bill82
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Post by bill82 on Mar 5, 2020 6:46:17 GMT -8
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Post by bucktoothvarmit on Mar 5, 2020 6:57:19 GMT -8
Not sure if mental or physical "toughness" can be coached but I believe it can be recruited.
Go Beavs!!
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Post by alwaysorange on Mar 5, 2020 7:20:35 GMT -8
By dragging our feet and some waiting for a miracle Damon and others will be gone.
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billsaab
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Retired. Live in SW Washington on 73/4 Acres.
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Post by billsaab on Mar 5, 2020 7:34:35 GMT -8
I would really be Surprised if they do that. Would be good. We are always reactive. Rarely proactive.
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Post by alwaysorange on Mar 5, 2020 7:58:31 GMT -8
Lets say for arguments sake a coach like John Beilein knocked on our door (as Erickson did) and said he would be interested in coaching here and he understood we couldn't pay a fortune. Would those that believe WT deserves more time change their mind or hold that WT can make miracles happen.
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Post by joeavocado on Mar 5, 2020 8:39:11 GMT -8
By dragging our feet and some waiting for a miracle Damon and others will be gone. Stoudamire? No thanks. He was 4-12 in a weak conference last year and finished 9th, second to last place, only thanks to a horrific coaching job by Terry Porter at UP. He's coached 4 seasons and three of them have been losing seasons, this is his first winning season. His overall record is about the same as Tinkle's, with a weaker schedule. I don't expect him to sustain much success, his one good player is a Senior. He may try to bail because he knows this season is likely an aberration.
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Post by nabeav on Mar 5, 2020 8:42:52 GMT -8
Lets say for arguments sake a coach like John Beilein knocked on our door (as Erickson did) and said he would be interested in coaching here and he understood we couldn't pay a fortune. Would those that believe WT deserves more time change their mind or hold that WT can make miracles happen. If they can get a better coach without hamstringing the rest of the athletic department, absolutely pull the trigger. I wanted Damon Stoudamire to get a look when we moved on from CR, so I'd be ecstatic if we found a way to get him here now that he's got a few years of head coaching experience under his belt.
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Post by nabeav on Mar 5, 2020 8:47:04 GMT -8
By dragging our feet and some waiting for a miracle Damon and others will be gone. Stoudamire? No thanks. He was 4-12 in a weak conference last year and finished 9th, second to last place, only thanks to a horrific coaching job by Terry Porter at UP. He's coached 4 seasons and three of them have been losing seasons, this is his first winning season. His overall record is about the same as Tinkle's, with a weaker schedule. I don't expect him to sustain much success, his one good player is a Senior. He may try to bail because he knows this season is likely an aberration. Damon was severely hamstrung by sanctions imposed on the program stemming from the previous coach being complicit in academic fraud and encouraging people to lie about it to the NCAA. Pacific self imposed a scholarship reduction, barred itself from postseason, and just got off probation prior to this season. So his first full season on equal footing with his peer institutions, he's produced one of the best seasons in Pacific's history a season more in line with Pacific's distinguished history under Bob Thomason. www.insidehighered.com/news/2017/09/21/ncaa-punishes-pacific-after-basketball-coach-helped-recruits-cheat
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Post by beaverinohio on Mar 5, 2020 8:52:37 GMT -8
I don't know if WT has no self-awareness, but he could have said the same message in a way that didn't, A) throw his players under the bus, and B) make it sound like he doesn't share any blame with this. These are his recruits and as someone pointed out, he should be recruiting kids who are mentally and physically tough. Don't have to be a 5* or 4* to have those attributes. Also, up to the coach to get those things out of his kids. And I think his coaching style as well as his use of his players isn't helping to bring out those attributes in his players.
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Post by spudbeaver on Mar 5, 2020 8:57:54 GMT -8
By dragging our feet and some waiting for a miracle Damon and others will be gone. Stoudamire? No thanks. He was 4-12 in a weak conference last year and finished 9th, second to last place, only thanks to a horrific coaching job by Terry Porter at UP. He's coached 4 seasons and three of them have been losing seasons, this is his first winning season. His overall record is about the same as Tinkle's, with a weaker schedule. I don't expect him to sustain much success, his one good player is a Senior. He may try to bail because he knows this season is likely an aberration. You're right. Porter sounds like the target!
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Post by joeavocado on Mar 5, 2020 10:57:45 GMT -8
Stoudamire? No thanks. He was 4-12 in a weak conference last year and finished 9th, second to last place, only thanks to a horrific coaching job by Terry Porter at UP. He's coached 4 seasons and three of them have been losing seasons, this is his first winning season. His overall record is about the same as Tinkle's, with a weaker schedule. I don't expect him to sustain much success, his one good player is a Senior. He may try to bail because he knows this season is likely an aberration. Damon was severely hamstrung by sanctions imposed on the program stemming from the previous coach being complicit in academic fraud and encouraging people to lie about it to the NCAA. Pacific self imposed a scholarship reduction, barred itself from postseason, and just got off probation prior to this season. So his first full season on equal footing with his peer institutions, he's produced one of the best seasons in Pacific's history. www.insidehighered.com/news/2017/09/21/ncaa-punishes-pacific-after-basketball-coach-helped-recruits-cheatIt's definitely not "one of the best seasons in Pacific's history", they are an NIT team. They were very good for many years under Bob Thomason, including going 35-1 in the Big West from 2003-2005. They've been to the NCAA tourney four times since 2003, getting to the second round three times. Before Stoudamire got there they had winning seasons in 12 out of the prior 16 years, including 27-4 in 2004-05. They have a long history of success at UOP.
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Post by nabeav on Mar 5, 2020 11:09:45 GMT -8
Damon was severely hamstrung by sanctions imposed on the program stemming from the previous coach being complicit in academic fraud and encouraging people to lie about it to the NCAA. Pacific self imposed a scholarship reduction, barred itself from postseason, and just got off probation prior to this season. So his first full season on equal footing with his peer institutions, he's produced one of the best seasons in Pacific's history. www.insidehighered.com/news/2017/09/21/ncaa-punishes-pacific-after-basketball-coach-helped-recruits-cheatIt's definitely not "one of the best seasons in Pacific's history", they are an NIT team. They were very good for many years under Bob Thomason, including going 35-1 in the Big West from 2003-2005. They've been to the NCAA tourney four times since 2003, getting to the second round three times. Before Stoudamire got there they had winning seasons in 12 out of the prior 16 years, including 27-4 in 2004-05. They have a long history of success at UOP. You're right, that was a mistake on my part. I saw a tweet that said they had their highest ever NET ranking and didn't even think that NET was only a few years old. Thanks for the correction.
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 5, 2020 11:15:39 GMT -8
It's definitely not "one of the best seasons in Pacific's history", they are an NIT team. They were very good for many years under Bob Thomason, including going 35-1 in the Big West from 2003-2005. They've been to the NCAA tourney four times since 2003, getting to the second round three times. Before Stoudamire got there they had winning seasons in 12 out of the prior 16 years, including 27-4 in 2004-05. They have a long history of success at UOP. You're right, that was a mistake on my part. I saw a tweet that said they had their highest ever NET ranking and didn't even think that NET was only a few years old. Thanks for the correction. How could you forget the Michael Olowokandi legacy. #1 draft pick in 1998.
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Post by alwaysorange on Mar 5, 2020 12:44:04 GMT -8
Wouldn't it be interesting if the players could say what they think of the coaches. But they probably have more class than that.
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Post by obf on Mar 5, 2020 15:07:18 GMT -8
I have never really understood this concept or complaint or response to some coach speak.... "OMFG!!!! THE COACH JUST THREW THE PLAYERS UNDER THE BUS!!!!! WHAT AN ASSHOLE! FIRE HIM NOW! SHOOT HIM IN THE FACE! KICK HIM WHILE HE IS DOWN! I CAN'T BELIEVE HE MAY HAVE JUST HURT THESE POOR LITTLE BOYS' FEELINGS WITH A GENERIC AND VAGUE STATEMENT THAT INCLUDED HIMSELF!!!!!!" Especially in light of some of the threads and statements we all make on this message board, twitter, FB, Insta, etc. I get the angst and vitrol more when a coach calls out individual players or calls out players in degrading or lying fashion, but that's not what these statements were. These were some, more honest that most coachs (which is one of the few things I still like about WT!), frustrated meanderings looking back at a lost season after a weekend off. It isn't like he hasn't said these same things multiple times before. I can garuntee he is more frustrated and disappointed than any of us over this season. Did WT say anything false? Nope. Was he mean or rude? Nope. Did he single anyone out? Nope. Did he include himself in the statements? Some of them. Are these players 8 year olds playing their first 6 ft basket games? Nope. I don't know, I just don't see what the big deal is. Seems like people who want to get fired up and angry at WT are just trying to read into these statements more than is there. I get it, this season has sucked, and many are ready to move on from WT, I myself would be ok with that, but assume it won't happen. But let's at least get fired up for his actual failings. The failure in these statements is that he has said them many times before, and you can see and hear him say similar things EVERY SINGLE GAME to the players, and yet nothing changes. Even He recognises this. IMHO THIS is the key quote in the article: He clearly feels like he can't get through to this team. Since half the team has been around for a while and/or are graduating/possibly moving on, this must be a statement about the 7 new comers? Or maybe something has changed or soured in his relationship with his son? or KK? or Ethan? I guess we will see what happens with Ethan, if he stays or goes or transfers. And since I am complaining and ranting.... Here is MY biggest beef with WT. The only young guys in the history of his tenure here who have been allowed to develop and play early are legacy players and petted favorites. GPII, TT, The Thompson bros, Eubanks, Riechle and Alfred Hollins for some asinine reason. But then other, seemingly more talented player, players who have even shown BETTER STRETCHES than the favorites mire on the bench or get sporadic playing time. Warren, Lucas and SMM this year, etc. OK.... I ran out of steam... You can all tear this post a part now
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