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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 9, 2020 15:31:16 GMT -8
This is an update from a post 11 days ago.
Oregon State is currently ranked 68th in the NET rankings, eighth in the Pac-12 (2/27 Net rankings in parentheses):
12. Oregon (25)
14. Arizona (7)
23. Colorado (17)
30. Stanford (29)
45. Southern California (47)
52. Arizona State (43)
55. Washington (63)
71. Oregon State (68)
76. UCLA (78)
85. Utah (88)
119. Washington State (120)
148. California (142)
Today, DRatings put out its projections:
14. Oregon (4-seed)
27. Colorado (7-seed)
32. Arizona (8-seed)
38. USC (10-seed)
40. Arizona State (10-seed)
46. UCLA (12-seed, 2nd-to-last team in)
50. Stanford (NIT 1-seed, third team out)
64. Oregon State (NIT 4-seed)
11 days ago, the S-curve had Oregon State playing at Notre Dame. Today, the S-curve has Notre Dame playing in Corvallis in the Texas Bracket. The winner of Notre Dame-Oregon State would play the Radford-Texas winner. Radford would be in Corvallis or Texas in Austin. Northern Iowa and Radford are the two auto-ins at this point (and Radford is the lesser of the pair).
Washington needs to at least make the semifinals of the Pac-12 Tournament, in order to net a NIT berth, because of their weak conference record. Otherwise, it is CBI or nothing for the Huskies.
At this point, Oregon State is de facto seventh or eighth (depending on how you rank UCLA) in line for a postseason berth in the Pac-12.
It looks to me like Oregon State probably punches its ticket to not only an NIT berth but an NIT hosting berth with a win over Utah. The only way that that does not come to pass is a huge Oregon win on Thursday. Hopefully, the Beavers can beat the Utes and a cold Duck team to sneak into the semifinals.
Oregon State is unofficially officially out of an NCAA at large berth. You would need to see three monster wins and a squeaker in the championship game. And you would probably need the schedule to set up as Utah, Oregon, Arizona, and Colorado. (Arizona and Colorado did not do as well in conference, but their metrics would provide more of a boost than UCLA, Arizona State, and USC, who are all playing better than their talent level.) Even then, that would be something of a snowball's chance.
I would add that the 8-9 game is probably the best game for making a run to the Championship game, because it provides the winner of the 8-9 game the most recovery rest during the run.
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Post by atownbeaver on Mar 9, 2020 16:37:14 GMT -8
This is an update from a post 11 days ago. Oregon State is currently ranked 68th in the NET rankings, eighth in the Pac-12 (2/27 Net rankings in parentheses): 12. Oregon (25)
14. Arizona (7)
23. Colorado (17)
30. Stanford (29)
45. Southern California (47)
52. Arizona State (43)
55. Washington (63) 71. Oregon State (68) 76. UCLA (78) 85. Utah (88) 119. Washington State (120) 148. California (142) Today, DRatings put out its projections: 14. Oregon (4-seed) 27. Colorado (7-seed) 32. Arizona (8-seed) 38. USC (10-seed) 40. Arizona State (10-seed) 46. UCLA (12-seed, 2nd-to-last team in) 50. Stanford (NIT 1-seed, third team out) 64. Oregon State (NIT 4-seed) 11 days ago, the S-curve had Oregon State playing at Notre Dame. Today, the S-curve has Notre Dame playing in Corvallis in the Texas Bracket. The winner of Notre Dame-Oregon State would play the Radford-Texas winner. Radford would be in Corvallis or Texas in Austin. Northern Iowa and Radford are the two auto-ins at this point (and Radford is the lesser of the pair). Washington needs to at least make the semifinals of the Pac-12 Tournament, in order to net a NIT berth, because of their weak conference record. Otherwise, it is CBI or nothing for the Huskies. At this point, Oregon State is de facto seventh or eighth (depending on how you rank UCLA) in line for a postseason berth in the Pac-12. It looks to me like Oregon State probably punches its ticket to not only an NIT berth but an NIT hosting berth with a win over Utah. The only way that that does not come to pass is a huge Oregon win on Thursday. Hopefully, the Beavers can beat the Utes and a cold Duck team to sneak into the semifinals. Oregon State is unofficially officially out of an NCAA at large berth. You would need to see three monster wins and a squeaker in the championship game. And you would probably need the schedule to set up as Utah, Oregon, Arizona, and Colorado. (Arizona and Colorado did not do as well in conference, but their metrics would provide more of a boost than UCLA, Arizona State, and USC, who are all playing better than their talent level.) Even then, that would be something of a snowball's chance. I would add that the 8-9 game is probably the best game for making a run to the Championship game, because it provides the winner of the 8-9 game the most recovery rest during the run. Just win out and make it easy... I hate that a likely NIT berth is leaving a bitter taste. We were better this year, and it didn't happen. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 9, 2020 16:50:02 GMT -8
After last year I'm not going to call the NIT a lock unless we win 2 in the Pac 12 tournament. We should have had an invite then.
Aaaaaagggghh! I wish they hadn't lost a lead or two earlier in the season. Oh well.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 9, 2020 17:30:08 GMT -8
This is an update from a post 11 days ago. Oregon State is currently ranked 68th in the NET rankings, eighth in the Pac-12 (2/27 Net rankings in parentheses): 12. Oregon (25)
14. Arizona (7)
23. Colorado (17)
30. Stanford (29)
45. Southern California (47)
52. Arizona State (43)
55. Washington (63) 71. Oregon State (68) 76. UCLA (78) 85. Utah (88) 119. Washington State (120) 148. California (142) Today, DRatings put out its projections: 14. Oregon (4-seed) 27. Colorado (7-seed) 32. Arizona (8-seed) 38. USC (10-seed) 40. Arizona State (10-seed) 46. UCLA (12-seed, 2nd-to-last team in) 50. Stanford (NIT 1-seed, third team out) 64. Oregon State (NIT 4-seed) 11 days ago, the S-curve had Oregon State playing at Notre Dame. Today, the S-curve has Notre Dame playing in Corvallis in the Texas Bracket. The winner of Notre Dame-Oregon State would play the Radford-Texas winner. Radford would be in Corvallis or Texas in Austin. Northern Iowa and Radford are the two auto-ins at this point (and Radford is the lesser of the pair). Washington needs to at least make the semifinals of the Pac-12 Tournament, in order to net a NIT berth, because of their weak conference record. Otherwise, it is CBI or nothing for the Huskies. At this point, Oregon State is de facto seventh or eighth (depending on how you rank UCLA) in line for a postseason berth in the Pac-12. It looks to me like Oregon State probably punches its ticket to not only an NIT berth but an NIT hosting berth with a win over Utah. The only way that that does not come to pass is a huge Oregon win on Thursday. Hopefully, the Beavers can beat the Utes and a cold Duck team to sneak into the semifinals. Oregon State is unofficially officially out of an NCAA at large berth. You would need to see three monster wins and a squeaker in the championship game. And you would probably need the schedule to set up as Utah, Oregon, Arizona, and Colorado. (Arizona and Colorado did not do as well in conference, but their metrics would provide more of a boost than UCLA, Arizona State, and USC, who are all playing better than their talent level.) Even then, that would be something of a snowball's chance. I would add that the 8-9 game is probably the best game for making a run to the Championship game, because it provides the winner of the 8-9 game the most recovery rest during the run. Just win out and make it easy... I hate that a likely NIT berth is leaving a bitter taste. We were better this year, and it didn't happen. By NET rankings, this Oregon State team played 16 spots better than last year's Oregon State team. It's just that the conference improved. Oregon State has five Q1 wins: Arizona, @ Colorado, Oregon, @ Stanford, and Stanford. That is more Q1 wins than San Diego State, which should get a #1 seed. (We'll see if that happens.) Oregon State also has more Q1 wins than Lousiville, Arizona, Houston, Texas Tech, LSU, Stanford, Rutgers, Purdue, Minnesota, USC, Arkansas, Mississippi State, etc. All of those teams are going to get likely bids, even though none has as many top-line wins as Oregon State. The problem for a lot of fans is the consistency. The loss at California is infuriating, as arethe losses to Arizona State, USC, Utah, Texas A&M, and Washington State. You can explain away 2-3 of those games, but it is difficult to explain away all five, especially with what we did to better teams. Ultimately, this feels a lot like 2013 in football. The conference improved, but that does not explain away the Eastern Washington loss. Still you know that, despite the set backs, Oregon State is always on a knife's edge. Every Beaver team is a bad firing and worse hiring away from being just wretched at a sport for the better part of a decade. And I am still not sold on Barnesy (a.k.a. BDC II). In 2013, despite watching Oregon State drop a 42-point home loss to Washington, I knew that that was just something we had to put up with to watch good to great football 8+ weekends out of the year. And then BDC decided to chase off Langs.............. I get the feeling that sans Tinkle, I am going to be watching some Three Stooges-style basketball in no time flat, like we all had to endure in football from 2014-2019. (And probably continuing into 2020, if I am being completely honest with myself.) |
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 9, 2020 17:40:56 GMT -8
Just win out and make it easy... I hate that a likely NIT berth is leaving a bitter taste. We were better this year, and it didn't happen. By NET rankings, this Oregon State team played 16 spots better than last year's Oregon State team. It's just that the conference improved. Oregon State has five Q1 wins: Arizona, @ Colorado, Oregon, @ Stanford, and Stanford. That is more Q1 wins than San Diego State, which should get a #1 seed. (We'll see if that happens.) Oregon State also has more Q1 wins than Lousiville, Arizona, Houston, Texas Tech, LSU, Stanford, Rutgers, Purdue, Minnesota, USC, Arkansas, Mississippi State, etc. All of those teams are going to get likely bids, even though none has as many top-line wins as Oregon State. The problem for a lot of fans is the consistency. The loss at California is infuriating, as arethe losses to Arizona State, USC, Utah, Texas A&M, and Washington State. You can explain away 2-3 of those games, but it is difficult to explain away all five, especially with what we did to better teams. Ultimately, this feels a lot like 2013 in football. The conference improved, but that does not explain away the Eastern Washington loss. Still you know that, despite the set backs, Oregon State is always on a knife's edge. Every Beaver team is a bad firing and worse hiring away from being just wretched at a sport for the better part of a decade. And I am still not sold on Barnesy (a.k.a. BDC II). In 2013, despite watching Oregon State drop a 42-point home loss to Washington, I knew that that was just something we had to put up with to watch good to great football 8+ weekends out of the year. And then BDC decided to chase off Langs.............. I get the feeling that sans Tinkle, I am going to be watching some Three Stooges-style basketball in no time flat, like we all had to endure in football from 2014-2019. (And probably continuing into 2020, if I am being completely honest with myself.) The Cal and WSU losses may be infuriating for you, but losing to USC and ASU shouldn’t be. Those are 2 tourney teams that are pretty good. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Mar 9, 2020 18:21:59 GMT -8
This is an update from a post 11 days ago. Oregon State is currently ranked 68th in the NET rankings, eighth in the Pac-12 (2/27 Net rankings in parentheses): 12. Oregon (25)
14. Arizona (7)
23. Colorado (17)
30. Stanford (29)
45. Southern California (47)
52. Arizona State (43)
55. Washington (63) 71. Oregon State (68) 76. UCLA (78) 85. Utah (88) 119. Washington State (120) 148. California (142) Today, DRatings put out its projections: 14. Oregon (4-seed) 27. Colorado (7-seed) 32. Arizona (8-seed) 38. USC (10-seed) 40. Arizona State (10-seed) 46. UCLA (12-seed, 2nd-to-last team in) 50. Stanford (NIT 1-seed, third team out) 64. Oregon State (NIT 4-seed) 11 days ago, the S-curve had Oregon State playing at Notre Dame. Today, the S-curve has Notre Dame playing in Corvallis in the Texas Bracket. The winner of Notre Dame-Oregon State would play the Radford-Texas winner. Radford would be in Corvallis or Texas in Austin. Northern Iowa and Radford are the two auto-ins at this point (and Radford is the lesser of the pair). Washington needs to at least make the semifinals of the Pac-12 Tournament, in order to net a NIT berth, because of their weak conference record. Otherwise, it is CBI or nothing for the Huskies. At this point, Oregon State is de facto seventh or eighth (depending on how you rank UCLA) in line for a postseason berth in the Pac-12. It looks to me like Oregon State probably punches its ticket to not only an NIT berth but an NIT hosting berth with a win over Utah. The only way that that does not come to pass is a huge Oregon win on Thursday. Hopefully, the Beavers can beat the Utes and a cold Duck team to sneak into the semifinals. Oregon State is unofficially officially out of an NCAA at large berth. You would need to see three monster wins and a squeaker in the championship game. And you would probably need the schedule to set up as Utah, Oregon, Arizona, and Colorado. (Arizona and Colorado did not do as well in conference, but their metrics would provide more of a boost than UCLA, Arizona State, and USC, who are all playing better than their talent level.) Even then, that would be something of a snowball's chance. I would add that the 8-9 game is probably the best game for making a run to the Championship game, because it provides the winner of the 8-9 game the most recovery rest during the run. Funny... 8/9 has to play the 1 seed, but has the "best game for making a championship run"? Just because of rest? Ha... PS- two sites have OSU as NIT 7th seed "italicized" meaning any 6th seed or below is not a sure thing... the other not in at all right now. One has the Utah/OSU winner in... maybe, loser out. The NIT is very dependent on auto bids... 12 or more of the 32 berths could be taken with crazy conference tournament action. UCLA is not ranked below OSU in ANY NCAA or NIT bracketology I've seen. The Bruins are postseason bound... period. |
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Post by beaverinohio on Mar 10, 2020 7:21:44 GMT -8
Just win out and make it easy... I hate that a likely NIT berth is leaving a bitter taste. We were better this year, and it didn't happen. By NET rankings, this Oregon State team played 16 spots better than last year's Oregon State team. It's just that the conference improved. Oregon State has five Q1 wins: Arizona, @ Colorado, Oregon, @ Stanford, and Stanford. That is more Q1 wins than San Diego State, which should get a #1 seed. (We'll see if that happens.) Oregon State also has more Q1 wins than Lousiville, Arizona, Houston, Texas Tech, LSU, Stanford, Rutgers, Purdue, Minnesota, USC, Arkansas, Mississippi State, etc. All of those teams are going to get likely bids, even though none has as many top-line wins as Oregon State. The problem for a lot of fans is the consistency. The loss at California is infuriating, as arethe losses to Arizona State, USC, Utah, Texas A&M, and Washington State. You can explain away 2-3 of those games, but it is difficult to explain away all five, especially with what we did to better teams. Ultimately, this feels a lot like 2013 in football. The conference improved, but that does not explain away the Eastern Washington loss. Still you know that, despite the set backs, Oregon State is always on a knife's edge. Every Beaver team is a bad firing and worse hiring away from being just wretched at a sport for the better part of a decade. And I am still not sold on Barnesy (a.k.a. BDC II). In 2013, despite watching Oregon State drop a 42-point home loss to Washington, I knew that that was just something we had to put up with to watch good to great football 8+ weekends out of the year. And then BDC decided to chase off Langs.............. I get the feeling that sans Tinkle, I am going to be watching some Three Stooges-style basketball in no time flat, like we all had to endure in football from 2014-2019. (And probably continuing into 2020, if I am being completely honest with myself.) I'm not quite certain what your point is with this post. Are you trying to say this year's Beavers team is better than last year's? Are you trying to say the Beavers are better than those teams you listed because they have more quad 1 wins? The Beavers have more quad 1 wins this year than last in large part because they had more opportunities. Last year they played 4 quad 1 opponents (going 2-2). This year they've played 10 quad 1 opponents and are 4-6 (think your 5 wins number is because they still had home game against Stanford as a quad 1 and now it is a quad 2). So they had more opportunities because the league had a better non-conference record and more quality non-con wins than last year. This year the Beavs are 5-11 against quad 1 and 2 teams. Last year 6-9. So basically the same and actually slightly worse. As to those other teams you mentioned that the Beavs have more quad 1 wins than, I hope you're not trying to say Beavs are as good or better. With the adjustment to Beavers' quad 1 record, San Diego St. actually has as many wins as Beavs and in half as many quad 1 games. They are also 3-0 in non-con quad 1 games; the Beavs are 0-1. SD St. is 11-1 in quad 1/2 games compared to the Beavs 5-11. The Beavs do currently have more quad 1 wins than Arizona 4-3, but Arizona is 5-3 against quad 2 and 8-1 against quad 3 -- the Beavs are 1-5 and 3-2. Arizona and the Beavs both won all their quad 4 games, but Beavs played 5 more such teams. Houston is very much the same story as Arizona. It comes down to the fact that the Beavs the last two years have not been able to beat the teams they "should beat" if they want to be a tourney team. Last year 4-7 in quad 2 games, this year they were 1-5. All the games count, and I guess the team doesn't realize that. And I'm not quite sure how all this equates to "Three Stooges-style basketball" (or really know what that means) if Tinkle were replaced. The sad fact is that after 6 years to build a program and a culture the best he can finish with a top 10 (15?, 20?) all-time Beaver player, best shot blocker in conference, and Ethan is 7-11 in conference. And it is looking very plausible that we'll be watching Three Stooges-style basketball next year with Tinkle as coach. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 10, 2020 7:26:49 GMT -8
This is an update from a post 11 days ago. Oregon State is currently ranked 68th in the NET rankings, eighth in the Pac-12 (2/27 Net rankings in parentheses): 12. Oregon (25)
14. Arizona (7)
23. Colorado (17)
30. Stanford (29)
45. Southern California (47)
52. Arizona State (43)
55. Washington (63) 71. Oregon State (68) 76. UCLA (78) 85. Utah (88) 119. Washington State (120) 148. California (142) Today, DRatings put out its projections: 14. Oregon (4-seed) 27. Colorado (7-seed) 32. Arizona (8-seed) 38. USC (10-seed) 40. Arizona State (10-seed) 46. UCLA (12-seed, 2nd-to-last team in) 50. Stanford (NIT 1-seed, third team out) 64. Oregon State (NIT 4-seed) 11 days ago, the S-curve had Oregon State playing at Notre Dame. Today, the S-curve has Notre Dame playing in Corvallis in the Texas Bracket. The winner of Notre Dame-Oregon State would play the Radford-Texas winner. Radford would be in Corvallis or Texas in Austin. Northern Iowa and Radford are the two auto-ins at this point (and Radford is the lesser of the pair). Washington needs to at least make the semifinals of the Pac-12 Tournament, in order to net a NIT berth, because of their weak conference record. Otherwise, it is CBI or nothing for the Huskies. At this point, Oregon State is de facto seventh or eighth (depending on how you rank UCLA) in line for a postseason berth in the Pac-12. It looks to me like Oregon State probably punches its ticket to not only an NIT berth but an NIT hosting berth with a win over Utah. The only way that that does not come to pass is a huge Oregon win on Thursday. Hopefully, the Beavers can beat the Utes and a cold Duck team to sneak into the semifinals. Oregon State is unofficially officially out of an NCAA at large berth. You would need to see three monster wins and a squeaker in the championship game. And you would probably need the schedule to set up as Utah, Oregon, Arizona, and Colorado. (Arizona and Colorado did not do as well in conference, but their metrics would provide more of a boost than UCLA, Arizona State, and USC, who are all playing better than their talent level.) Even then, that would be something of a snowball's chance. I would add that the 8-9 game is probably the best game for making a run to the Championship game, because it provides the winner of the 8-9 game the most recovery rest during the run. Funny... 8/9 has to play the 1 seed, but has the "best game for making a championship run"? Just because of rest? Ha... PS- two sites have OSU as NIT 7th seed "italicized" meaning any 6th seed or below is not a sure thing... the other not in at all right now. One has the Utah/OSU winner in... maybe, loser out. The NIT is very dependent on auto bids... 12 or more of the 32 berths could be taken with crazy conference tournament action. UCLA is not ranked below OSU in ANY NCAA or NIT bracketology I've seen. The Bruins are postseason bound... period. He's putting too much reliance on NET rankings. UCLA is definitely getting a post season berth and there is no way UW is going anywhere with a losing record, despite their high NET ranking. UW would have to make it to the Pac12 tourney final game to get to 500 and get any sort of berth. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 10, 2020 14:24:24 GMT -8
This is an update from a post 11 days ago. Oregon State is currently ranked 68th in the NET rankings, eighth in the Pac-12 (2/27 Net rankings in parentheses): 12. Oregon (25)
14. Arizona (7)
23. Colorado (17)
30. Stanford (29)
45. Southern California (47)
52. Arizona State (43)
55. Washington (63) 71. Oregon State (68) 76. UCLA (78) 85. Utah (88) 119. Washington State (120) 148. California (142) Today, DRatings put out its projections: 14. Oregon (4-seed) 27. Colorado (7-seed) 32. Arizona (8-seed) 38. USC (10-seed) 40. Arizona State (10-seed) 46. UCLA (12-seed, 2nd-to-last team in) 50. Stanford (NIT 1-seed, third team out) 64. Oregon State (NIT 4-seed) 11 days ago, the S-curve had Oregon State playing at Notre Dame. Today, the S-curve has Notre Dame playing in Corvallis in the Texas Bracket. The winner of Notre Dame-Oregon State would play the Radford-Texas winner. Radford would be in Corvallis or Texas in Austin. Northern Iowa and Radford are the two auto-ins at this point (and Radford is the lesser of the pair). Washington needs to at least make the semifinals of the Pac-12 Tournament, in order to net a NIT berth, because of their weak conference record. Otherwise, it is CBI or nothing for the Huskies. At this point, Oregon State is de facto seventh or eighth (depending on how you rank UCLA) in line for a postseason berth in the Pac-12. It looks to me like Oregon State probably punches its ticket to not only an NIT berth but an NIT hosting berth with a win over Utah. The only way that that does not come to pass is a huge Oregon win on Thursday. Hopefully, the Beavers can beat the Utes and a cold Duck team to sneak into the semifinals. Oregon State is unofficially officially out of an NCAA at large berth. You would need to see three monster wins and a squeaker in the championship game. And you would probably need the schedule to set up as Utah, Oregon, Arizona, and Colorado. (Arizona and Colorado did not do as well in conference, but their metrics would provide more of a boost than UCLA, Arizona State, and USC, who are all playing better than their talent level.) Even then, that would be something of a snowball's chance. I would add that the 8-9 game is probably the best game for making a run to the Championship game, because it provides the winner of the 8-9 game the most recovery rest during the run. Funny... 8/9 has to play the 1 seed, but has the "best game for making a championship run"? Just because of rest? Ha... PS- two sites have OSU as NIT 7th seed "italicized" meaning any 6th seed or below is not a sure thing... the other not in at all right now. One has the Utah/OSU winner in... maybe, loser out. The NIT is very dependent on auto bids... 12 or more of the 32 berths could be taken with crazy conference tournament action. UCLA is not ranked below OSU in ANY NCAA or NIT bracketology I've seen. The Bruins are postseason bound... period. Unless the 1 gets upset, you have to play the 1. You might as well play them, when they are cold. Feel free to disagree. I have not seen UCLA behind Oregon State in any bracketology. I would just note that Oregon State's NET ranking is better. UCLA's NET ranking alone would eliminate them from at large consideration in baseball. According to NBC, UCLA still needs to win 1-2 games, in order to clinch a spot in the Tournament. And the Bruins have two nightmare scenarios coming up. If Stanford beats California, Stanford-UCLA is probably for an at large berth. The loser is probably a one-seed in the NIT. If California beats Stanford, UCLA's NET suffers, and they probably need to beat the Arizona State/Colorado/Washington State winner to clinch an at large berth. Unless the Committee ignores the Bruins' home losses to NET 118 Hofstra (by 10!) and NET 262 Cal State Fullerton, UCLA still has work to do. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 10, 2020 14:27:25 GMT -8
Funny... 8/9 has to play the 1 seed, but has the "best game for making a championship run"? Just because of rest? Ha... PS- two sites have OSU as NIT 7th seed "italicized" meaning any 6th seed or below is not a sure thing... the other not in at all right now. One has the Utah/OSU winner in... maybe, loser out. The NIT is very dependent on auto bids... 12 or more of the 32 berths could be taken with crazy conference tournament action. UCLA is not ranked below OSU in ANY NCAA or NIT bracketology I've seen. The Bruins are postseason bound... period. He's putting too much reliance on NET rankings. UCLA is definitely getting a post season berth and there is no way UW is going anywhere with a losing record, despite their high NET ranking. UW would have to make it to the Pac12 tourney final game to get to 500 and get any sort of berth. They changed the NIT .500 rule a couple of years ago. They are still honoring it, but this could be the year that you see a sub-.500 NIT team. Washington is only behind Minnesota among highest-rated sub-.500 teams. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 10, 2020 14:57:55 GMT -8
Funny... 8/9 has to play the 1 seed, but has the "best game for making a championship run"? Just because of rest? Ha... PS- two sites have OSU as NIT 7th seed "italicized" meaning any 6th seed or below is not a sure thing... the other not in at all right now. One has the Utah/OSU winner in... maybe, loser out. The NIT is very dependent on auto bids... 12 or more of the 32 berths could be taken with crazy conference tournament action. UCLA is not ranked below OSU in ANY NCAA or NIT bracketology I've seen. The Bruins are postseason bound... period. Unless the 1 gets upset, you have to play the 1. You might as well play them, when they are cold. Feel free to disagree. I have not seen UCLA behind Oregon State in any bracketology. I would just note that Oregon State's NET ranking is better. UCLA's NET ranking alone would eliminate them from at large consideration in baseball. According to NBC, UCLA still needs to win 1-2 games, in order to clinch a spot in the Tournament. And the Bruins have two nightmare scenarios coming up. If Stanford beats California, Stanford-UCLA is probably for an at large berth. The loser is probably a one-seed in the NIT. If California beats Stanford, UCLA's NET suffers, and they probably need to beat the Arizona State/Colorado/Washington State winner to clinch an at large berth. Unless the Committee ignores the Bruins' home losses to NET 118 Hofstra (by 10!) and NET 262 Cal State Fullerton, UCLA still has work to do. Cold or well-rested? You're still counting on NET too much. UCLA has a very good record in conference and those bad losses were at the beginning of the year. The committee is going to factor that in. It's not a straight selection from NET rankings. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 10, 2020 15:25:22 GMT -8
Unless the 1 gets upset, you have to play the 1. You might as well play them, when they are cold. Feel free to disagree. I have not seen UCLA behind Oregon State in any bracketology. I would just note that Oregon State's NET ranking is better. UCLA's NET ranking alone would eliminate them from at large consideration in baseball. According to NBC, UCLA still needs to win 1-2 games, in order to clinch a spot in the Tournament. And the Bruins have two nightmare scenarios coming up. If Stanford beats California, Stanford-UCLA is probably for an at large berth. The loser is probably a one-seed in the NIT. If California beats Stanford, UCLA's NET suffers, and they probably need to beat the Arizona State/Colorado/Washington State winner to clinch an at large berth. Unless the Committee ignores the Bruins' home losses to NET 118 Hofstra (by 10!) and NET 262 Cal State Fullerton, UCLA still has work to do. Cold or well-rested? You're still counting on NET too much. UCLA has a very good record in conference and those bad losses were at the beginning of the year. The committee is going to factor that in. It's not a straight selection from NET rankings. I agree with your final sentence. Most everything that I read has that potential Stanford-UCLA game as a win and in game for both teams with the loser likely out. We will see. Of Oregon's five conference losses, four were in the first game of the weekend. Also Oregon was 17-0 at Eugene, 1-0 at Portland, and 6-7 at all other venues (two losses in Nassau and one loss in Boulder, Pullman, Stanford, Corvallis, and Tempe). As for your rhetorical, after two weekend games, Oregon had less than 120 hours to prepare for the next game three times: @ Washington State 72 - Oregon 61 Oregon 77 - @ California 72 @ Arizona State 77 - Oregon 72 I am hoping that the answer is cold. Oregon will have less time to recover than any of the three games mentioned above. |
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Post by beaversproud on Mar 10, 2020 19:37:55 GMT -8
I think the .net ranking is a work in progress. It did well last year, I think? maybe? but thats not the sole factor in determining who gets in... I'm pretty sure we all know this. So if UCLA stays hot, the committee will put them in. OSU has to win the whole thing to get in. But I think UCLA can get in with 2 wins. Which, if they keep playing well can happen.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 11, 2020 13:38:41 GMT -8
I think the .net ranking is a work in progress. It did well last year, I think? maybe? but thats not the sole factor in determining who gets in... I'm pretty sure we all know this. So if UCLA stays hot, the committee will put them in. OSU has to win the whole thing to get in. But I think UCLA can get in with 2 wins. Which, if they keep playing well can happen. RPI is such an awful indicator of future success that almost everything is better than it. NET is better, but the Committee really underused NET. St. John's making it into the Tournament last year with a NET of 73 was just awful. I watched St. John's. They were a glorified high school team and had no business in the field. I was sitting in Vegas with some St. John's alums, who were showing me their Arizona State tickets, because even they knew that St. John's had no business being there. |
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Post by beaversproud on Mar 11, 2020 17:01:35 GMT -8
I think the .net ranking is a work in progress. It did well last year, I think? maybe? but thats not the sole factor in determining who gets in... I'm pretty sure we all know this. So if UCLA stays hot, the committee will put them in. OSU has to win the whole thing to get in. But I think UCLA can get in with 2 wins. Which, if they keep playing well can happen. RPI is such an awful indicator of future success that almost everything is better than it. NET is better, but the Committee really underused NET. St. John's making it into the Tournament last year with a NET of 73 was just awful. I watched St. John's. They were a glorified high school team and had no business in the field. I was sitting in Vegas with some St. John's alums, who were showing me their Arizona State tickets, because even they knew that St. John's had no business being there. I think the .NET did well last year but I'm not 100% sure... I'm old you know |
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