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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 2, 2020 16:19:36 GMT -8
Warren Nolan Projection:
1. Oregon 13-5
2. Arizona State 12-6
3. UCLA 12-6
4. Arizona 11-7
5. Colorado 11-7
6. USC 11-7
7. Stanford 10-8
8. California 7-11
9. Utah 6-12
10. Washington State 6-12
11. Oregon State 6-12
12. Washington 3-15
Oregon State would play USC. The winner would play UCLA, followed by the Arizona State-Stanford-Washington State winner. In the scenario above, Oregon State would have the tiebreaker over Utah (better record against Oregon), but Utah has the tiebreaker over Washington State and a three-way tiebreaker.
The projection above is Oregon State beating California but losing to Stanford. If the Beavers sweep the Bay Area schools, they would set up a game with California with the winner playing Oregon. Going 3-1 against that slate should be good enough for an NIT berth. The winner of California-Oregon-Oregon State would then play the Arizona-Colorado-Washington winner.
Oregon owns the tiebreaker over both Arizona State and UCLA for the conference championship. If Oregon wins the Pac-12, Oregon State owns the tiebreaker over California and Utah. But Washington and Washington State each hold the tiebreaker over Oregon State. So, even though Oregon State probably holds the tiebreaker over California and Utah, California and Utah can still pass Oregon State, if there is a multiple-team tie with Washington State.
If Oregon gets swept, the teams that finish 11-7 will determine who holds the various tiebreakers, as California and Utah have not posted a win over Arizona State and UCLA. It is possible for there to be a six-team tie for second at 11-7.
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Post by beaversproud on Mar 2, 2020 22:36:04 GMT -8
No haughty opinion in or after your post Wilky?
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 2, 2020 23:43:34 GMT -8
No haughty opinion in or after your post Wilky? Haughty always makes me sing of the song "Gather Us In": That's probably just me, though..... |
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Post by osubeaver2018 on Mar 7, 2020 15:48:21 GMT -8
Warren Nolan Projection: 1. Oregon 13-5
2. Arizona State 12-6
3. UCLA 12-6
4. Arizona 11-7
5. Colorado 11-7
6. USC 11-7
7. Stanford 10-8
8. California 7-11
9. Utah 6-12
10. Washington State 6-12
11. Oregon State 6-12
12. Washington 3-15
Oregon State would play USC. The winner would play UCLA, followed by the Arizona State-Stanford-Washington State winner. In the scenario above, Oregon State would have the tiebreaker over Utah (better record against Oregon), but Utah has the tiebreaker over Washington State and a three-way tiebreaker.
The projection above is Oregon State beating California but losing to Stanford. If the Beavers sweep the Bay Area schools, they would set up a game with California with the winner playing Oregon. Going 3-1 against that slate should be good enough for an NIT berth. The winner of California-Oregon-Oregon State would then play the Arizona-Colorado-Washington winner.
Oregon owns the tiebreaker over both Arizona State and UCLA for the conference championship. If Oregon wins the Pac-12, Oregon State owns the tiebreaker over California and Utah. But Washington and Washington State each hold the tiebreaker over Oregon State. So, even though Oregon State probably holds the tiebreaker over California and Utah, California and Utah can still pass Oregon State, if there is a multiple-team tie with Washington State.
If Oregon gets swept, the teams that finish 11-7 will determine who holds the various tiebreakers, as California and Utah have not posted a win over Arizona State and UCLA. It is possible for there to be a six-team tie for second at 11-7.
So does this week confirm we are in the 8/9 game or can a WSU win shake things up still? |
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Post by beaverbeliever71 on Mar 7, 2020 16:01:19 GMT -8
if WSU wins there would be 4 way tie of teams(WSU, OSU, Utah and Cal) all at 7-11 and OSU would end up a the 11th seed I believe in that scenario
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Post by TheGlove on Mar 7, 2020 16:29:12 GMT -8
if WSU wins there would be 4 way tie of teams(WSU, OSU, Utah and Cal) all at 7-11 and OSU would end up a the 11th seed I believe in that scenario P12 network showed us as the 8 seed. Match up with the Yoots in rd one. |
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Post by pabeaver on Mar 7, 2020 16:40:32 GMT -8
if WSU wins there would be 4 way tie of teams(WSU, OSU, Utah and Cal) all at 7-11 and OSU would end up a the 11th seed I believe in that scenario P12 network showed us as the 8 seed. Match up with the Yoots in rd one. It kinda feels like it doesn’t matter who we play, we have about as equal of a chance or winning or losing. I’d feel pretty good with the 8 seed against Utah though |
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Post by osubeaver2018 on Mar 7, 2020 16:45:16 GMT -8
P12 network showed us as the 8 seed. Match up with the Yoots in rd one. It kinda feels like it doesn’t matter who we play, we have about as equal of a chance or winning or losing. I’d feel pretty good with the 8 seed against Utah though I was hoping for Cal again. With Utah beating colorado though that threw a wrench in that. UCLA losing to USC looks to have sealed the winner of a game against Utah plays oregon in round 2. |
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Post by nexus73 on Mar 7, 2020 16:52:24 GMT -8
Look at the boy's 3-A tournament bracket. You will see the underdog seeds were winning with the result being a #9 seed faces a #10 seed for the state title. In a way this reminds me of the Pac-12, where no dominant team exists and everyone knocks everyone else off. If nothing else, we have a puncher's chance to do some damage to the rest of the field.
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Post by beaverstever on Mar 7, 2020 21:14:41 GMT -8
ASU holds on, so it looks like it will be Utah in the first round.
I really don't understand the Pac 12 MBB
- How does Utah finish as poorly as OSU this year? I'm guessing Utah fans have similar issues with Larry as some do with WT. They have had a lot to build on, but aren't doing much.
- How does Stanford (likely) finish 500 in conference? They were a team that looked really solid coming into the season. OSU somehow sweeps them. This is a team that waxed OU in the preseason, lost by 1 to Butler, and only other loss was to KU.
- UW opened the season beating Baylor, who has spent a lot of time at #1, yet finishes last in the conference. Yes, I realize they lost a starting pg, but this is not a program that should be one player away (and a player that just transferred in this season) from last in the conference.
- How does UO manage to lose 5 games in this mess of a conference, particularly with a very good senior PG.
- How does UCLA, who was a complete mess, challenge for the conference title on a coaching change year?
- How does Colo and UA, with all their talent, barely manage to go over 500 in conference.
Weird year that seemed like team matchups really made a huge difference. OSU was 4 conference wins from being a top 4 conference team and easily in the Dance, but they didn't find a way - going 2-4 against the bottom 4 in the conference was the difference. Strangely though, most of the conference teams were similarly erratic, and I won't be surprised if no Pac-12 teams are still standing for the second weekend of the tournament.
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Post by beaverstever on Mar 7, 2020 21:21:59 GMT -8
Also, OSU has 5 Quadrant 1 wins - only 20 teams in the country have more, and only 2 teams in the Pac-12 have more. Arizona as 3, yet currently projected as a 7 seed. OSU went 5-6 vs. Quad 1 (very respectable), 0-5 vs. Quad 2 (brutal), 2-2 vs Quad 3 (brutal), 9-0 vs Quad (clean). Really strange line that explains how the season felt to us fans. bracketresearch.com/team-quadrant-wins-and-losses-tracker/I don't know a similar source for WBB analysis, but I'm pretty sure the OSU WBB team has at most 1 loss that's not in Quad 1 in USC, but even that is right on the edge of still being a quad 1 road game. We're very spoiled by the consistency of the women's team. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Mar 7, 2020 21:29:37 GMT -8
Also, OSU has 5 Quadrant 1 wins - only 20 teams in the country have more, and only 2 teams in the Pac-12 have more. Arizona as 3, yet currently projected as a 7 seed. OSU went 5-6 vs. Quad 1 (very respectable), 0-5 vs. Quad 2 (brutal), 2-2 vs Quad 3 (brutal), 9-0 vs Quad (clean). Really strange line that explains how the season felt to us fans. bracketresearch.com/team-quadrant-wins-and-losses-tracker/But, 0-5 vs NET Quad 2... 3-7 vs Quad 1 RPI, 3-5 Quad 2 RPI... over half our wins in NET and RPI are vs Quad 4 teams. I just can't see how 6 Pac12 teams go dancing?? |
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Post by beaverstever on Mar 7, 2020 21:37:05 GMT -8
Also, OSU has 5 Quadrant 1 wins - only 20 teams in the country have more, and only 2 teams in the Pac-12 have more. Arizona as 3, yet currently projected as a 7 seed. OSU went 5-6 vs. Quad 1 (very respectable), 0-5 vs. Quad 2 (brutal), 2-2 vs Quad 3 (brutal), 9-0 vs Quad (clean). Really strange line that explains how the season felt to us fans. bracketresearch.com/team-quadrant-wins-and-losses-tracker/But, 0-5 vs NET Quad 2... 3-7 vs Quad 1 RPI, 3-5 Quad 2 RPI... over half our wins in NET and RPI are vs Quad 4 teams. I just can't see how 6 Pac12 teams go dancing?? And yet Lunardi has 7 currently in ... I guess it's slim pickins all over the place www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology |
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Post by beaverinohio on Mar 8, 2020 6:30:47 GMT -8
Also, OSU has 5 Quadrant 1 wins - only 20 teams in the country have more, and only 2 teams in the Pac-12 have more. Arizona as 3, yet currently projected as a 7 seed. OSU went 5-6 vs. Quad 1 (very respectable), 0-5 vs. Quad 2 (brutal), 2-2 vs Quad 3 (brutal), 9-0 vs Quad (clean). Really strange line that explains how the season felt to us fans. bracketresearch.com/team-quadrant-wins-and-losses-tracker/But, 0-5 vs NET Quad 2... 3-7 vs Quad 1 RPI, 3-5 Quad 2 RPI... over half our wins in NET and RPI are vs Quad 4 teams. I just can't see how 6 Pac12 teams go dancing?? It will be interesting to see how the committee handles UCLA (NET worse than OSU) and Stanford (29 NET but so-so record). Jerry Palm at CBS has both of them as bubble teams but both in. I think Beav fans should be rooting for Stanford in their opener and then UCLA. Probably would ensure both would get in, leaving NIT for the Beavs. If one of those two don’t make the tourney, don’t think it is out of the question that NIT only takes the team that doesn’t make it — especially if Beavs lose to Utah. |
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Post by bspp on Mar 8, 2020 8:20:16 GMT -8
ASU holds on, so it looks like it will be Utah in the first round. I really don't understand the Pac 12 MBB - How does Utah finish as poorly as OSU this year? I'm guessing Utah fans have similar issues with Larry as some do with WT. They have had a lot to build on, but aren't doing much. - How does Stanford (likely) finish 500 in conference? They were a team that looked really solid coming into the season. OSU somehow sweeps them. This is a team that waxed OU in the preseason, lost by 1 to Butler, and only other loss was to KU. - UW opened the season beating Baylor, who has spent a lot of time at #1, yet finishes last in the conference. Yes, I realize they lost a starting pg, but this is not a program that should be one player away (and a player that just transferred in this season) from last in the conference. - How does UO manage to lose 5 games in this mess of a conference, particularly with a very good senior PG. - How does UCLA, who was a complete mess, challenge for the conference title on a coaching change year? - How does Colo and UA, with all their talent, barely manage to go over 500 in conference. Weird year that seemed like team matchups really made a huge difference. OSU was 4 conference wins from being a top 4 conference team and easily in the Dance, but they didn't find a way - going 2-4 against the bottom 4 in the conference was the difference. Strangely though, most of the conference teams were similarly erratic, and I won't be surprised if no Pac-12 teams are still standing for the second weekend of the tournament. Guessing you don’t understand the extent of the Oregon injuries. Juiston, Walker, Dante, and Duarte all missed multiple weeks. Pritchard was nursing a bad knee in the middle of the season and Richardson is playing on a bad ankle right now. |
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