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Post by lebaneaver on Jun 17, 2020 15:18:07 GMT -8
The subject of this thread could be, “POLARIZED.”
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Post by thetruebeav on Jun 17, 2020 15:18:40 GMT -8
The press is all about hits on my space, viewers, tik tak & 24/7 shock and opinions. They are part of the dividers and the problems.... journalism sure isn't what it used 2 be. Check the recruiting board kids!! It's better then spending time on people that keep telling the masses that we have less in common then more. I choose to believe the more camp.
Now get off my lawn!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2020 15:23:27 GMT -8
The press is all about hits on my space, viewers, tik tak & 24/7 shock and opinions. They are part of the dividers and the problems.... journalism sure isn't what it used 2 be. Check the recruiting board kids!! It's better then spending time on people that keep telling the masses that we have less in common then more. I choose to believe the more camp. Now get off my lawn!!! spot on |
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Post by irimi on Jun 17, 2020 15:27:49 GMT -8
Had a teacher who said instead of listening to the news all the time, get your news from Wikipedia. There was a time when Wikipedia was a joke, but in the many years since then, articles have become cleaner and more fact based than any newspaper. Go there. Stay away from Fox, ESPECIALLY if you think it is closer to the center. That shows exactly how far right the right has moved with Trump. Imagine if the Democrats could elect a president as far left as Trump is on the right. How many great things could be accomplished! Green businesses. Renewable energy! Equal pay! Rights for everyone! Freedom FROM religion (YES, that’s part of the BILL of RIGHTS). Then America could be Great Again! Whoa! Some nonsense here. Green businesses and renewable energy are both great and should be encouraged. Two "sentences" later, though. Rights for everyone? When liberals talk about green businesses and renewable energy, they are usually saying that they are taking away economic and property rights. You have to do what is in everyone's best interest. I am all for renewable energy. As Americans, I would posit we should be moving toward the goal of a majority of our energy from non-polluting sources. It is the the speed that we probably disagree on. Freedom FROM religion is not in the BILL of RIGHTS. (With or without weird capitalization.) You have a freedom FROM religious requirements. America was on the path to becoming great again before this whole coronavirus thing. Now China is invading India and taking aggressive action against American ships in the South China Sea. First, you are correct about the first amendment. I am simply misremembering something. That’s OK. It should be in the amendments. Separation of Church and State should be a guiding principle in our governess. After all, we criticize other states that are largely run on religious doctrine. As for my “nonsense.” I don’t believe you have the right to term it such. And certainly you do not speak for the Conservative party since they have increasingly tried to push coal back to the forefront. You may indeed be in favor of these energies, and for that, I salute you. But you are not a majority. Your definition of what makes America “great” and the my definition are two different things. Obviously. |
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Post by irimi on Jun 17, 2020 15:31:19 GMT -8
Never mind. The truth has no lean. I'd stack NPR up against ANY institute regarding reporting facts. The truth. You can't SERIOUSLY say that about fox or oann. I dont watch fox and had never heard of oann until the recent hissy fit So where do you get your news? Or do you bother? Breitbart? Conservative message boards? |
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Post by hottubbeaver on Jun 17, 2020 15:39:44 GMT -8
It's not worth my time to attempt dialogue with someone who's not willing to accept simple historical facts. If not for the record investment and stock market growth since Trump took office, many liberal run states (some close to home wink, wink) PERs plans would have collapsed without MASSIVE tax increases and robbing money from necessary government programs. Trumps economy bailed liberal states out of finding themselves embroiled in bankruptcy and insolvency proceedings. Also, what about those manufacturing jobs Obama said were never coming back t the U.S. without a magic wand? Guess we found one!!! Couple questions, all of these have factual, unpolitical answers: What was the DJIA the day Obama took office? Obama took office January 20th, 2009 (at noon, to be pedantic). DJIA on the closest date of historic average charts (Jan 30, 2009) was 8000.86 What was it the day Obama left office? January 20th, 2017: 19885.73 (Jan 13th, 2017 closest date on average chart) What was the annual average growth of DJIA in that time period? using CAGR (19885.73/8000.86)^(1/7)-1 = 13.9% average annual growth in the DJIA under ObamaWhat was the DJIA the day Trump took office? 19885.73 What is it today? well, lets even be fair. what was it Jan 2020? 29,989.73 the peak at end of January. What was the annual average growth of DJIA in that time period? (28,989.73/19885.73)^(1/3)-1 = 13.4% average annual growth in the DJIA under Trump (not to date, at his peak). Was the average annual growth more, less or basically the same for Obama vs. Trump. Where the circumstances they had the same? Record investment? I provided you the real data on that in another post. Manufacturing jobs? well, lets go to the source: data.bls.gov/pdq/SurveyOutputServletNumber of Manufacturing jobs on Jan 2009 (in thousands): 12,561 Number of Manufacturing jobs on Jan 2017 (in thousands): 12,369 Number of Manufacturing jobs on Jan 2020 (in thousands): 12,884 RUH ROH Obama. we have a net loss. Obama lost 200,000 jobs in 8 years while Trump gained 500,000! Well, yeah, no s%#t. The (second) Great Recession was happening as he took office. It bottomed out barely a year after taking office. and was already falling before he took over, for two years straight even. Manufacturing Jobs Jan 2007: 14008 2008: 13725 2009: 12561 2010: 11,460 (this is the bottom of the recession) When measured from the peak of the recession, only the second year of the Obama administration, Obama gained a net 1.1 million Manufacturing jobs. lets put this to the same annualized growth rate metric. Obama = (12,369/11,460)^(1/6) - 1 = 1.3% average annual growth rate in jobs (measured from the bottom of the recession)Trump = (12884/12369)^(1/3) - 1 = 1.4% average annual growth rate in jobs (excluding post Jan 2020...)I will happily award Trump his mighty 0.1 percentage point victory in gaining manufacturing class jobs in his term, thus saving Oregon from certain PERS disaster. Curious why no mention of Quantitative Easing or Fed interest rate manipulation and their gross impact on the Obama year economic numbers? Let me put this in another way. I have never seen so many help wanted signs on business doors, or good paying job postings as I have in the past couple years. In quite a few years of being in business I have never heard so many employers complaining about having more work to do than manpower to get it done. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jun 17, 2020 15:40:05 GMT -8
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Post by irimi on Jun 17, 2020 15:42:55 GMT -8
Couple questions, all of these have factual, unpolitical answers: What was the DJIA the day Obama took office? Obama took office January 20th, 2009 (at noon, to be pedantic). DJIA on the closest date of historic average charts (Jan 30, 2009) was 8000.86 What was it the day Obama left office? January 20th, 2017: 19885.73 (Jan 13th, 2017 closest date on average chart) What was the annual average growth of DJIA in that time period? using CAGR (19885.73/8000.86)^(1/7)-1 = 13.9% average annual growth in the DJIA under ObamaWhat was the DJIA the day Trump took office? 19885.73 What is it today? well, lets even be fair. what was it Jan 2020? 29,989.73 the peak at end of January. What was the annual average growth of DJIA in that time period? (28,989.73/19885.73)^(1/3)-1 = 13.4% average annual growth in the DJIA under Trump (not to date, at his peak). Was the average annual growth more, less or basically the same for Obama vs. Trump. Where the circumstances they had the same? Record investment? I provided you the real data on that in another post. Manufacturing jobs? well, lets go to the source: data.bls.gov/pdq/SurveyOutputServletNumber of Manufacturing jobs on Jan 2009 (in thousands): 12,561 Number of Manufacturing jobs on Jan 2017 (in thousands): 12,369 Number of Manufacturing jobs on Jan 2020 (in thousands): 12,884 RUH ROH Obama. we have a net loss. Obama lost 200,000 jobs in 8 years while Trump gained 500,000! Well, yeah, no s%#t. The (second) Great Recession was happening as he took office. It bottomed out barely a year after taking office. and was already falling before he took over, for two years straight even. Manufacturing Jobs Jan 2007: 14008 2008: 13725 2009: 12561 2010: 11,460 (this is the bottom of the recession) When measured from the peak of the recession, only the second year of the Obama administration, Obama gained a net 1.1 million Manufacturing jobs. lets put this to the same annualized growth rate metric. Obama = (12,369/11,460)^(1/6) - 1 = 1.3% average annual growth rate in jobs (measured from the bottom of the recession)Trump = (12884/12369)^(1/3) - 1 = 1.4% average annual growth rate in jobs (excluding post Jan 2020...)I will happily award Trump his mighty 0.1 percentage point victory in gaining manufacturing class jobs in his term, thus saving Oregon from certain PERS disaster. Curious why no mention of Quantitative Easing or Fed interest rate manipulation and their gross impact on the Obama year economic numbers? Let me put this in another way. I have never seen so many help wanted signs on business doors, or good paying job postings as I have in the past couple years. In quite a few years of being in business I have never heard so many employers complaining about having more work to do than manpower to get it done. I’m sure this is true in some areas and in certain industries. Let me assure that Mr. Trump’s decisions have impacted my livelihood personally...for the worse. So blow your own horn, but be assured not everybody is celebrating with you. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Jun 17, 2020 15:47:02 GMT -8
Irony? Quoting “The Hollywood Reporter” to defame another media company? Ha ha!
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Post by hottubbeaver on Jun 17, 2020 15:52:01 GMT -8
Curious why no mention of Quantitative Easing or Fed interest rate manipulation and their gross impact on the Obama year economic numbers? Let me put this in another way. I have never seen so many help wanted signs on business doors, or good paying job postings as I have in the past couple years. In quite a few years of being in business I have never heard so many employers complaining about having more work to do than manpower to get it done. I’m sure this is true in some areas and in certain industries. Let me assure that Mr. Trump’s decisions have impacted my livelihood personally...for the worse. So blow your own horn, but be assured not everybody is celebrating with you. What line of work would that be? |
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Post by irimi on Jun 17, 2020 15:52:58 GMT -8
I’m sure this is true in some areas and in certain industries. Let me assure that Mr. Trump’s decisions have impacted my livelihood personally...for the worse. So blow your own horn, but be assured not everybody is celebrating with you. What line of work would that be? I’m in education. Not that it should matter. |
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Post by atownbeaver on Jun 17, 2020 15:58:13 GMT -8
Couple questions, all of these have factual, unpolitical answers: What was the DJIA the day Obama took office? Obama took office January 20th, 2009 (at noon, to be pedantic). DJIA on the closest date of historic average charts (Jan 30, 2009) was 8000.86 What was it the day Obama left office? January 20th, 2017: 19885.73 (Jan 13th, 2017 closest date on average chart) What was the annual average growth of DJIA in that time period? using CAGR (19885.73/8000.86)^(1/7)-1 = 13.9% average annual growth in the DJIA under ObamaWhat was the DJIA the day Trump took office? 19885.73 What is it today? well, lets even be fair. what was it Jan 2020? 29,989.73 the peak at end of January. What was the annual average growth of DJIA in that time period? (28,989.73/19885.73)^(1/3)-1 = 13.4% average annual growth in the DJIA under Trump (not to date, at his peak). Was the average annual growth more, less or basically the same for Obama vs. Trump. Where the circumstances they had the same? Record investment? I provided you the real data on that in another post. Manufacturing jobs? well, lets go to the source: data.bls.gov/pdq/SurveyOutputServletNumber of Manufacturing jobs on Jan 2009 (in thousands): 12,561 Number of Manufacturing jobs on Jan 2017 (in thousands): 12,369 Number of Manufacturing jobs on Jan 2020 (in thousands): 12,884 RUH ROH Obama. we have a net loss. Obama lost 200,000 jobs in 8 years while Trump gained 500,000! Well, yeah, no s%#t. The (second) Great Recession was happening as he took office. It bottomed out barely a year after taking office. and was already falling before he took over, for two years straight even. Manufacturing Jobs Jan 2007: 14008 2008: 13725 2009: 12561 2010: 11,460 (this is the bottom of the recession) When measured from the peak of the recession, only the second year of the Obama administration, Obama gained a net 1.1 million Manufacturing jobs. lets put this to the same annualized growth rate metric. Obama = (12,369/11,460)^(1/6) - 1 = 1.3% average annual growth rate in jobs (measured from the bottom of the recession)Trump = (12884/12369)^(1/3) - 1 = 1.4% average annual growth rate in jobs (excluding post Jan 2020...)I will happily award Trump his mighty 0.1 percentage point victory in gaining manufacturing class jobs in his term, thus saving Oregon from certain PERS disaster. Curious why no mention of Quantitative Easing or Fed interest rate manipulation and their gross impact on the Obama year economic numbers? Let me put this in another way. I have never seen so many help wanted signs on business doors, or good paying job postings as I have in the past couple years. In quite a few years of being in business I have never heard so many employers complaining about having more work to do than manpower to get it done. Because QE from the recession carried through 2018 and we only have one year of "tightening" we haven't actually done that much of it because on March 15th, 2020 the Feds launch a massive new waive of QE... We are in a new recession, right now, the Feds are manipulating interest rates, right now. Will that factor into your final analysis of Trump? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2020 16:02:29 GMT -8
I dont watch fox and had never heard of oann until the recent hissy fit So where do you get your news? Or do you bother? Breitbart? Conservative message boards? I have a Wall Street journal subscription and get a bbc feed. I also watch the local Portland news on occasion to ensure I can make it into and out of the city just in case some morons are blocking the freeway. I’m not familiar with breitbart and really only have this board as well as a neighbor chat board. Where do you get your news? Any suggestions on what I should read or watch? |
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Post by pitbeavs on Jun 17, 2020 16:07:03 GMT -8
Couple questions, all of these have factual, unpolitical answers: What was the DJIA the day Obama took office? Obama took office January 20th, 2009 (at noon, to be pedantic). DJIA on the closest date of historic average charts (Jan 30, 2009) was 8000.86 What was it the day Obama left office? January 20th, 2017: 19885.73 (Jan 13th, 2017 closest date on average chart) What was the annual average growth of DJIA in that time period? using CAGR (19885.73/8000.86)^(1/7)-1 = 13.9% average annual growth in the DJIA under ObamaWhat was the DJIA the day Trump took office? 19885.73 What is it today? well, lets even be fair. what was it Jan 2020? 29,989.73 the peak at end of January. What was the annual average growth of DJIA in that time period? (28,989.73/19885.73)^(1/3)-1 = 13.4% average annual growth in the DJIA under Trump (not to date, at his peak). Was the average annual growth more, less or basically the same for Obama vs. Trump. Where the circumstances they had the same? Record investment? I provided you the real data on that in another post. Manufacturing jobs? well, lets go to the source: data.bls.gov/pdq/SurveyOutputServletNumber of Manufacturing jobs on Jan 2009 (in thousands): 12,561 Number of Manufacturing jobs on Jan 2017 (in thousands): 12,369 Number of Manufacturing jobs on Jan 2020 (in thousands): 12,884 RUH ROH Obama. we have a net loss. Obama lost 200,000 jobs in 8 years while Trump gained 500,000! Well, yeah, no s%#t. The (second) Great Recession was happening as he took office. It bottomed out barely a year after taking office. and was already falling before he took over, for two years straight even. Manufacturing Jobs Jan 2007: 14008 2008: 13725 2009: 12561 2010: 11,460 (this is the bottom of the recession) When measured from the peak of the recession, only the second year of the Obama administration, Obama gained a net 1.1 million Manufacturing jobs. lets put this to the same annualized growth rate metric. Obama = (12,369/11,460)^(1/6) - 1 = 1.3% average annual growth rate in jobs (measured from the bottom of the recession)Trump = (12884/12369)^(1/3) - 1 = 1.4% average annual growth rate in jobs (excluding post Jan 2020...)I will happily award Trump his mighty 0.1 percentage point victory in gaining manufacturing class jobs in his term, thus saving Oregon from certain PERS disaster. Curious why no mention of Quantitative Easing or Fed interest rate manipulation and their gross impact on the Obama year economic numbers? Let me put this in another way. I have never seen so many help wanted signs on business doors, or good paying job postings as I have in the past couple years. In quite a few years of being in business I have never heard so many employers complaining about having more work to do than manpower to get it done. The "help wanted" are for part time or minimum wage jobs. Can't provide for a family that way. But the availability of cheap jobs, a chugging DOW Jones, or the growth of your 401K are the wrong metrics for evaluating the health of the economy. You should get to know the federal treasuries yields and learn what they mean an inversion of the yield curve. When the yield curve inverts [short term notes paying higher yields than long term yields] the economy is weakening and sliding into a recession. The longer the inversion, the longer the recession. The last eight recessions were signaled by inversions of the yield curve. "Curious why no mention of Quantitative Easing or Fed interest rate manipulation and their gross impact on the Obama year economic numbers?" Why should it be mentioned? That's why the Fed was established -- to use various mechanisms of monetary policy to stimulate growth and/or control inflation. The Fed has used one of these methods during every administration since the Fed was created. |
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Post by irimi on Jun 17, 2020 16:27:35 GMT -8
So where do you get your news? Or do you bother? Breitbart? Conservative message boards? I have a Wall Street journal subscription and get a bbc feed. I also watch the local Portland news on occasion to ensure I can make it into and out of the city just in case some morons are blocking the freeway. I’m not familiar with breitbart and really only have this board as well as a neighbor chat board. Where do you get your news? Any suggestions on what I should read or watch? Sorry. I read this after I made my post. I tried to delete it, but didn't know that they had gotten rid of the delete function.
I believe in NPR. I think it is well-balanced.
But I will check the other news outlets on occasion. CNN and Fox (for me) go hand in hand. Both cater to a sensationalized audience. My wife loves the local news programs--I think she has a thing for the weathermen. LOL.
I do not mind that there is Fox News or Breitbart or any of the other stations. I don't like the casual use of the term "Fake News" that has been rampant over the past five years. Especially from elected officials. "Fake News" gives anyone carte blanche to disregard all news that they don't agree with. It is disgusting. It lowers our country to the kind of crap that you find on message boards. Name calling and casting aspersions.
Is this making America a better country? Better than what?
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