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Post by beaverintheberg on Apr 6, 2016 9:46:49 GMT -8
How in the world did this series come about??
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Post by beaver1989 on Apr 6, 2016 18:38:18 GMT -8
They were good in 2013 and won 3 games in the Starkville Regional. |
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Post by mainbeaver1 on Apr 8, 2016 6:52:14 GMT -8
Its a no win situation. If we beat them its "So what", If we lose to the its "You lost to them?".
I don't know why we schedule these teams. They fill the schedule I guess and maybe its tough to get good teams to come here. In past years I recall we have swept visiting teams from faraway like Maine and Grambling......wins that impress no one.
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Post by ochobeavo on Apr 8, 2016 7:12:48 GMT -8
The issue is having an 11 team conference, leaving 1 team to fill a weekend in late March/April/May. Not many candidates out there who are free, willing and able to make the trip out here. Hence - Texas State, Northern Illinois, Cal Poly, Central Arkansas. Think those have been our "bye week" opponents that last 4 seasons.
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Post by baseba1111 on Apr 8, 2016 7:26:27 GMT -8
Win your league games and NL games you 'supposed to' and it doesn't matter. Finish in the middle (5-7th... can't see that happening?!) of the Pac12 standings it will. But, really this league is well respected as far as regional hosting, so the key for this team is to develop arms/confidence, tighten the D, improve dramatically in executing small ball, and being playing their best ball by the middle/end of May. There are no "gimmes" with this group. Every series will be a battle to sustain and improve. So any chance to play 9 is an opportunity for development.
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Post by Snafu on Apr 8, 2016 7:51:59 GMT -8
Well respected?? Beavs were second in league last year and sent packing to Dallas last year as a 2 seed.
Is that your definition of well respected??
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Post by baseba1111 on Apr 8, 2016 8:12:02 GMT -8
Well respected?? Beavs were second in league last year and sent packing to Dallas last year as a 2 seed. Is that your definition of well respected?? And... what happened? Seems the seeding was valid looking at the results? If you can't get out of a regional (go 1-2 and score 2 runs the last 18 innings) you deserved to host?? I thought we got put in a reasonable regional. VCU was good, but not an intimidating team. I thought our league was relatively weak last year and got some seeds that were actually undeserving... did one Pac 11 team advance?  Six of 11 in, but 10-12 overall, and ZERO advanced... while (5) other non-hosting teams did. Including (3) #3's and a #4 seed. And I believe Virginia was a #3 and won it all... going 10-2 down the stretch. UCLA #1 (3-2) OSU #2 (1-2) ASU #2 (1-2) USC #2 (2-2) CAL #3 (2-2) ucks #3(1-2) Overall the Pac 11 is well thought of and has a tremendous lineage in the tourney... finish in top 4-5 you get a chance to go to Omaha. All you can ask... hosting is a "committee thing", never assured and is "gravy". If you're good, you have to win on the road eventually. |
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Post by beavheart on Apr 8, 2016 9:04:23 GMT -8
I'm not sure about the "respect" you speak of baseba11. Have you seen the latest regional projections? D1baseball gave one national seed to the Pac (Cal) and have us on the road as a 2 seed to Utah and 1 seed BYU. Meanwhile, the SEC has 4 national seeds, and will get 5 or 6 host sites. Again. Like they have been given for years now. They also routinely get 8 to 10 of their 14 team league placed in the post season. The Pac is lucky to get half our conference in. I don't need to look it up to know that the Pac12 has never come anywhere close to placing 75% of the conference in the post season. I would be interested to see just how the SEC did in relation to the win totals you showed for last year - keeping in mind that it makes just a little bit of a difference in whether you win or lose when you are shipped to the other side of the country, versus playing in your own park and sleeping in your own bed, in your own timezone.
Or the year before. I seem to remember a good portion of their "incredibly, amazing, so much better than everyone else conference" flopping in the post season just as much as the Pac did, and yet somehow those results seem to just get swept under the rug. The next year? The media gushes again about the pre-season "amazing talent and teams" in the SEC and ACC south, and crowns those leagues before the season even begins. Year after year, the RPI spews out the same numbers - 5 games into the season, the die is already cast as the vast majority of the SEC and ACC are already treading water in the top half of the ratings while they beat up on directional schools at home, and NOBODY holds their feet to the fire for it, or addresses a metric that is clearly working against teams that either have to travel early in the season, or aren't surrounded by a bevy of second tier baseball programs.
Worse yet, we end up with our own fans regurgitating the same thought process in the name of being "even handed" or "not a homer" simply because we are all being beat over the head with a narrative that is, at best, only partially based on reality. Both the past results, and what is really going on in the sport do not support such a disparity in how the Pac is "respected" relative to the other "big dog" conferences. Bottom line, the media plays to the crowd. As far as they know, the crowd is in the south, and we are busy surfing and smoking ganga out west. Believe it, were it not for the winning ways of our conference in the post season - 4 to the SEC's 5 or ACC's 2 NC's since 2000 - the Pac-12 would be regarded at the same level as the WCC or worse and would be treated as such. If being "respected" means being systematically relegated to "runner-up" status, then that is "respect" I can do without.
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Post by Snafu on Apr 8, 2016 9:09:45 GMT -8
Well respected?? Beavs were second in league last year and sent packing to Dallas last year as a 2 seed. Is that your definition of well respected?? And... what happened? Seems the seeding was valid looking at the results? If you can't get out of a regional (go 1-2 and score 2 runs the last 18 innings) you deserved to host?? I thought we got put in a reasonable regional. VCU was good, but not an intimidating team. I thought our league was relatively weak last year and got some seeds that were actually undeserving... did one Pac 11 team advance? Six of 11 in, but 10-12 overall, and ZERO advanced... while (5) other non-hosting teams did. Including (3) #3's and a #4 seed. And I believe Virginia was a #3 and won it all... going 10-2 down the stretch. UCLA #1 (3-2) OSU #2 (1-2) ASU #2 (1-2) USC #2 (2-2) CAL #3 (2-2) ucks #3(1-2) Overall the Pac 11 is well thought of and has a tremendous lineage in the tourney... finish in top 4-5 you get a chance to go to Omaha. All you can ask... hosting is a "committee thing", never assured and is "gravy". If you're good, you have to win on the road eventually. |
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Post by Snafu on Apr 8, 2016 9:13:51 GMT -8
Sure, it seems valid now in the rear view mirror.
At the time of the selection announcements, there sure didn't seem to be all that much respect that you are touting.
Beavs deserved to host last year and I would argue that we would have gone to a super regional out of Corvallis.
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Post by beaverintheberg on Apr 8, 2016 9:45:38 GMT -8
The post season is such a crap shoot. Really hard to read too much in the results. Work to get in and then see what happens!
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Post by baseba1111 on Apr 8, 2016 11:14:13 GMT -8
Seems weird the perception is that the Pac 11 does not get respect in D1 baseball. My belief it may be the sport we get the most respect nationwide. Pac 11 teams have won 4 of the last 10 titles. After having only 1 title in the previous 17 years before 2006, however we basically "owned D1 baseball" before that with like 23 titles in 41 years for current Pac 11 schools.
I could care less about seeding, that is a committee. If a Pac 11 team is in your regional they are a threat to win it all...
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Post by blackbug on Apr 8, 2016 16:03:23 GMT -8
So you could say that the Pac 12 is respected in baseball except in comparison to 2 conferences that are comparatively favored over everyone else.
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Post by obf on Apr 11, 2016 8:23:29 GMT -8
Complain about scheduling UCA all you want, but they gave us a hell of a fight... especially those first two games. Don't be fooled, that was NOT an easy series sweep. It was well fought and that was a good team we just brushed...
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Post by obf on Apr 11, 2016 9:09:41 GMT -8
Especially that Montalvo kid... He was constantly a pain in the Beavers sides!
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Six of 11 in, but 10-12 overall, and ZERO advanced... while (5) other non-hosting teams did. Including (3) #3's and a #4 seed. And I believe Virginia was a #3 and won it all... going 10-2 down the stretch.
