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Post by Werebeaver on Jun 10, 2020 18:42:40 GMT -8
Aleah Goodman is her name
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Jun 10, 2020 19:27:04 GMT -8
Great for her! She is definitely an example of what hard work gets you.
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Post by rmancarl on Jun 10, 2020 19:31:20 GMT -8
Yeah, amazing! 3 years! Please don't tell her she be a grad transfer. Let's keep that a secret!
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Jun 10, 2020 19:38:44 GMT -8
Yeah, amazing! 3 years! Please don't tell her she be a grad transfer. Let's keep that a secret! Goodman isn't going anywhere. She is now the face of OSU WBB. Her overall play and leadership will be pivotal in determining how well the Beavs fare in '20-'21. As Goodman goes, so will the team next season.
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Jun 10, 2020 21:28:19 GMT -8
Yeah, amazing! 3 years! Please don't tell her she be a grad transfer. Let's keep that a secret! Goodman isn't going anywhere. She is now the face of OSU WBB. Her overall play and leadership will be pivotal in determining how well the Beavs fare in '20-'21. As Goodman goes, so will the team next season. We are in very capable hands.
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Post by bennyskid on Jun 11, 2020 6:00:01 GMT -8
Syd wasn't a true PG either . . .
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Jun 11, 2020 6:08:41 GMT -8
Pivec wasn't a true PG either, but with her at the helm, the team averaged 18.8 APG, and an A/TO ratio of 1.33.
With a true PG like Slocum at the helm, the team averaged 16.0 APG with an A/TO ratio of 1.28 in season 1 and 16.6 APG with an A/TO ratio of 1.17 in season 2.
I think a lot of us thought the addition of a true PG like Slocum would have made the A/TO ratio increase over Slocum's time, but instead it got worse, but that was likely because of the absence of Gulich in year 1, and then two freshmen at the 4/5 in year 2. Hopefully Jones can dramatically increase her A/TO ratio this season, but Corosdale also had a very good A/TO ratio in her first two seasons, so if she can continue that she will be a helpful facilitator.
It'll be interesting to see what those numbers look like with Goodman handling the PG duties.
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Post by 411500 on Jun 11, 2020 7:26:18 GMT -8
scubasteve's assessment is a bit austere, but he does make a solid point that the Beavs are facing down a serious problem with point guard in the upcoming season...I agree that Goodman is not a "natural", at the point....But, as pointed out by bennyskid, neither was Sydney, or Mik.
The question I have is this: Can the Beavs run a strong offence without a good traditional point guard? Some teams run their offence without a traditional 5, or without a traditional 4 - so, is it feasible to run a good offence without a strong point guard? Some teams like Depaul have 2 or 3 players who play like they are point guards but none who look like a true shooting guard like Goodman...
I'd be interested in hearing from some of you X & O guys....Is a team sunk if they have no strong point guard? GO BEAVS!!
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Jun 11, 2020 7:30:39 GMT -8
Syd wasn't a true PG either . . . However, Sydney could create her own shot off the dribble when she needed to do so. Pivec was a very capable driver and shot over 50% from the field her final two seasons. We have seen opposing defenses smother Goodman out to the perimeter and force her to put the ball on the floor in order to try to create separation. That is the part of Goodman's game that needs to improve significantly or our offensive sets next season will be hampered as she dribbles around too much in an attempt to to initiate the offense or use high screens from the bigs.
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Post by rmancarl on Jun 11, 2020 8:44:16 GMT -8
One thing I forgot to mention in my post on another thread was that in reviewing Beaver WBB videos of past seasons, it was interesting to watch that in 2017-2018 although Pivec was officially the 'point' guard, the ball was in the hands of Katie Mac much of the time, maybe even more so than Pivec, especially once the ball got to the front court. Katie played a huge role in ball handling.
I suspect we will see relief this coming season for Aleah in Sasha Goforth. Yes, she is that talented, but no, she is not a point guard either. Of course it's just my opinion, and you never really know until someone proves it on the court, but I think Sasha comes in as a more talented freshman than Katie was, and Katie played important minutes as a freshman. My first wish would be to bring in a grad transfer point or combo guard, but it doesn't appear the Beavs are serious about any transfer guards (yet). If the Coaches aren't serious about looking for that guard, they must feel pretty good about what they already have. Part of the difference this upcoming season is the height this team will have. The ability to use that height and talent efficiently will make a world of difference for the guards. Although if feels like we are skating on thin ice, I have hopes Aleah, Sasha, Jasmine, and Savannah will provide enough ball skills that the guards can become a position of strength.
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Post by garypayton23 on Jun 11, 2020 9:57:14 GMT -8
She's the only one. Aleah is great. But, she's not a true PG. She's never averaged 30 min/game. And, certainly not those minutes all at the point. Can she handle the PG position? Sure. But, she's never been the only proven option. Plus it does take away from her true strength. And, there is no real backup. Jazz is not and never will be a viable option at the point. A walk on is not going to cut it at this level of play. Neither frosh is a 10+ min solution at that spot. Aleah is a spot up shooter, she comes off screens or finds gaps on the weak side. She rarely creates jump shots off the dribble and that's her key contribution on offense. She scores best when she's not having to dominate the ball. And this team will need her to score! With no true PG, or Pac12 level backup, questions about depth/ contribution at the 5 this team has a lot of unknowns. More than any team in recent history. There are multiple players that must exceed career numbers. All those plus big time contributions from the three newcomers must come together for this squad to even equal last season win total. It'll be very interesting to see how coach/staff handle the team/season. And, to see the progression of the players.
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Post by garypayton23 on Jun 11, 2020 10:03:04 GMT -8
"Not a True PG" ….This couldn't be farther from the truth in my opinion. She is a PG in every way. She is the smartest player on the floor. She knows what every player is doing at all times. A great decision maker and a leader. Coach Rueck has mentioned numerous times of how smart she is on the court.
Not only is calling her "Not a True PG" wrong but it is also laughable.
Maybe your trying to say she is not quick/athletic enough to get around quick defenders. On ball pressure can raddle her a little. This maybe be true but she is and has always been a TRUE POINT GUARD. Just not an overly athletic one.
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Jun 11, 2020 10:13:28 GMT -8
One thing I forgot to mention in my post on another thread was that in reviewing Beaver WBB videos of past seasons, it was interesting to watch that in 2017-2018 although Pivec was officially the 'point' guard, the ball was in the hands of Katie Mac much of the time, maybe even more so than Pivec, especially once the ball got to the front court. Katie played a huge role in ball handling. I suspect we will see relief this coming season for Aleah in Sasha Goforth. Yes, she is that talented, but no, she is not a point guard either. Of course it's just my opinion, and you never really know until someone proves it on the court, but I think Sasha comes in as a more talented freshman than Katie was, and Katie played important minutes as a freshman. My first wish would be to bring in a grad transfer point or combo guard, but it doesn't appear the Beavs are serious about any transfer guards (yet). If the Coaches aren't serious about looking for that guard, they must feel pretty good about what they already have. Part of the difference this upcoming season is the height this team will have. The ability to use that height and talent efficiently will make a world of difference for the guards. Although if feels like we are skating on thin ice, I have hopes Aleah, Sasha, Jasmine, and Savannah will provide enough ball skills that the guards can become a position of strength. McWilliams did a quality job with ballhandling and passing during the '17-'18 season when Pivec was clearly the primary point guard and Goodman was a frosh learning her way. McWilliams also infrequently played the point to allow Pivec to attack from the wing. However, Pivec was the primary point guard and initiated the offense the majority of that season. She averaged 5.0 assists per game at the point during her sophomore season in '17-'18. McWilliams averaged a very respectable 3.8 assists per game that season as the secondary ballhandler. Tudor, Gulich, and Corosdale were the other regular starters in '17-'18, a season in which the Beavs reached the Elite 8 before losing to Louisville.
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Post by 411500 on Jun 11, 2020 10:27:56 GMT -8
garypayton23 - - I think you might want to give yourself a shake. Making the case that Aleah is a true PG is pretty tough. She is cerebral, YES. She has good court awareness, YES. She is a good decision maker, YES. But these qualities, unto themselves, do not make a pure point guard.
A pure point guard must be able to attack off the dribble when she is pressured; she must be able to score when she hits the paint in full flight; she must be able to penetrate and kick..... It's pretty tough to make the case for Aleah on any of these necessary skills for a PG....
I'm a big fan of Aleah Goodman. I admire her game. But admiring her game doesn't make her point guard any more than admiring Taya's game makes her a 5. GO BEAVS!!
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Post by garypayton23 on Jun 11, 2020 11:02:32 GMT -8
My 2 favorite players growing up....Gary Payton and Michael Jordan. Hence the name 'Garypayton23'.
I guess your definition of True Point is different than mine.
I look at a True Point Guard as someone that plays within the system, plays the traditional role of point guard, facilitates the offense and plays quarterback during the game. To me, this description fits Aleah perfectly.
Yes, she lacks quickness and gets flustered with on ball athletic pressure BUT to me she is a TRUE PG. She is much more of a True PG that Destiny was in my opinion. Slocum was a shoot first PG. Which is great and gets the job done but I wouldn't call her a True PG.
There is a reason why Aleah is ALWAYS in at the end of games. Trust. Scott trusts her to make the right read. I am not sure he always trusted Destiny in the same situation.
The difference is Destiny could use her god given talent and figure it out in an untraditional way and get the job done. Things break down and Destiny can still get a good look. Aleah doesn't have that ability. She plays more of a 'TRUE PG' position.
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