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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2020 19:01:29 GMT -8
Before this thread gets locked because someone can't handle themselves, I just want to thank you atownbeaver for serving Oregon and for doing so as a citizen who can work with both sides of the political spectrum.
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 12, 2020 20:06:36 GMT -8
It is entirely possible. China spent weeks covering it up. It was finally uncovered, detected and classified in December, but it likely started before. Coronaviruses themselves are not new. They are zoonotic meaning they come from animals. Pigs, birds, bats, etcs. It is suspected bats were the culprit this time. Specifically it is believed that bats infected pagolin's where were being sold in the wet markets at the large Huanan Wholesale Seafood Market. SARS is a coronavirus, and this virus is very similar to SARS, the strain identification of the virus is actually SARS-CoV-2, in fact. it is in the same family. I suspect if communication was referencing this outbreak to SARS, instead of "the flu" people would of treated it more seriously. Now that the WHO has officially called it a pandemic, it'll be curious as to how fast tracked a vaccine or two will be. Several companies that have created successful vaccines against earlier coronavirus types have claimed to have cracked the code on this one and are headed towards human trials soon or now. Normally it'd be what a year, year and a half at best? I’m not relying on any information from a group that sang Pinball Wizard
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Post by albanianbeav on Mar 12, 2020 20:55:58 GMT -8
Well at least we know now how atownbeaver is voting in November You know, lets go ahead and clear the air on something. I do not identify with a political party whatsoever. Part of that is because I work in policy at the state, on hospitals, and work with both democrats and republicans frequently. Being an overtly political loudmouth would affect my career. but largely to the point. I am pragmatic and I think it is silly to put ones identity into a political party. I do not cheer for politicians like I cheer for sports teams. Nor should you. I am a public official and I respect that I work for the public. My position, my salary... all public record. My emails, documents, everything I do, could be requested to be viewed at any time. I work for Oregonians. I am rather a constant and persistent criticizer of elected officials. largely because most of them all entirely suck and seem to forget they work for Americans as well. And the end of the day, all my disapproval of Trump can be categorized into a single lump: He is a poor government official. and extensions of that single topic. So, I have no problem trashing a president, any president, that is acting poorly. Or any other public official. This may surprise you based on my Trump bashing, but I don't like Kate Brown and find her an ineffective leader focusing on the wrong problems. Knute, very likely, could of been an effective governor. I have worked with him several times, and he did carry significant clout in his committee appointments. Of course she is my literal and actual boss, as I am an executive branch employee... so I am gonna keep all that to myself. I could sit here and trash on Obama if you want me too. I could sit here and find a few things to compliment Trump on, if you want me to. Where America has gone astray is failing to demand accountability from OUR leaders. and when I capitalize OUR, I mean our party. who WE voted for. Republicans fail to demand accountability from Trump, right now. Democrats failed with Obama. The cycle repeats. And if this cycle plays out, the DNC will not be held accountable for putting forward an equally unelectable twat in Biden. And, like 4 years ago, My vote will not be enthusiastic support, but rather pragmatic assessment of "who sucks less". Because make no mistake, a Democrat will criticize a Republican leader no matter what, and visa versa. Even if those leaders are engaged in policy or actions that their own side was just months or years before...We fall into our trends of rooting for the party, and dismissing the needs of the nation. We make excuses when our guys or gals f%#* up. We cognitively disassociate. What we don't do is tell them to be better. A party will never cast out it's own, even it needs to. Dems didn't cast out Hillary, they embraced her. Republicans aren't going to cast out Trump... hell, they just saved his ass. Every leader is going to screw up. Not every policy is going to work for everyone. sometimes the greater good means hurting others... all of that matters. But we have to demand equally of our leaders. If you wouldn't accept an action from the opposing party, you should never accept it from your own. But we do it over, and over, and over again. I was at the gun show in Albany last weekend. I saw a table that said "No sales to Democrats". I just found that profoundly sad. Yes, some in that party don't like guns and want to ban them. Some just want more regulations and still others don't even give a s%#t. But we operate in this environment where we call our fellow Americans our enemy. To this guy, democrats were his enemy. Without meeting them, without shaking their hand, without breaking of the bread, so to speak. And to be sure, If I, i dunno, wandered into a vegan bakery or whatever and saw a "no republican's" sign, I'd be equally disheartened. I am a guy with two public health degrees. Yes, I have hippie dirty commie progressive beliefs on health care. My wife is a public school teacher. Yes I have hippie progressive dirty commie beliefs on the education system. But I am also an avid hunter and fisherman, so I have not so hippie beliefs on gun ownership, and depending on who you ask either conservative OR liberal views on land use policy. I see the role of regulation to be both important, and stifling. In my world, we can attribute the expanse of regulatory actions on hospitals to add upwards of $1,200 to the cost of an inpatient stay, for example. I do care, tremendously, about civil liberties and autonomy. That is the foundation of our country, and decidedly a complex blend of both conservative and progressive values. Americans deserve to live a self directed life with as little government interference as reasonably possible. Like most people. I am not a caricature of something you invented in your head. We are all more complex than that. I appreciate the information. When I asked the question I figured it had a very good chance of digressing into name calling and other ridicule. I view our political system much the same as you & our issues all boil down to our unwillingness to have an honest/open debate anymore. It’s a complete cop out to think all issues fall on one side of the aisle or the other and that everyone on either side is 100% like minded. Unfortunately, this is the prevailing mindset these days. I believe politicians count on the rep/dem fight to rage. It is a great distraction while they do the corrupt stuff they do. Most people like a good conspiracy theory or two, this is the one I hang on to.
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Post by atownbeaver on Mar 12, 2020 21:22:58 GMT -8
Before this thread gets locked because someone can't handle themselves, I just want to thank you atownbeaver for serving Oregon and for doing so as a citizen who can work with both sides of the political spectrum. I appreciate it. Thank you. You know this cap and trade kerfuffle notwithstanding, I think it is pretty important to point out that Oregon, more so that many other states, has a very good rack record of incredibly professional, civil political discourse in Salem, and a pretty decent history of working across the aisle. It is something we should generally be proud of. Sure people tend to only focus on the 2-3 major hot ticket bills that pass... but every long session our legislature considers in excess of 1500 bills. of that, hundreds likely will be passed. Nationwide, among other state governments, we have a very good reputation. Maybe that doesn't mean much to people that don't geek out on incredibly boring policy papers, but I think it is good. I work on a number of nationwide committees and workgroups and they all look to Oregon as a good example. It may not seem like it today, and facebook or whatever may try to sell a different story, but I have worked in every legislative session since 2013, and honestly the first time in my professional experience it really got ugly was this past year and this short session. You'd all probably also be pretty surprised about how well certain Ds and Rs get along in their personal lives. A lot are straight up legitimate friends. It is all pretty fascinating. Of course... there are those that straight up hate each other. like, real white hot rage type of hate...
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Post by bennyorange on Mar 13, 2020 7:01:13 GMT -8
atownbeaver
I wasn't try to diss on you as much as I hate it when Beaver sports discussions turn into political rants. Your clarification helped quite a bit and frankly you and I aren't all that far off from each other politically.
I don't enjoy the name calling and petty arguments that can take over threads here either.
Peace out....
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Post by atownbeaver on Mar 13, 2020 7:24:41 GMT -8
Now that the WHO has officially called it a pandemic, it'll be curious as to how fast tracked a vaccine or two will be. Several companies that have created successful vaccines against earlier coronavirus types have claimed to have cracked the code on this one and are headed towards human trials soon or now. Normally it'd be what a year, year and a half at best? I’m not relying on any information from a group that sang Pinball Wizard I am happy to report, however, that WHO confirms that COVID-19 cannot be passed to dogs, and any dogs in quarantine can be sent home or to other caregivers. Yes, that is right, WHO let the dogs out.
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Post by ornggnawer on Mar 13, 2020 7:37:52 GMT -8
I’m not relying on any information from a group that sang Pinball Wizard I am happy to report, however, that WHO confirms that COVID-19 cannot be passed to dogs, and any dogs in quarantine can be sent home or to other caregivers. Yes, that is right, WHO let the dogs out. Needed that bit of humor! Thanks
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Post by NativeBeav on Mar 13, 2020 8:29:09 GMT -8
Before this thread gets locked because someone can't handle themselves, I just want to thank you atownbeaver for serving Oregon and for doing so as a citizen who can work with both sides of the political spectrum. I appreciate it. Thank you. You know this cap and trade kerfuffle notwithstanding, I think it is pretty important to point out that Oregon, more so that many other states, has a very good rack record of incredibly professional, civil political discourse in Salem, and a pretty decent history of working across the aisle. It is something we should generally be proud of. Sure people tend to only focus on the 2-3 major hot ticket bills that pass... but every long session our legislature considers in excess of 1500 bills. of that, hundreds likely will be passed. Nationwide, among other state governments, we have a very good reputation. Maybe that doesn't mean much to people that don't geek out on incredibly boring policy papers, but I think it is good. I work on a number of nationwide committees and workgroups and they all look to Oregon as a good example. It may not seem like it today, and facebook or whatever may try to sell a different story, but I have worked in every legislative session since 2013, and honestly the first time in my professional experience it really got ugly was this past year and this short session. You'd all probably also be pretty surprised about how well certain Ds and Rs get along in their personal lives. A lot are straight up legitimate friends. It is all pretty fascinating. Of course... there are those that straight up hate each other. like, real white hot rage type of hate... Not really - I believe this occurs at both the state level, and at the national level. Which is both a blessing and a curse, IMHO. On some issues, the reason why we are so often screwed is it really is at times us against them - and I mean both parties. The amount of money that pours into Washington from lobby groups and PAC's is obscene. On issues like this, coordination and cooperation are important. Like you, I also hate being labeled and pidgeon-holed, politically. Just sayin'
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 13, 2020 14:08:31 GMT -8
Before this thread gets locked because someone can't handle themselves, I just want to thank you atownbeaver for serving Oregon and for doing so as a citizen who can work with both sides of the political spectrum. I appreciate it. Thank you. You know this cap and trade kerfuffle notwithstanding, I think it is pretty important to point out that Oregon, more so that many other states, has a very good rack record of incredibly professional, civil political discourse in Salem, and a pretty decent history of working across the aisle. It is something we should generally be proud of. Sure people tend to only focus on the 2-3 major hot ticket bills that pass... but every long session our legislature considers in excess of 1500 bills. of that, hundreds likely will be passed. Nationwide, among other state governments, we have a very good reputation. Maybe that doesn't mean much to people that don't geek out on incredibly boring policy papers, but I think it is good. I work on a number of nationwide committees and workgroups and they all look to Oregon as a good example. It may not seem like it today, and facebook or whatever may try to sell a different story, but I have worked in every legislative session since 2013, and honestly the first time in my professional experience it really got ugly was this past year and this short session. You'd all probably also be pretty surprised about how well certain Ds and Rs get along in their personal lives. A lot are straight up legitimate friends. It is all pretty fascinating. Of course... there are those that straight up hate each other. like, real white hot rage type of hate... I personally believe that discourse is a great positive and what the Founders envisioned, when they founded this country. I agree 99% with your posts on here and that specifically includes your football analysis, which is usually spot on. I agree with 99% of your posts on page 2 and the three of the four posts on page 3 of this thread. They are all very helpful, and it is great to hear from an authority on the subject, especially one with an Oregon State degree. I disagree with the politicization, especially when it detaches itself from what is factual (or at least my perception of what is factual). It is my humble opinion that blame is unnecessary and counter-productive at this stage. It does not matter who is "at fault" or if anyone is "at fault" currently. People have several months to work out in their own mind whether the current path forward is the correct one or whether a change should be made. What is important now is to educate and make sure that we are all ready to work together to make sure that there is no explosion of new cases. At all times (but especially at a time like this), we as Americans and we as Oregon Staters need to come together to do what is the most good for everyone. Today, that means spreading helpful information to everyone and doing what we can to minimize contacts. It is my opinion that the next four or so weeks are going to be trying, but it is exactly at such times that we should all strive to be at our best. Time and time again, when the going has been tough, Americans in general, and Oregon Staters, in particular, have shown a great ability to overcome personal disagreement and general animosity to join together to defeat all threats foreign, domestic, or, in this case, microscopic. As a nation, we have to been to hell and back several times. We will overcome! After all, we are all Americans and all citizens of Earth. And more specifically, we are all Beavers! Now, let's all make the world and this country a better place. Go Beavs!
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Post by Mike84 on Mar 14, 2020 8:14:05 GMT -8
I’m not relying on any information from a group that sang Pinball Wizard I am happy to report, however, that WHO confirms that COVID-19 cannot be passed to dogs, and any dogs in quarantine can be sent home or to other caregivers. Yes, that is right, WHO let the dogs out. OMG, atown, thank you for that! Just exactly what I needed this morning. I was headed over to the baseball board to continue the political talk with a poster who I suddenly realized (while not sleeping last night) could actually BE Donald Trump. I was thinking about the tenor of these message boards and it clicked with a nearly audible click that this one constant poster posts just like Trump tweets! I knew that politics did not belong on here and I almost hated to learn more about the political leanings of many of the posters, but I felt the need to continue it....until I read this post from you this morning! I laughed out loud (twice) and decided I would not go there. I mean I would literally not go there (the baseball board) and would not go there (politics). You saved my day.
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