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Post by beavs6 on May 31, 2020 7:37:29 GMT -8
Yes, he signed a LOI. he was an early enrollee signing for Oregon on 12/23/19. Oregon would have to formally release him from his LOI. There is none of this "no longer recruiting him" spin. If Oregon formally released Hill in January, that action did not make any news, which is surprising for a 4* CB with offers from Alabama, Clemson, Florida, Michigan, Nebraska, and 17 other D-1 programs. The only news about his release that I can find, say a University of Oregon representative says "Hill was informed he won't be joining the Ducks earlier this Spring". BUT whatevs. honestly this kid is messed up, a gangster wanna be and now he threw his life away over some stupid bulls%#t. It is sad. A letter of intent binds the athlete to the school. It doesn’t mean he will be part of the team. It was signed in December and less than a month later his relationship with Oregon was over. Those are the facts. He no longer had the opportunity to play at Oregon. When you state "Those are the facts" and use statements that are not factual in support, it is difficult for most people to believe you. If a LOI only binds an athlete to a school and not a team, why are the scholarships counted and capped per each team? If Mario has 85 scholarships to give out, and an athlete receives one of those scholarship offers(which is what a LOI locks in) how is that only binding to a school, and not mean the intent is to have that athlete as a member of the team that is offering a finite scholarship they have to offer? And you have not addressed the question asked multiple times...in this day and age of instant news, "fake" news, tweets, FB, instawhatever, multiple BUSINESSES that make $$$ by following major NCAA recruiting-- How does a high profile/recruited/ranked athlete become available in January and NOBODY knows about it? Literally not a peep about the split between the kid and the institution in January, or February, or until the proverbial $#*! hits the fan. Guess I'm not buying the super-secret release from an LOI/removal of a FOOTBALL(the TEAM at uo) that offered said scholarship.
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Post by Werebeaver on May 31, 2020 9:46:00 GMT -8
The false news here is some trying to make this more than it is, because it involves Oregon. LOIs are a contact between the STUDENT/athlete and the SCHOOL. Don't qualify academically you don't get to be part of the team. Period. LOIs and their limitations have zero to do with who the contract is between. Secondly, a regular occurrence for a student athlete to be dropped from entering a school for a transgression. In this case far more serious than most. He was never enrolled in classes, early signee or not. What communications happened privately because of the legal situation you will never know. Just because it was not public fanfare doesn't make it sinister. Funny, Oregon allowed known offenders to be accepted into school and the hoops program. DA recruited, but it's the school who has the final say. Oregon and DA rightfully chastised. Now they do the correct thing and morale police here find fault because it doesn't fit their skewed belief system. Those here have zero clue on the inner workings of the what and when but try as hard as they may to make this a cheating uck story. The only ones I've seen to play judge and jury on such a petty issue. And, in back posts, it is funny one of those crying the loudest is a state employee. Cuz we all know how every dept there is on the up and up, public about all their mistakes! But here, bottom line, no mistake. Oregon canceled their relationship with the kid. Hey scuba. Check your oxygen. I think you're hyperventilating.
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Post by TheGlove on May 31, 2020 10:50:56 GMT -8
A letter of intent binds the athlete to the school. It doesn’t mean he will be part of the team. It was signed in December and less than a month later his relationship with Oregon was over. Those are the facts. He no longer had the opportunity to play at Oregon. When you state "Those are the facts" and use statements that are not factual in support, it is difficult for most people to believe you. If a LOI only binds an athlete to a school and not a team, why are the scholarships counted and capped per each team? If Mario has 85 scholarships to give out, and an athlete receives one of those scholarship offers(which is what a LOI locks in) how is that only binding to a school, and not mean the intent is to have that athlete as a member of the team that is offering a finite scholarship they have to offer? And you have not addressed the question asked multiple times...in this day and age of instant news, "fake" news, tweets, FB, instawhatever, multiple BUSINESSES that make $$$ by following major NCAA recruiting-- How does a high profile/recruited/ranked athlete become available in January and NOBODY knows about it? Literally not a peep about the split between the kid and the institution in January, or February, or until the proverbial $#*! hits the fan. Guess I'm not buying the super-secret release from an LOI/removal of a FOOTBALL(the TEAM at uo) that offered said scholarship. Great post.
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Post by TheGlove on May 31, 2020 10:53:02 GMT -8
Today I learned that LOIs are to the school, not the sport.
Is the Dean of English offering full rides to cornerbacks too?
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Post by beavs6 on May 31, 2020 12:55:20 GMT -8
OK Steve...I have a few minutes to spare on a Sunday. I will type slowly:
"LOIs are a contact between the STUDENT/athlete and the SCHOOL. Don't qualify academically you don't get to be part of the team. Period. LOIs and their limitations have zero to do with who the contract is between." There is some/partial truth in here. But try this. Earn a scholarship offer from uo in football(we are talking athletic scholarships here, not academic ones) and sign your LOI in December. Have no contact...or talk every day...to the coaches of the athletic program between said signing AND become admitted to uo. Show up in the 3rd week of September. Never partake in any FOOTBALL activity and tell me how long your LOI/Scholarship will last, since it is with the school.
"But here, bottom line, no mistake. Oregon canceled their relationship with the kid." I don't think anyone is argueing whether uo dropped the kid or not. What is being argued is WHEN they dropped him. Mario states January. bspp has espoysed to believe this statement. You seem to be getting a bit riled for what reason I cannot tell. "Now they do the correct thing and morale police here find fault because it doesn't fit their skewed belief system. Those here have zero clue on the inner workings of the what and when but try as hard as they may to make this a cheating uck story. The only ones I've seen to play judge and jury on such a petty issue." "Now they do the correct thing..."Now.." It is the NOW that I don't agree with. NOW...as in May or January as Mario stated. I don't think the kid should go to uo and props to them for not trying to let the kid go to Eugene by interferring with the DA's office in Maryland to get him eligle---or set free.(Yes, that is a jab at uo) I call BS that a 4 star kid could be dropped by a school (if he didn't make it into uo, why no information regarding a JC of some kind?) Or from a football team. No recruiting by another Div I school? If Mario cut ties in January...there would be some sort of information out in the INTERNET WORLD in January.
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Post by spudbeaver on Jun 1, 2020 9:21:26 GMT -8
The false news here is some trying to make this more than it is, because it involves Oregon. LOIs are a contact between the STUDENT/athlete and the SCHOOL. Don't qualify academically you don't get to be part of the team. Period. LOIs and their limitations have zero to do with who the contract is between. Secondly, a regular occurrence for a student athlete to be dropped from entering a school for a transgression. In this case far more serious than most. He was never enrolled in classes, early signee or not. What communications happened privately because of the legal situation you will never know. Just because it was not public fanfare doesn't make it sinister. Keeping certain things quiet is beneficial to both sides in some cases. Other schools could also know info and not have a need to make it public. Many prospects and schools don't publicize every detail. It's often rumour or the word of a recruiting site on offers being made. Some never were made. The point, not all recruiting info is subject to public fanfare. Funny, Oregon allowed known offenders to be accepted into school and the hoops program. DA recruited, but it's the school who has the final say. Oregon and DA rightfully chastised. Now they do the correct thing and morale police here find fault because it doesn't fit their skewed belief system. Those here have zero clue on the inner workings of the what and when but try as hard as they may to make this a cheating uck story. The only ones I've seen to play judge and jury on such a petty issue. And, in back posts, it is funny one of those crying the loudest is a state employee. Cuz we all know how every dept there is on the up and up, public about all their mistakes! But here, bottom line, no mistake. Oregon canceled their relationship with the kid. And yet through 3 pages, and numerous requests, not one person has been able to post an actual news item substantiating the Duck's story. Until then I'll stick with my original thought that they are full of it. If I'm wrong I'll admit it. I need more than semi-bitter Duck posters (not you) telling me that these are the facts. Sorry!
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Post by sagebrush on Jun 1, 2020 9:57:04 GMT -8
I really do get your point. But, when you do a press release, someone is going to ask WHY. The answer to that can be real tricky when the WHY is a phone call from a trusted source and you are dealing with a minor. Quiet sometimes just works better.
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Post by atownbeaver on Jun 1, 2020 9:57:29 GMT -8
The false news here is some trying to make this more than it is, because it involves Oregon. LOIs are a contact between the STUDENT/athlete and the SCHOOL. Don't qualify academically you don't get to be part of the team. Period. LOIs and their limitations have zero to do with who the contract is between. Secondly, a regular occurrence for a student athlete to be dropped from entering a school for a transgression. In this case far more serious than most. He was never enrolled in classes, early signee or not. What communications happened privately because of the legal situation you will never know. Just because it was not public fanfare doesn't make it sinister. Keeping certain things quiet is beneficial to both sides in some cases. Other schools could also know info and not have a need to make it public. Many prospects and schools don't publicize every detail. It's often rumour or the word of a recruiting site on offers being made. Some never were made. The point, not all recruiting info is subject to public fanfare. Funny, Oregon allowed known offenders to be accepted into school and the hoops program. DA recruited, but it's the school who has the final say. Oregon and DA rightfully chastised. Now they do the correct thing and morale police here find fault because it doesn't fit their skewed belief system. Those here have zero clue on the inner workings of the what and when but try as hard as they may to make this a cheating uck story. The only ones I've seen to play judge and jury on such a petty issue. And, in back posts, it is funny one of those crying the loudest is a state employee. Cuz we all know how every dept there is on the up and up, public about all their mistakes! But here, bottom line, no mistake. Oregon canceled their relationship with the kid. All of this to be a huge swing and a miss on what the conversation is. Everybody knows Oregon dropped the kid... At some point. The "spin" being put on by Oregon is that they dropped him months before his transgressions. Ironically, nobody really would of batted an eye had this kid got arrested and Oregon just says "We are rescinding our offer" most people would nod their heads and say, "good". It got weird because in Oregon's attempt to distance themselves from Hill, this narrative came out that Oregon really dumped him months back. Now that IS weird because, as it has been said a dozen times already but somehow isn't clicking, is how does a 4* corner back with over 20 offers including the most prominent schools in the nation in Alabama and Clemson, get dumped by Oregon and it doesn't hit twitter or any social media whatsoever? That is the unbelievable part. If in that ESPN article Oregon just said "we have rescinded his offer". I do not think there is 3 pages of conversation about it here. Oregon created a conspiracy when there was none, and all of us bored quarantined off season suffers have nothing better to do than notice that irregularity.
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Post by gordonshumway on Jun 1, 2020 11:30:44 GMT -8
The false news here is some trying to make this more than it is, because it involves Oregon. LOIs are a contact between the STUDENT/athlete and the SCHOOL. Don't qualify academically you don't get to be part of the team. Period. LOIs and their limitations have zero to do with who the contract is between. Secondly, a regular occurrence for a student athlete to be dropped from entering a school for a transgression. In this case far more serious than most. He was never enrolled in classes, early signee or not. What communications happened privately because of the legal situation you will never know. Just because it was not public fanfare doesn't make it sinister. Keeping certain things quiet is beneficial to both sides in some cases. Other schools could also know info and not have a need to make it public. Many prospects and schools don't publicize every detail. It's often rumour or the word of a recruiting site on offers being made. Some never were made. The point, not all recruiting info is subject to public fanfare. Funny, Oregon allowed known offenders to be accepted into school and the hoops program. DA recruited, but it's the school who has the final say. Oregon and DA rightfully chastised. Now they do the correct thing and morale police here find fault because it doesn't fit their skewed belief system. Those here have zero clue on the inner workings of the what and when but try as hard as they may to make this a cheating uck story. The only ones I've seen to play judge and jury on such a petty issue. And, in back posts, it is funny one of those crying the loudest is a state employee. Cuz we all know how every dept there is on the up and up, public about all their mistakes! But here, bottom line, no mistake. Oregon canceled their relationship with the kid. All of this to be a huge swing and a miss on what the conversation is. Everybody knows Oregon dropped the kid... At some point. The "spin" being put on by Oregon is that they dropped him months before his transgressions. Ironically, nobody really would of batted an eye had this kid got arrested and Oregon just says "We are rescinding our offer" most people would nod their heads and say, "good". It got weird because in Oregon's attempt to distance themselves from Hill, this narrative came out that Oregon really dumped him months back. Now that IS weird because, as it has been said a dozen times already but somehow isn't clicking, is how does a 4* corner back with over 20 offers including the most prominent schools in the nation in Alabama and Clemson, get dumped by Oregon and it doesn't hit twitter or any social media whatsoever?That is the unbelievable part. If in that ESPN article Oregon just said "we have rescinded his offer". I do not think there is 3 pages of conversation about it here. Oregon created a conspiracy when there was none, and all of us bored quarantined off season suffers have nothing better to do than notice that irregularity. Long time lurker, first time poster here.... I think the issue for some is that, if you are a casual reader of OLive, you tend to see ten or twelve breathless articles from Crapea and Nemec about random things like "What they're saying nationally" about what Hebert had for breakfast, what the latest 4* recruit is posting on the Twitter about the duckies, if Cristobal had more than one bowel movement, etc. And yet somehow these duck reporters, with their finger on the pulse of everything ducky (and probably a few peeping tom cameras outside the Casanova Center), failed to even mention that this highly sought after 4* recruit had been dropped months ago. I too, find it a bit fishy. Regardless, I think it's typical of how they operate so I'm not too shocked.
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Post by spudbeaver on Jun 1, 2020 12:13:03 GMT -8
I really do get your point. But, when you do a press release, someone is going to ask WHY. The answer to that can be real tricky when the WHY is a phone call from a trusted source and you are dealing with a minor. Quiet sometimes just works better. I wouldn't expect them to put out a press release. Maybe just a low profile announcement from them buried in one of their many social media forums. I'm also looking for something from the kid. Any one of dozens of other schools that were recruiting him before he committed to Oregon. Anything. Twitter, Instagram, Fb, Scout, 24/7, Bleacher Report, ESPN, dude's hometown paper, anything. Crickets....
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jun 1, 2020 12:30:07 GMT -8
If it was any other school it wasn't even worth a comment.
Well no kidding, Mr. Sea Hunt. You think maybe it's because they are our in-state rival school?
You think Auburn and Alabama have more back-and-forth than say, Auburn and Vandy? Or Alabama and Arkansas?
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Post by Werebeaver on Jun 3, 2020 7:17:09 GMT -8
All of this to be a huge swing and a miss on what the conversation is. Everybody knows Oregon dropped the kid... At some point. The "spin" being put on by Oregon is that they dropped him months before his transgressions. Ironically, nobody really would of batted an eye had this kid got arrested and Oregon just says "We are rescinding our offer" most people would nod their heads and say, "good". It got weird because in Oregon's attempt to distance themselves from Hill, this narrative came out that Oregon really dumped him months back. Now that IS weird because, as it has been said a dozen times already but somehow isn't clicking, is how does a 4* corner back with over 20 offers including the most prominent schools in the nation in Alabama and Clemson, get dumped by Oregon and it doesn't hit twitter or any social media whatsoever? That is the unbelievable part. If in that ESPN article Oregon just said "we have rescinded his offer". I do not think there is 3 pages of conversation about it here. Oregon created a conspiracy when there was none, and all of us bored quarantined off season suffers have nothing better to do than notice that irregularity. Only those with irrational uck bias made it worth three pages. Multiple comments here stated it was no big deal. And, if course the hypocrisy of the thought process involved. So if Oregon has such a Nike influenced national power base of influence, and Oregon publications are bias toward Oregon, pretty easy to see how this wasn't publicized earlier. And, in light of the type of recruit why would other schools react to what wasn't known? Again, on top of all of that recruiting visits, actual offers, and releases aren't always made public. In fact some are BS and completely unverified when published by sites. Irregularity or not. If it was any other school it wasn't even worth a comment. But, justify and rationalize all you want. It was hate on Oregon pure and simple. The severity if the crime - Attempted First Degree Murder - was also a major factor. Making it eminently worthy of comment.
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Post by ee1990 on Jun 3, 2020 17:04:08 GMT -8
Are Boston College, Colorado, Maryland, UMass, Michigan, Missouri, Nebraska, Rutgers, Syracuse, Temple, Virginia, Virginia Tech and a dozen others also "Convict U"?
Just checking.
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Post by Werebeaver on Jun 3, 2020 17:42:02 GMT -8
Are Boston College, Colorado, Maryland, UMass, Michigan, Missouri, Nebraska, Rutgers, Syracuse, Temple, Virginia, Virginia Tech and a dozen others also "Convict U"? Just checking. Going rhetorical on us.
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Post by ee1990 on Jun 3, 2020 18:18:16 GMT -8
Are Boston College, Colorado, Maryland, UMass, Michigan, Missouri, Nebraska, Rutgers, Syracuse, Temple, Virginia, Virginia Tech and a dozen others also "Convict U"? Just checking. Going rhetorical on us. Sorry, I forgot. Duck bad all things. Beaver good all things. No think. Just fan.
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