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Post by beaverinohio on Apr 1, 2020 13:56:10 GMT -8
Beavs have recently offered SF/PF Maurice Calloo and SG Tariq Silver. The 6-5 Silver originally signed with E. Michigan and played one year there. He’s a shooter — 45.5 from 3 and 49.3 overall — who averaged 12.2 ppg, 4.2 rog and 1.8 apg. Ranked at #25 in JUCO
Maurice Calloo originally signed with OK St and was dismissed from the team due to a vandalism charge. Stats aren’t real impressive at JUCO this year, though he was at Indian Hills (30-3 and one of favorites to win it all). He averaged 9.1 ppg, 3.9 rpg and shot 45.6/35.1. He’s more a wing than a 4 even though he’s 6-8. Ranked #65. Calloo is from Canada so maybe a Vernon connection. I also remember him from his HS recruitment because Illinois was in on him. Believe he was a mid-3*.
Both players would help the Beavs in area of need — offense. No idea other offers they may have or the chances of landing them.
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Post by beaverintheberg on Apr 1, 2020 18:44:06 GMT -8
They both seem kind of underwhelming... I mean, add them up and they averaged 20 pts, 8 rebounds, 8 assists.. at JUCO...
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Post by baseba1111 on Apr 1, 2020 19:13:41 GMT -8
With last year's returners, and these 3, juco central The possibility of 7 JCs if all show/return and not sure they averaged 30/12 together!?
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Apr 2, 2020 4:41:59 GMT -8
With last year's returners, and these 3, juco central The possibility of 7 JCs if all show/return and not sure they averaged 30/12 together!? That’d be approaching twice the output of all the players Tinkle inherited from Robinson. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2020 7:34:36 GMT -8
With last year's returners, and these 3, juco central The possibility of 7 JCs if all show/return and not sure they averaged 30/12 together!? That’d be approaching twice the output of all the players Tinkle inherited from Robinson. Oh you mean output played in D1 games and not JUCO ball? Forget shelter in home, you obviously need some fresh air |
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Post by baseba1111 on Apr 2, 2020 9:03:05 GMT -8
That’d be approaching twice the output of all the players Tinkle inherited from Robinson. Oh you mean output played in D1 games and not JUCO ball? Forget shelter in home, you obviously need some fresh air Really, really hung up on the weird defense of WT, even when there is no mention of him. Nor was it implied! Funny, how recruiting JC kids is somehow remotely similar to inherited D1 players who were part of the best season in the last 30. Having possibly 7 JC's on a roster seems a sudden turn. If Calloo (F) and Silver (G) accept as right now there is no schollies to offer after signing Johnson and Andela committing. Meaning Dastrup and/or Potts, or ? are gone, or pulling offer to Andela. Plus there were reports a week ago OSU had interest in guards Matthew Moyer, Cameron Parker. Also interest in guards Devin Gage and Isiah Brown. Why the sudden interest in so many JCs/grad transfers losing only two players? Why so many guards when losing two front court players? Yet only having (1) HS signed in a class. Hmmmmm. Recruiting so many JC/transfers seemed to be a big issue on this board when another, far more successful coach did it. Even though they also landed 4* HS kids. Plus one with issues bad enough to be booted from the team. Hmmmmm |
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Post by Judge Smails on Apr 2, 2020 10:12:20 GMT -8
Oh you mean output played in D1 games and not JUCO ball? Forget shelter in home, you obviously need some fresh air Really, really hung up on the weird defense of WT, even when there is no mention of him. Nor was it implied! Funny, how recruiting JC kids is somehow remotely similar to inherited D1 players who were part of the best season in the last 30. Having possibly 7 JC's on a roster seems a sudden turn. If Calloo (F) and Silver (G) accept as right now there is no schollies to offer after signing Johnson and Andela committing. Meaning Dastrup and/or Potts, or ? are gone, or pulling offer to Andela. Plus there were reports a week ago OSU had interest in guards Matthew Moyer, Cameron Parker. Also interest in guards Devin Gage and Isiah Brown. Why the sudden interest in so many JCs/grad transfers losing only two players? Why so many guards when losing two front court players? Yet only having (1) HS signed in a class. Hmmmmm. Recruiting so many JC/transfers seemed to be a big issue on this board when another, far more successful coach did it. Even though they also landed 4* HS kids. Plus one with issues bad enough to be booted from the team. Hmmmmm Potts is not a scholarship player and wouldn’t be surprised if Dastrup was gone after his “discipline” issues. |
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Post by beaverinohio on Apr 2, 2020 12:21:25 GMT -8
I kind of assumed Dastrup was going to be gone. Still no word on Ethan and whether he is leaving or not. If he leaves and Zach or Hollins are close to graduating, might see them accelerate things to become a grad transfer. I wonder if Vernon might be a potential transfer with his low minutes and Hunt and Lucas seemingly being ahead of him. Not saying any or all these things will happen, but wouldn’t be surprised if there aren’t at least an opening or two. And with that, I’m glad to hear that WT is getting plenty of feelers out there. Not like any of them are sure things to choose Beavs.
As to the quality of these two JUCO players and other potential transfers, this is where the program is. Beavs aren’t going to be pulling in the top transfers. The top grad transfers are looking for playing time, chance to get in tourney and/or improve chances for pro career. Beavs can only offer one of those things. Chances to land sit-out transfers (though those might become thing of the past) and JC transfers is a better, but again the top ones are still looking for those 3 things. So don’t look for any “can’t miss” transfers any time soon.
So, yes, neither Silver nor Calloo are a guy you’re building a team around but that doesn’t mean they wouldn’t be positive additions. Silver’s apparent shooting skills would certainly be a positive. And I wouldn’t get too caught up in Calloo’s numbers. Indian Hills was a very good team last year and one of the favorites to win championship. They had 8 players average at least 18.8 mpg and none averaged more than 25.6 mpg. According to jucorecruiting.com, Indian Hills had #1 JUCO player who signed with Kansas and #26 (both forwards) as well as #36 ( a guard). So despite his numbers, Calloo does have offensive skills. Is he or Silver going to instantly make the Beavs a winner? No, but I don’t see them adding anyone who will. But I can see them being part of the solution.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Apr 3, 2020 7:21:48 GMT -8
Oh you mean output played in D1 games and not JUCO ball? Forget shelter in home, you obviously need some fresh air Really, really hung up on the weird defense of WT, even when there is no mention of him. Nor was it implied! Funny, how recruiting JC kids is somehow remotely similar to inherited D1 players who were part of the best season in the last 30. Having possibly 7 JC's on a roster seems a sudden turn. If Calloo (F) and Silver (G) accept as right now there is no schollies to offer after signing Johnson and Andela committing. Meaning Dastrup and/or Potts, or ? are gone, or pulling offer to Andela. Plus there were reports a week ago OSU had interest in guards Matthew Moyer, Cameron Parker. Also interest in guards Devin Gage and Isiah Brown. Why the sudden interest in so many JCs/grad transfers losing only two players? Why so many guards when losing two front court players? Yet only having (1) HS signed in a class. Hmmmmm. Recruiting so many JC/transfers seemed to be a big issue on this board when another, far more successful coach did it. Even though they also landed 4* HS kids. Plus one with issues bad enough to be booted from the team. Hmmmmm Wasn't so much a defense of Tinkle than the fact that I thought it ironic that in the past you had praised the group Tinkle inherited that averaged a collective 17 points and <9 rebounds a game while seemingly dissing this group for their low prduction. I do wish we were bringing in some stats studs, but it's been shown at least once in the past that stats aren't always everything. He's got lots of work ahead of him, I'm trying not to be critical ahead of seeing how it turns out. |
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Post by beaversproud on Apr 3, 2020 13:19:36 GMT -8
Really, really hung up on the weird defense of WT, even when there is no mention of him. Nor was it implied! Funny, how recruiting JC kids is somehow remotely similar to inherited D1 players who were part of the best season in the last 30. Having possibly 7 JC's on a roster seems a sudden turn. If Calloo (F) and Silver (G) accept as right now there is no schollies to offer after signing Johnson and Andela committing. Meaning Dastrup and/or Potts, or ? are gone, or pulling offer to Andela. Plus there were reports a week ago OSU had interest in guards Matthew Moyer, Cameron Parker. Also interest in guards Devin Gage and Isiah Brown. Why the sudden interest in so many JCs/grad transfers losing only two players? Why so many guards when losing two front court players? Yet only having (1) HS signed in a class. Hmmmmm. Recruiting so many JC/transfers seemed to be a big issue on this board when another, far more successful coach did it. Even though they also landed 4* HS kids. Plus one with issues bad enough to be booted from the team. Hmmmmm Wasn't so much a defense of Tinkle than the fact that I thought it ironic that in the past you had praised the group Tinkle inherited that averaged a collective 17 points and <9 rebounds a game while seemingly dissing this group for their low prduction. I do wish we were bringing in some stats studs, but it's been shown at least once in the past that stats aren't always everything. He's got lots of work ahead of him, I'm trying not to be critical ahead of seeing how it turns out. Well fear no more! then just brought in a shooting guard rated 2 stars! |
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Post by sagebrush on Apr 3, 2020 15:01:41 GMT -8
Not interested in anyone with conduct issues at his age. Guys like that can hurt a locker room/chemistry.
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Post by qbeaver on Apr 3, 2020 15:06:09 GMT -8
Wasn't so much a defense of Tinkle than the fact that I thought it ironic that in the past you had praised the group Tinkle inherited that averaged a collective 17 points and <9 rebounds a game while seemingly dissing this group for their low prduction. I do wish we were bringing in some stats studs, but it's been shown at least once in the past that stats aren't always everything. He's got lots of work ahead of him, I'm trying not to be critical ahead of seeing how it turns out. Well fear no more! then just brought in a shooting guard rated 2 stars! Tallahassee C.C. has a very good team,so getting a kid who averages 12 ppg isn't a red flag about his ability. Their leading scorer only averages 14 ppg,and has offers from UConn,ASU,DePaul,and many others. Pure shooter who is a solid athlete...solid get. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Apr 3, 2020 15:36:13 GMT -8
Not interested in anyone with conduct issues at his age. Guys like that can hurt a locker room/chemistry. Lots of kids make mistakes as youths. Gary Payton. Ken Simonton. Luke Heimlich. Mike Lissman. Anton Maxwell. Jorge Reyes. John Wallace. They turned out OK. The only player I remember getting in trouble under Tinkle was Victor Robbins, and he was dealt with quickly and decisively. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Apr 3, 2020 15:41:58 GMT -8
Not interested in anyone with conduct issues at his age. Guys like that can hurt a locker room/chemistry. Lots of kids make mistakes as youths. Gary Payton. Ken Simonton. Luke Heimlich. Mike Lissman. They turned out OK. The only player I remember getting in trouble under Tinkle was Victor Robbins, and he was dealt with quickly and decisively. Which means? Not all learn from their mistakes. If there's not enough quality players who want to come without checkered past that is a program problem. It's not like any of these guys are program difference makers. Plus "mistakes" don't have to be criminal... Bruce, Dew, Dastrup come to mind. All wasted schollies that cause a program to be shorthanded. |
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Post by beaverinohio on Apr 3, 2020 16:02:05 GMT -8
Not interested in anyone with conduct issues at his age. Guys like that can hurt a locker room/chemistry. Assuming you are referring to Calloo. Obviously any incident that results in dismissal is not good, but we’re not talking about a bar fight, domestic issue or even drugs. He and two teammates shot several car and building windows with BB guns. Stupid? Yes. Potentially dangerous? Yes. But on the spectrum of issues this is much more on the “kids will do stupid things” side than on the dangerous and/or “can hurt a locker room/chemistry” side. If he hasn’t been in any other trouble and has been doing all the right things since, I’d have no problem if WT and athletic dept chalk this up to youthful indiscretion and give the kid a second chance. But then again maybe I’m the only one who did stupid stuff in college. |
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