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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 6, 2020 9:56:48 GMT -8
Since Slats Gill left, the only coaches to go 6 years with only 1 losing season at OSU are Miller and Tinkle. Tinkle = Miller Well, with 3 years of NCAA results vacated, Ralph had a 1-7 NCAA Tourney record. Wouldn't be too hard to match that. Tinkle just needs to get 1 NCAA win. Ralph was 3-10 in the tourney if you count the 3 vacated years......Too bad were we cheating during those years.
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Post by green85 on Mar 6, 2020 10:01:32 GMT -8
Drunk give up hes had 5 losing seasons in the games that count. We as fans deserve more. Not that the cupboard was ever full its going to be bare. Lets throw away two or three more years. Here's a fun stat....if Wayne comes back next season, he will be the third longest tenured coach in OSU history. Slats and Ralph are the only coaches to coach more than six seasons in the 120 year history of the school. I did not know that stat. Wayne Tinkle may not be the best option for a long term coach, but it appears OSU has had a tough time being patient to know if any coach is a long term solution. I predict Coach WT is back for 20-21. Maybe he can surprise fans with a well coached team that wins a bunch of Pac12 games next year.
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Post by beaversproud on Mar 6, 2020 10:08:14 GMT -8
We win more games than we lose and we're competitive in the Pac-12. At OSU, that shouldn't get you fired*, in any sport. That's my opinion. *by fired, I mean before your contract is up. If they chose to let his contract expire and move on, I'm fine with that. Loser talk. We have the coach we deserve. I feel like this is a bit of a harsh statement
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 6, 2020 10:08:52 GMT -8
Since Slats Gill left, the only coaches to go 6 years with only 1 losing season at OSU are Miller and Tinkle. Tinkle = Miller Not saying that at all, but he's certainly not the basketball equivalent of Kragthorpe.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 6, 2020 10:28:55 GMT -8
Drunk give up hes had 5 losing seasons in the games that count. We as fans deserve more. Not that the cupboard was ever full its going to be bare. Lets throw away two or three more years Might as well just thow away another 24-30 years. Fire him. If I were going get in the AD's ear about buying out his 6.6 million buck contract I'd say... It's a complete waste of time buying him out and finding a new experiment without making a real investment in the program. My suggestion would be to keep him for two more years and take the 4.3 million you would have spent towards those two years of the buyout and invest it in the program, starting Monday. Put it into recruiting, locker rooms, advertising, post game free concerts for game attendees, whatever... to generate some buzz and possible recruiting improvement... then prior to Tinkle's final year decide whether he's getting cut loose or not. It may be that some genuine support for the program impoves Tinkle's results as well. A serious investment in the program might actually attract a reasonably successful coach AND some better athletes as well. Without investment in the PROGRAM a simple coaching change is very unlikely to improve anything. OSU basketball wasn't rated as one of the worst jobs for a coach by the league's coaches for nothing (although some denyers here didn't believe the article in that earlier thread).
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Post by seastape on Mar 6, 2020 10:41:42 GMT -8
I can't answer your poll. Why? Because the best gravy is the right gravy for the meat you serve. Thanksgiving? Turkey. Roast Beef? Beef. Biscuits and gravy or chicken fried steak? Sausage.
Gravy is good.
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Post by nabeav on Mar 6, 2020 10:56:50 GMT -8
Drunk give up hes had 5 losing seasons in the games that count. We as fans deserve more. Not that the cupboard was ever full its going to be bare. Lets throw away two or three more years I need a definition of what we "deserve." Also need a definition of "throwing away."
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Post by alwaysorange on Mar 6, 2020 11:14:50 GMT -8
Geez the mentality of some. Why is mediocrity accepted? At best the men's basketball team is mediocre. That isn't something to be proud of. Maybe you were happy with Cs in school. Maybe you were overjoyed when your kid brought the report card home and it was straight Cs or perhaps there was a B- countered with a D+. If all you expect in life is mediocrity that's generally what the outcome is.
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Post by tnarg33 on Mar 6, 2020 11:30:58 GMT -8
WTF does "the fans shouldn't accept mediocrity" even mean. It's said on here all the time, but what does that mean? I am saying right here on Benny's House that I don't accept this mediocrity!!! Ok, now what? Unless you are donating most of your discretionary income to OSU, or at Barnes' office lobbying for more whatever it is you think you deserve, then you're just as complicit in "accepting the mediocrity" as everyone else. You could stay away from games and merchandise too but all that does is make OSU even less relevant and will lead to being even worse than mediocre. For a fan to say "I don't accept mediocrity" doesn't mean s%#t if you aren't actively dedicating your time/money/effort to changing things. None of these programs at any school really care what the fans think. If they make money for the school, that's the goal, not that the fans are getting what they deserve.
And before anyone gets their panties in a bunch, this isn't directed at anyone, it is the idea that we are "accepting mediocrity" by supporting our coach or teams or whatever when they aren't great that frustrates me. OSU athletics as a whole IS MEDIOCRE, being an OSU fan and supporting that isn't a character flaw.
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Post by TheGlove on Mar 6, 2020 11:52:37 GMT -8
Not saying that at all, but he's certainly not the basketball equivalent of Kragthorpe. Not explicitly, but you made the comparison. No one compared him to Kragthorpe.
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Post by mbabeav on Mar 6, 2020 13:08:12 GMT -8
What, no crystal gravy? In reality, it was Mom's gravy, but that wasn't a part of the poll
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Post by green85 on Mar 6, 2020 15:03:46 GMT -8
I can't answer your poll. Why? Because the best gravy is the right gravy for the meat you serve. Thanksgiving? Turkey. Roast Beef? Beef. Biscuits and gravy or chicken fried steak? Sausage.
Gravy is good. +1
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Post by obf on Mar 6, 2020 15:34:58 GMT -8
Geez the mentality of some. Why is mediocrity accepted? At best the men's basketball team is mediocre. That isn't something to be proud of. Maybe you were happy with Cs in school. Maybe you were overjoyed when your kid brought the report card home and it was straight Cs or perhaps there was a B- countered with a D+. If all you expect in life is mediocrity that's generally what the outcome is. Totally apples and oranges comparison... Unless you went to a HARDCORE grading on the curve school. Then it was possible for EVERY student in your class to get an A. There was no one ACTIVELY WORKING AGAINST you, trying to give you an 'F' so they could get the 'A'. In other words grades are not a zero sum game, but sports records are. Someone wins, someone loses. No one roots for mediocrity. No one "accepts" it either. Everyone wants every OSU team to win Every Championship, Every year. However, some people grasp the reality of the zero-sum game that is college athletics and uses that to temper their expectations. I am all for OSU working and striving as hard as possible. I will root as hard as possible. At the end of the day there is one winner and 349 losers (depending on sport) for the NCAA, 1 winner and 11 losers for the Pac-12, absolutly keep coaches and ADs accountable and demand the best out of them, and yes that means sometimes you have to fire someone underperforming, but in a zero-sum game you can't always just judge someone by their end result in absolute terms (if you don't get an 'A' you are fired). FWIW, if contract was not an issue I would be looking for a new coach in the offseason, but WT's contract IS a part of the equation. BTW, in my house growing up the letter grades stood for: 'A' == Average 'B' == Bad 'C' == Catastrophic 'D' == Don't come home 'F' == you are F*****
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Post by nabeav on Mar 6, 2020 15:52:58 GMT -8
If we make the NIT, Tinkle the Elder gets $30K. If OSU goes on a tear and wins the Pac-12 tournament, he would not only get a year added to his contract, he would get $150K. Each NCAA Tournament win is worth an additional $100K.
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Post by spudbeaver on Mar 6, 2020 20:09:30 GMT -8
Since Slats Gill left, the only coaches to go 6 years with only 1 losing season at OSU are Miller and Tinkle. Tinkle = Miller Ha ha! Minus the “More’s”!
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