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Post by dryside on Apr 18, 2020 6:36:08 GMT -8
No,recruiting JC and Grad transfers is not something new,but I see a change in direction with this recruiting class. You can speculate all you want as to why so many fresh faces are appearing on scene.I think this signals Tinkle and staff are going all in and looking to change with the times.Altman has been doing this for some time now.Tinkle has been reluctant to add so many transfer role players with having 3 family starters for a number of years. What is happening now will become the norm in Corvallis going forward.Maybe he feels the heat to show some post season results?Maybe he can't recruit enough top young HS talent to make a serious run year in and year out?I won't say he can't develop because I'm not in his shoes.I just go by what I see. Transfers have become a game changer to programs no matter the route they take.We have one HS player coming in.I don't expect we will see that changing much from here on.Maturity and physicality and of course talent are what helps you compete...now....
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Post by sagebrush on Apr 18, 2020 7:17:33 GMT -8
Having all those coaches' kids devastated recruiting and building. Think about it. At the 1,2,3 there are 120 minutes a game. The coaches' kids are going to get 90-100 of them. You want me to come in with 2 or 3 other guys to compete for the dregs. No thanks. Even if I'm a big, I know where the ball is going to be most of the time and it ain't going to be in my vicinity. Now, Tinkle has no choice but to go the JC route to get some older, more experienced players. Next couple years is make or break.
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Post by shelby on Apr 18, 2020 7:29:22 GMT -8
At the same time , look at phil's playground down South and it seems like Altman never did get these types of players , combined with some 5 star one and dines to mesh until late in almost every season. That can be a good thing for OSU , but , if it's tough for Dana - how is Wayne going to make it work ?
I do like to see things being changed up though - since we are through the legacy group - for the most part !
This will definitely be a challenge to the coaching staff . What changes are in store for the staff itself ?
Will we even be playing ball !
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Post by qbeaver on Apr 18, 2020 8:00:54 GMT -8
Certainly,Jonathan in football has added some very talented players who would not normally give osu a sniff out of high school. There is no reason Wayne can't use the same approach. Prospects coming out of high school have stars in their eyes,but after a year or two,their eyes are opened a bit,and just want an opportunity to show their skills and the right fit.
I know it's got to be impossible for this staff balancing so many interests coaching their son's and trying to put together a team in the process. Tres,Ethan,and Stevie are going to eat up 100 minutes a game,and Ethan and Tres getting 70 minutes last year. No one else has a chance to steal minutes from them regardless of how good they play.
I do think Wayne can coach...he has shown that without getting 4 star talent at Montana. You don't go 34-2 in conference two out of your last years by just rolling the ball out and letting the guys play. I don't think Tres,Ethan,and Stevie are his kind of players he won with at Montana. Hard nosed overachievers are the type of kids he can win with at osu....not soft 4* players.
Happy to see us get athletic long kids who can defend,shoot the three and match up with Pac-12 athletes. We haven't gotten those type of athletes in the past. I don't know if these guys can play,but I have hope going forward...
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Post by babeav on Apr 18, 2020 8:51:45 GMT -8
Looking forward to seeing what these new guys are made of, doubt that will happen in 2020 but maybe sometime after the first of the year. Going to be a little weird driving to Corvo for MBB and baseball during the spring......
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Post by beaverstever on Apr 18, 2020 11:55:53 GMT -8
A few things that runs through my head:
- Wayne is in the show-me stage of his tenure at OSU, probably both for himself and his boss. That doesn't lend itself to recruiting kids that need 3 years to develop
- He's had a lot of wiffs with his recruiting out of HS, both in terms of kids leaving and not panning out. Transfers are a lot easier to project
- Two of the most influential players he's had on his teams have been JC transfers in GPII and KK that didn't look like much coming in.
I agree the coaches kid situation would look unattractive to kids coming in looking for minutes, and it's almost like he's flipping that on it's head. Minutes are pretty much wide open next year, so any recruit can think he's going to come get them next season.
I like the change in general, but my concern is that getting kids to mesh is very hard. Altman has been able to do that pretty consistently, but he's also proven he's good at it for a long time. I would not put getting teams to gel as one of Tinkle's strengths to lean on ... so we'll see. Glad to see something of a plan taking shape, at least!
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Post by fridaynightlights on Apr 18, 2020 13:54:53 GMT -8
Whether it is HS recruits or the transfer market it still comes down to the quality of the incoming player. Players by and large want to go someplace where they can get playing time, be developed and win. WT can promise them minutes, but until he proves he can develop players and win it is going to be a tough sell. The majority of recruits WT has brought in during his tenure were not recruited by other P5 schools.
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Post by beaverinohio on Apr 19, 2020 14:59:27 GMT -8
Not the best year to be bringing in this many transfers that you hope to contribute what with likely no summer practices. I expect the team to finish in the bottom half of the conference, but who knows. I think the athleticism is improved, so if WT can get buy in they could be fun to watch.
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Post by osubeaver2018 on Apr 19, 2020 15:11:07 GMT -8
A few things that runs through my head: - Wayne is in the show-me stage of his tenure at OSU, probably both for himself and his boss. That doesn't lend itself to recruiting kids that need 3 years to develop - He's had a lot of wiffs with his recruiting out of HS, both in terms of kids leaving and not panning out. Transfers are a lot easier to project - Two of the most influential players he's had on his teams have been JC transfers in GPII and KK that didn't look like much coming in. I agree the coaches kid situation would look unattractive to kids coming in looking for minutes, and it's almost like he's flipping that on it's head. Minutes are pretty much wide open next year, so any recruit can think he's going to come get them next season. I like the change in general, but my concern is that getting kids to mesh is very hard. Altman has been able to do that pretty consistently, but he's also proven he's good at it for a long time. I would not put getting teams to gel as one of Tinkle's strengths to lean on ... so we'll see. Glad to see something of a plan taking shape, at least! Well thought out and objective. Very truthful. I'd only add that Wayne hasn't had much luck with his JC kids either. He'll need these guys to all be average to above contributors to be about 50% on JCs. Unless for those who consider 5 and 3 types (or less) as successes. But, totally agree that this sudden move toward JCs is one predicated on a quick fix. Also agree it'll be interesting to see if he can get JCs to mesh with the returners. I'm more interested to see how the roster is going to shake out with the addition of 5 guys for next year. Still haven't heard anything on who (or if?) anyone is leaving. ET coming off scholly would make sense but is that even something that players have done in the past, with any program? Even with that it would still leave us 1 over the limit. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Apr 19, 2020 15:20:50 GMT -8
Well thought out and objective. Very truthful. I'd only add that Wayne hasn't had much luck with his JC kids either. He'll need these guys to all be average to above contributors to be about 50% on JCs. Unless for those who consider 5 and 3 types (or less) as successes. But, totally agree that this sudden move toward JCs is one predicated on a quick fix. Also agree it'll be interesting to see if he can get JCs to mesh with the returners. I'm more interested to see how the roster is going to shake out with the addition of 5 guys for next year. Still haven't heard anything on who (or if?) anyone is leaving. ET coming off scholly would make sense but is that even something that players have done in the past, with any program? Even with that it would still leave us 1 over the limit. Several coaches, even some at major schools, have taken their own kids off scholarships to free up a spot. We're only 1 over right now, one of the new signees will likely have to sit next year out. |
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Post by fridaynightlights on Apr 19, 2020 16:19:30 GMT -8
I can not remember a player who put his name in for the draft evaluation and ended up staying in school to not leave after the next season. I expect ET to go pro, although he is probably not NBA ready. IMO staying in school another year will not significantly help his professional stock.
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Post by beaverinohio on Apr 19, 2020 17:00:32 GMT -8
I can not remember a player who put his name in for the draft evaluation and ended up staying in school to not leave after the next season. I expect ET to go pro, although he is probably not NBA ready. IMO staying in school another year will not significantly help his professional stock. Coronavirus has changed things a bit. With all the uncertainty about NBA season and draft as well as foreign leagues and NCAA, Ethan has a tough decision. That decision is made even tougher by the fact that he can’t declare again and pull out (at least I don’t believe he can).. I thing he would definitely declare if that wasn’t the case, but I’d say 50-50 now. But with the signings sure seems like Ethan might be gone. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Apr 19, 2020 17:02:11 GMT -8
I can not remember a player who put his name in for the draft evaluation and ended up staying in school to not leave after the next season. I expect ET to go pro, although he is probably not NBA ready. IMO staying in school another year will not significantly help his professional stock. Pretty sure Stephen went to evaluation and then stayed 2 years. Both kids are bright kids, Ethan may still want to stay and work on things as well. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Apr 19, 2020 20:40:19 GMT -8
I can not remember a player who put his name in for the draft evaluation and ended up staying in school to not leave after the next season. I expect ET to go pro, although he is probably not NBA ready. IMO staying in school another year will not significantly help his professional stock. Pretty sure Stephen went to evaluation and then stayed 2 years. Both kids are bright kids, Ethan may still want to stay and work on things as well. Yeah, Stevie declared in both 2017 and 2018, but he withdrew his name both times. |
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Post by beaverinohio on Apr 20, 2020 13:15:42 GMT -8
Pretty sure Stephen went to evaluation and then stayed 2 years. Both kids are bright kids, Ethan may still want to stay and work on things as well. Yeah, Stevie declared in both 2017 and 2018, but he withdrew his name both times. Are you sure about 2018? I thought you could only withdraw once and I know he declared in 2017. Couldn’t find anything about him declaring in 2018, though I didn’t look too hard. |
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