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Post by nabeav on Mar 3, 2020 14:12:53 GMT -8
Congrats, baseba1111, you've definitively proved that we are not as good as we were last year. Glad you solved that riddle. I don't think you can find one person on here that thought we met expectations this year. Frustrating doesn't begin to explain it. Another factor to consider is that the level of play across the conference has risen considerably. Projected for 7 tournament teams, most ever. We didn't keep pace. Since I feel like I need to say this on every post, I'll say it again. I'm not endorsing Wayne Tinkle for a lifetime contract. I just don't think we've reached the "he needs to go" point yet. |
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Post by TheGlove on Mar 3, 2020 14:28:10 GMT -8
A whole lot of wonky stat analysis in this thread.
There's only one stat that means anything.
Do you know what it is?
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Post by baseba1111 on Mar 3, 2020 14:29:38 GMT -8
Again... no it doesn't... you might want to read up on how the rating it figured! LOL As Ken Pom states, "Consistency is basically the standard deviation of scoring difference by game for a team. Again, it’s not included in the ratings calculation. It can be an aid in determining which teams are overrated by my system". "full of warts" and not used as part of his rankings... And, as he states, the higher the ranking the more losses to lower or unranked teams affect the ranking. Higher ranking would not be the issue with OSU's number. But, keep up the good work WT appreciates the support. You are going off half-cocked here, my friend. I didn't use Ken Pom's "consistency" rating, so you cannot accuse me of not reading up on a rating that I did not use. I mean, you can, but........... Your post is very cynical and bitter for some reason. I know that we disagree, but please take a breath. There's no cynic or bitterness... all consistency ratings are made up stats and vary in the composition very little. No matter which you used is grasping at air to try to provide some firm ground you seem to need when ignoring the key facts. So, do tell us, which "consistency rating" did you read up on? And, who and what is actually used for... besides betting lets say! I'm afraid the cynic seems to be you in several of the stances you take on this board. You either blurt out information you have no professional experience, foundation, or knowledge with digging up internet fodder. Typically to find obscure data to try to contradict highly accepted statistical standards. I can tell you this... find whatever "consistency" number you'd like... there's not to many posters that will agree on this or past WT teams being anything close to consistent! Unless of course inconsistently consistent counts? Facts have been shown by multiple posters that during this regime... recruiting has not been better, blow out 10+/20+ not better, W/L not significantly better, statistical growth/improvements have not been better, and without objective data it's safe to say overall player development throughout the roster has not been better. Banter away... My bills, laptop errands are done... so you can have the floor on a topic as... yeah  Good luck |
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Post by baseba1111 on Mar 3, 2020 14:30:37 GMT -8
A whole lot of wonky stat analysis in this thread. There's only one stat that means anything. Do you know what it is? 5-11 and 26 games under .500 in Pac12 play? |
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Post by billsaab on Mar 3, 2020 14:59:31 GMT -8
This Team is just worse than last Years. Tres played better. We are playing like we did in last Years Tourny Pac 12. I just have no reason to think Mr Tinkle can remedy this mess. I also wonder who will Bail ?
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Post by baseba1111 on Mar 3, 2020 15:05:38 GMT -8
Congrats, baseba1111 , you've definitively proved that we are not as good as we were last year. Glad you solved that riddle. I don't think you can find one person on here that thought we met expectations this year. Frustrating doesn't begin to explain it. Another factor to consider is that the level of play across the conference has risen considerably. Projected for 7 tournament teams, most ever. We didn't keep pace. Since I feel like I need to say this on every post, I'll say it again. I'm not endorsing Wayne Tinkle for a lifetime contract. I just don't think we've reached the "he needs to go" point yet. Isn't that part of the issue... the league has gotten better and OSU has not coming off a NCAA berth? If a coach can't garner an uptick from that as the league is bound to improve from, what a 3 team NCAA year, when/how is he? So, my query to you is when do the excuses run out? Not saying OSU can fire him now, but when do fans quit excusing failures? Or, do we not complain until he is fired, then complain it was too late? Last year was the classic for the excuse crowd... Incredible 4th place finish, over achieve, BYE in Pac12, lose to a lower seed (actually get embarrassed)... And, wait for it, some actually came out and stated it was because we had the BYE and Colorado was warmed up!? First finishing 4th is the straw in WT's hat, then it's not his fault we stumble to 58 points to a Buff team who barely got by the 12 seed Cal. Well, because the 4th seed has to sit an extra day! And, to top it off no NIT bid... because say the "excusers" the Pac12 was so down. Yeah it was all because of the Pac12! No... OSU just had to win ONE game... cuz that damn Colorado team made it based on that win... |
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Post by spudbeaver on Mar 3, 2020 15:06:08 GMT -8
This team can not be defined by statistics apparently. Unless there's a stat for volatility like the VIX in the stock market. That might explain the oscillation between good play and sucking. I found a "consistency" rating. Oregon State ranks 298th in most consistent play. That is ninth in the Pac-12 ahead of the true Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hyde teams: USC, Utah, and Arizona. The ranking indicates that Oregon State plays as well as the 16th-323rd best basketball team on any given night. It should be noted that Duke ranks 349th in consistency, less consistent than any team in the Pac-12. I guess I only wish we were as good as Duke on their bad days! |
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Post by baseba1111 on Mar 3, 2020 15:14:15 GMT -8
This Team is just worse than last Years. Tres played better. We are playing like we did in last Years Tourny Pac 12. I just have no reason to think Mr Tinkle can remedy this mess. I also wonder who will Bail ? I'm sure there is a huge influx of talent waiting to transfer in seeming that anywhere between 41% of our scoring is gone (depending on ET it could be 62%). But, since players have taken such huge leaps in development it could be a current low %, single digit scorer is suddenly going to be a top tier Pac12 scorer? Or two? |
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Post by baseba1111 on Mar 3, 2020 15:14:49 GMT -8
I found a "consistency" rating. Oregon State ranks 298th in most consistent play. That is ninth in the Pac-12 ahead of the true Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hyde teams: USC, Utah, and Arizona. The ranking indicates that Oregon State plays as well as the 16th-323rd best basketball team on any given night. It should be noted that Duke ranks 349th in consistency, less consistent than any team in the Pac-12. I guess I only wish we were as good as Duke on their bad days! How about just a couple of Duke 2nd teamers? |
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Post by tnarg33 on Mar 3, 2020 15:22:16 GMT -8
You are going off half-cocked here, my friend. I didn't use Ken Pom's "consistency" rating, so you cannot accuse me of not reading up on a rating that I did not use. I mean, you can, but........... Your post is very cynical and bitter for some reason. I know that we disagree, but please take a breath. There's no cynic or bitterness... all consistency ratings are made up stats and vary in the composition very little. No matter which you used is grasping at air to try to provide some firm ground you seem to need when ignoring the key facts. So, do tell us, which "consistency rating" did you read up on? And, who and what is actually used for... besides betting lets say! I'm afraid the cynic seems to be you in several of the stances you take on this board. You either blurt out information you have no professional experience, foundation, or knowledge with digging up internet fodder. Typically to find obscure data to try to contradict highly accepted statistical standards. I can tell you this... find whatever "consistency" number you'd like... there's not to many posters that will agree on this or past WT teams being anything close to consistent! Unless of course inconsistently consistent counts? Facts have been shown by multiple posters that during this regime... recruiting has not been better, blow out 10+/20+ not better, W/L not significantly better, statistical growth/improvements have not been better, and without objective data it's safe to say overall player development throughout the roster has not been better. Banter away... My bills, laptop errands are done... so you can have the floor on a topic as... yeah Good luck Just a side note, if these roles were reversed and Baseba1111 threw out a stat, and Wilky refuted it, ol Baseba1111 would be the first one to say, "I didn't say which person's stat method I used". Tale as old as time. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Mar 3, 2020 15:29:22 GMT -8
There's no cynic or bitterness... all consistency ratings are made up stats and vary in the composition very little. No matter which you used is grasping at air to try to provide some firm ground you seem to need when ignoring the key facts. So, do tell us, which "consistency rating" did you read up on? And, who and what is actually used for... besides betting lets say! I'm afraid the cynic seems to be you in several of the stances you take on this board. You either blurt out information you have no professional experience, foundation, or knowledge with digging up internet fodder. Typically to find obscure data to try to contradict highly accepted statistical standards. I can tell you this... find whatever "consistency" number you'd like... there's not to many posters that will agree on this or past WT teams being anything close to consistent! Unless of course inconsistently consistent counts? Facts have been shown by multiple posters that during this regime... recruiting has not been better, blow out 10+/20+ not better, W/L not significantly better, statistical growth/improvements have not been better, and without objective data it's safe to say overall player development throughout the roster has not been better. Banter away... My bills, laptop errands are done... so you can have the floor on a topic as... yeah Good luck Just a side note, if these roles were reversed and Baseba1111 threw out a stat, and Wilky refuted it, ol Baseba1111 would be the first one to say, "I didn't say which person's stat method I used". Tale as old as time. Actually Grant the tale as old as your time on the board... using 70% of your posts to quote me and actually say nothing of relevance! |
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Post by tnarg33 on Mar 3, 2020 15:39:22 GMT -8
Just a side note, if these roles were reversed and Baseba1111 threw out a stat, and Wilky refuted it, ol Baseba1111 would be the first one to say, "I didn't say which person's stat method I used". Tale as old as time. ... using 70% of your posts to quote me and actually say nothing of relevance! It's not you it's every other person on the board. Got it. Since you've read all my posts you surely have read that when you are talking about Beaver sports and opinions on such I have often commended you. It's when you do your arrogant asshole argumentative BS that I quote your posts, hence the 70% number. |
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Post by TheGlove on Mar 3, 2020 15:52:28 GMT -8
A whole lot of wonky stat analysis in this thread. There's only one stat that means anything. Do you know what it is? 5-11 and 26 games under .500 in Pac12 play?  |
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 3, 2020 18:55:50 GMT -8
A whole lot of wonky stat analysis in this thread. There's only one stat that means anything. Do you know what it is? Bra size? |
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Post by TheGlove on Mar 3, 2020 20:45:46 GMT -8
A whole lot of wonky stat analysis in this thread. There's only one stat that means anything. Do you know what it is? Bra size? 32DD. Why do you ask? |
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