, Madison originally proposed that Congress would elect the President. The Virginia delegates supported this plan. The Electoral College was proposed by Pennsylvania. Connecticut, Maryland, and New Jersey supported the Electoral College, because they thought that it would never work. They thought that the Electoral College would almost always fail and that it would go to the House of Representatives. The first three times, it worked. And then the election of 1800 tied between Burr and Jefferson. It took 36 ballots to decide the tie between Burr and Jefferson. (Hamilton favored Jefferson, which broke the tie.) Then, the Electoral College was modified to avoid something like the foregoing. Hamliton was actually crafting an amendment to replace the Electoral College, but he was shot and killed by Burr in the famous duel. A push was made to amend the Constitution in the early 1820s, but nothing ever came of it, and the issue disappeared. The term Slave State is an anachronism, because, originally, eight of the original 13 were Slave States and Rhode Island did not participate in the Constitutional Convention. The only free states to participate were Connecticut, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, and Pennsylvania. New York would not abolish slavery until 1799, and New Jersey would not abolish slavery until 1804. America was never supposed to be majority-ruled, when it came to President. There was a fear of the tyranny of the majority. The political parties subverted the Electoral College system to make them do what they were never supposed to do. Then, people blame the Founders? Whoa! Anyway, since 1988, only three elections have been won by an individual who received a majority of the votes: 2004, 2008, and 2012. The other four elections, the winner was an individual who received a plurality of the votes twice--Clinton--and twice was an individual who did not win a plurality of the votes--Bush II and Trump. This is not uncommon. Truman, Kennedy, and Nixon each won elections with a plurality. Wilson won twice. Grover Cleveland won the plurality twice and won the election and won it a third time and lost to Benjamin Harrison. Garfield also won a plurality. Samuel J. Tilden is the only presidential candidate to win a majority of the popular vote and lose an election in 1876. Buchanan in 1856 and Lincoln in 1860 each won a plurality. Polk in 1844 and Taylor in 1848 each won with a plurality. Andrew Jackson won a plurality in 1824 and had the most electoral votes but lost the election to John Quincy Adams in the House of Representatives. It should be noted that Justin Trudeau "lost" the popular vote to Andrew Scheer in the 2019 Canadian Federal Election, but is still Prime Minister. (The Liberals in 2019 received the lowest percentage of the national popular vote of a governing party in Canadian history.) In 1979, the same thing happened in reverse after Pierre Trudeau (Justin's dad) "won" the popular vote but lost the election. So, we should not view the 2016 Presidential Election as something that is uniquely American. |
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