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Post by alwaysorange on Feb 28, 2020 6:08:35 GMT -8
You think this year is bad just wait til next year. Yikes But, wait I read that not coaching your son will make the team better?! It doesn't matter whose son he coaches. We are #11. We are #11.
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Post by Werebeaver on Feb 28, 2020 7:41:23 GMT -8
But, wait I read that not coaching your son will make the team better?! It doesn't matter whose son he coaches. We are #11. We are #11. #11 is twice as good as #1.
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 28, 2020 9:55:09 GMT -8
But, wait I read that not coaching your son will make the team better?! It doesn't matter whose son he coaches. We are #11. We are #11. But, ummm... I'm sure I read this was the year... no guarantees, but this team was ready!? Pretty sure some on this board had this team 9-9 or better... like fairly sure deal?! And, I'm guessing... the league is better... another anomaly season... assist coaches (fairly new topic not yet mentioned as an excuse)... secret injuries... not enough money... any I've missed? Now, wallowing into a possible NIT berth will end up being a positive to the same that thought we were much better.
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Post by joeavocado on Feb 28, 2020 10:12:11 GMT -8
This team screwed the pooch early on (a trend with Robinson and Tinkle teams) with losses to Texas A&M (NET# 116), Cal (NET# 142), UW (NET# 63), and WSU (NET# 120), those were all games where we've seen veteran players step up in the past (Payton I, Payton II, Ortiz, etc.) and lead their team to a win. You have to go 3-1 or 2-2 at a minimum in those games, 0-4 is completely unacceptable for a team with the veterans that OSU had coming back. Those games told me this team lacked leadership. And moving the 3-pt line back hurt OSU more than other teams, as shown by OSU's abysmal shooting pct. Tinkle is a good, not great, outside shooter...push him a little further out and he really struggles.
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Post by alwaysorange on Feb 28, 2020 10:29:53 GMT -8
Come on WT fans say it LOUD say it PROUD. WE ARE #11. WE ARE #11. After six years of building a program. Imagine the possibilities with a few more years.
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Post by spudbeaver on Feb 28, 2020 11:31:02 GMT -8
It doesn't matter whose son he coaches. We are #11. We are #11. But, ummm... I'm sure I read this was the year... no guarantees, but this team was ready!? Pretty sure some on this board had this team 9-9 or better... like fairly sure deal?! And, I'm guessing... the league is better... another anomaly season... assist coaches (fairly new topic not yet mentioned as an excuse)... secret injuries... not enough money... any I've missed? Now, wallowing into a possible NIT berth will end up being a positive to the same that thought we were much better. Have to blame Gill too! *Coliseum, not Slats!
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Post by spudbeaver on Feb 28, 2020 11:35:17 GMT -8
Come on WT fans say it LOUD say it PROUD. WE ARE #11. WE ARE #11. After six years of building a program. Imagine the possibilities with a few more years. Be careful! Just think how far we could fall if we moved on with the "wrong" new coach! Wait, not very far.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 28, 2020 14:16:13 GMT -8
This team screwed the pooch early on (a trend with Robinson and Tinkle teams) with losses to Texas A&M (NET# 116), Cal (NET# 142), UW (NET# 63), and WSU (NET# 120), those were all games where we've seen veteran players step up in the past (Payton I, Payton II, Ortiz, etc.) and lead their team to a win. You have to go 3-1 or 2-2 at a minimum in those games, 0-4 is completely unacceptable for a team with the veterans that OSU had coming back. Those games told me this team lacked leadership. And moving the 3-pt line back hurt OSU more than other teams, as shown by OSU's abysmal shooting pct. Tinkle is a good, not great, outside shooter...push him a little further out and he really struggles. A&M is not a terrible loss. They had an 0-4 stretch, including going 0-3 at the Orlando Invitational in the five games before Oregon State showed up, which colored the perception that they were some kind of walkover. The Aggies are in the top half of the SEC, including a double-digit win over a Mississippi State team that is on the bubble. I do not know who we wronged at Washington State for them to retire Klay Thompson's jersey, during the Oregon State game. They were averaging about 2,295/game heading into the Beaver game. They retire Thompson's jersey, and 10,380 turn out! They got less than half of that for the Apple Cup game against Washington! The last time that Washington State had that many fans was Thompson's Junior season (he declared after the season ended), when he led the Cougars to an NIT Final Four. Few teams would not have buckled in front of 10,380 in Pullman. Oregon State buckled. It happens. Washington started well (3-point win over Baylor in Alaska and 32-point win against USC), but close losses to Oregon and Utah seem to have broken the team. The Huskies just nipped a nine-game losing streak in the bud (with a 35-point win over California). The Washington team that beat Baylor, USC, Oregon State, and California is not the same team that lost nine straight. The Beavers caught them at the wrong time. California is trash. If the same Oregon State team that beat Stanford had showed up in Berkeley, the Beavers win that game going away. But it is hard to win at Haas, and, for some reason, the Oregon State game was the most-attended game at Haas outside of the Stanford game.
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 28, 2020 14:22:46 GMT -8
This team screwed the pooch early on (a trend with Robinson and Tinkle teams) with losses to Texas A&M (NET# 116), Cal (NET# 142), UW (NET# 63), and WSU (NET# 120), those were all games where we've seen veteran players step up in the past (Payton I, Payton II, Ortiz, etc.) and lead their team to a win. You have to go 3-1 or 2-2 at a minimum in those games, 0-4 is completely unacceptable for a team with the veterans that OSU had coming back. Those games told me this team lacked leadership. And moving the 3-pt line back hurt OSU more than other teams, as shown by OSU's abysmal shooting pct. Tinkle is a good, not great, outside shooter...push him a little further out and he really struggles. A&M is not a terrible loss. They had an 0-4 stretch, including going 0-3 at the Orlando Invitational in the five games before Oregon State showed up, which colored the perception that they were some kind of walkover. The Aggies are in the top half of the SEC, including a double-digit win over a Mississippi State team that is on the bubble. I do not know who we wronged at Washington State for them to retire Klay Thompson's jersey, during the Oregon State game. They were averaging about 2,295/game heading into the Beaver game. They retire Thompson's jersey, and 10,380 turn out! They got less than half of that for the Apple Cup game against Washington! The last time that Washington State had that many fans was Thompson's Junior season (he declared after the season ended), when he led the Cougars to an NIT Final Four. Few teams would not have buckled in front of 10,380 in Pullman. Oregon State buckled. It happens. Washington started well (3-point win over Baylor in Alaska and 32-point win against USC), but close losses to Oregon and Utah seem to have broken the team. The Huskies just nipped a nine-game losing streak in the bud (with a 35-point win over California). The Washington team that beat Baylor, USC, Oregon State, and California is not the same team that lost nine straight. The Beavers caught them at the wrong time. California is trash. If the same Oregon State team that beat Stanford had showed up in Berkeley, the Beavers win that game going away. But it is hard to win at Haas, and, for some reason, the Oregon State game was the most-attended game at Haas outside of the Stanford game. Wow... let's make it simple for you... 10-2 to 15-13/5-11. Excuse away...
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Post by treasurevalleybeav on Feb 28, 2020 14:23:59 GMT -8
And now that we covered the somewhat pooch screwing losses, we can move on to the games we couldn’t close out and barely lost. Probably several of those too lol
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Post by mbabeav on Feb 28, 2020 14:29:08 GMT -8
Listened to the Joe Beaver Show - not one phone call, not even Dave from Twater - the apathy surrounding the basketball team is the worst part of this whole sad collapse. We slap Arizona around, and then go skydiving without a parachute.....
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 28, 2020 15:26:17 GMT -8
A&M is not a terrible loss. They had an 0-4 stretch, including going 0-3 at the Orlando Invitational in the five games before Oregon State showed up, which colored the perception that they were some kind of walkover. The Aggies are in the top half of the SEC, including a double-digit win over a Mississippi State team that is on the bubble. I do not know who we wronged at Washington State for them to retire Klay Thompson's jersey, during the Oregon State game. They were averaging about 2,295/game heading into the Beaver game. They retire Thompson's jersey, and 10,380 turn out! They got less than half of that for the Apple Cup game against Washington! The last time that Washington State had that many fans was Thompson's Junior season (he declared after the season ended), when he led the Cougars to an NIT Final Four. Few teams would not have buckled in front of 10,380 in Pullman. Oregon State buckled. It happens. Washington started well (3-point win over Baylor in Alaska and 32-point win against USC), but close losses to Oregon and Utah seem to have broken the team. The Huskies just nipped a nine-game losing streak in the bud (with a 35-point win over California). The Washington team that beat Baylor, USC, Oregon State, and California is not the same team that lost nine straight. The Beavers caught them at the wrong time. California is trash. If the same Oregon State team that beat Stanford had showed up in Berkeley, the Beavers win that game going away. But it is hard to win at Haas, and, for some reason, the Oregon State game was the most-attended game at Haas outside of the Stanford game. Wow... let's make it simple for you... 10-2 to 15-13/5-11. Excuse away... This is a non sequitur. 15-13. In the past 30 seasons, Oregon State has started 15-13 or better exactly seven times, and a majority of those times have been under Tinkle. Best 28 game starts since 1989-90: 2004-05 8-9 16-12 NIT 2011-12 5-11 15-13 2013-14 7-9 15-13 2014-15 6-10 17-11 2015-16 8-9 17-11 NCAA Tournament 2018-19 10-8 16-12 2019-20 5-11 15-13
Wayne Tinkle has posted the three best 28-game starts and another upper-quarter 28-game start over the past 30 years.
Of course, before 1990-91, the last time that Oregon State started 15-13 or worse? 1976-77, in Ralph Miller's seventh year.
Miller similarly had two years, where he did not achieve 15 wins in his first six seasons (three if you include the forfeits in 1975-76). After his last sub-15-win season in 1973-74, he reeled off 15 consecutive 15+ win seasons. (Or, if you believe in unjust forfeits, after 1975-76, he reeled off 13 consecutive 15+ win seasons.)
My first point is that Tinkle has been light years better than any coach since GP graduated.
My second point is that, if we had fired Miller after he posted four (or three, depending on how you count 1975-76) 15+ seasons and one Tournament berth in his first six seasons, the following 13 seasons of Oregon State basketball dominance probably do not come to pass.
If Oregon State is a train wreck next year, light up the torches by all means.
It's simply too early for me to jump off of the bandwagon.
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Post by beaversrock on Feb 28, 2020 15:37:33 GMT -8
They didn't take 66 teams to the NCAA ad 32 to the NIT Ralphs first 6 years our we would have been to more tournaments. Trying to compare WT to RM is the most ridiculous things you have posted on this site.
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 28, 2020 15:37:52 GMT -8
Wow... let's make it simple for you... 10-2 to 15-13/5-11. Excuse away... This is a non sequitur. 15-13. In the past 30 seasons, Oregon State has started 15-13 or better exactly seven times, and a majority of those times have been under Tinkle. Best 28 game starts since 1989-90: 2004-05 8-9 16-12 NIT 2011-12 5-11 15-13 2013-14 7-9 15-13 2014-15 6-10 17-11 2015-16 8-9 17-11 NCAA Tournament 2018-19 10-8 16-12 2019-20 5-11 15-13
Wayne Tinkle has posted the three best 28-game starts and another upper-quarter 28-game start over the past 30 years.
Of course, before 1990-91, the last time that Oregon State started 15-13 or worse? 1976-77, in Ralph Miller's seventh year.
Miller similarly had two years, where he did not achieve 15 wins in his first six seasons (three if you include the forfeits in 1975-76). After his last sub-15-win season in 1973-74, he reeled off 15 consecutive 15+ win seasons. (Or, if you believe in unjust forfeits, after 1975-76, he reeled off 13 consecutive 15+ win seasons.)
My first point is that Tinkle has been light years better than any coach since GP graduated.
My second point is that, if we had fired Miller after he posted four (or three, depending on how you count 1975-76) 15+ seasons and one Tournament berth in his first six seasons, the following 13 seasons of Oregon State basketball dominance probably do not come to pass.
If Oregon State is a train wreck next year, light up the torches by all means.
It's simply too early for me to jump off of the bandwagon.The past justifies the present and the future?
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Post by Judge Smails on Feb 28, 2020 15:43:59 GMT -8
They didn't take 66 teams to the NCAA ad 32 to the NIT Ralphs first 6 years our we would have been to more tournaments. Trying to compare WT to RM is the most ridiculous things you have posted on this site. Comparing WT to Ritchie McKay is not that ridiculous.
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