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Post by osubeaver2018 on Feb 20, 2020 8:12:05 GMT -8
I remember the TV announcers for the Utah game mentioned that he had hurt it during the Civil War game and that he had not practiced all week. Going from memory so take that for what it is worth. Yes, I remember the same thing. Only mention I've heard of anything, though I wasn't able to watch the Colorado game so not sure if mentioned at all during that broadcast. Still the first I've heard of it. I thought I saw him with a slight limp in one of the games at one point in the 2nd half but other than that I haven't seen any sign of injury for him this year. And seeing a guy with a slight limp at any point doesn't necessarily mean they're even hurt, could've just taken a knee to a thigh or some other minor thing that doesn't necessarily correlate to a longer term injury.
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Post by nabeav on Feb 20, 2020 9:58:51 GMT -8
Wayne mentioned the ankle thing at the end of the Utah game on the radio with Mike Parker. Said Tres was iffy to even play due to hurting it at the end of the CW. Baseba1111 is right though, doesn't explain his woes prior to that. As for forcing shots at the rim, his 3% plummeted from the beginning of the season, I believe Parker said during the game he was somewhere around 3 for his last 30 from deep, so taking it to the rim probably seems like a higher scoring opportunity for him lately.
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Post by Judge Smails on Feb 20, 2020 10:08:40 GMT -8
Wayne mentioned the ankle thing at the end of the Utah game on the radio with Mike Parker. Said Tres was iffy to even play due to hurting it at the end of the CW. Baseba1111 is right though, doesn't explain his woes prior to that. As for forcing shots at the rim, his 3% plummeted from the beginning of the season, I believe Parker said during the game he was somewhere around 3 for his last 30 from deep, so taking it to the rim probably seems like a higher scoring opportunity for him lately. But if his ankle is hurting, it should have less effect on his 3 point shot. It would be more of an issue when he's driving to the basket.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Feb 20, 2020 10:41:12 GMT -8
Wayne mentioned the ankle thing at the end of the Utah game on the radio with Mike Parker. Said Tres was iffy to even play due to hurting it at the end of the CW. Baseba1111 is right though, doesn't explain his woes prior to that. As for forcing shots at the rim, his 3% plummeted from the beginning of the season, I believe Parker said during the game he was somewhere around 3 for his last 30 from deep, so taking it to the rim probably seems like a higher scoring opportunity for him lately. But if his ankle is hurting, it should have less effect on his 3 point shot. It would be more of an issue when he's driving to the basket. Ankles tend to affect everything in my experience, I'd suspect it can affect a three point shot as well since the two hand set shot disappeared several decades back.
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Post by Judge Smails on Feb 20, 2020 10:42:46 GMT -8
But if his ankle is hurting, it should have less effect on his 3 point shot. It would be more of an issue when he's driving to the basket. Ankles tend to affect everything in my experience, I'd suspect it can affect a three point shot as well since the two hand set shot disappeared several decades back. Tres almost shoots a set shot from 3. He's never gotten a lot of lift on that shot.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Feb 20, 2020 10:55:40 GMT -8
Ankles tend to affect everything in my experience, I'd suspect it can affect a three point shot as well since the two hand set shot disappeared several decades back. Tres almost shoots a set shot from 3. He's never gotten a lot of lift on that shot. Take a look at this video (first one I came across, I suspect there's a lot more out there) . The end of it shows a three pointer clearly and he's easily 12-14 inches off the ground. It doesn't take a lot of lift to feel it in an ankle and if anything is off from your "normal" shot your shot can be thrown off to a certain extent. I noticed Tres had a momentary limp several games back, can't remember the game though but it wasn't in the last 2-3 weeks because I've only caught minutes of those games and I'm pretty sure it was longer ago than that. Whether this is the reason for his lower percentages I don't know, but anything going on with an ankle can affect the rest of your movements.
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 20, 2020 11:02:10 GMT -8
Tres almost shoots a set shot from 3. He's never gotten a lot of lift on that shot. Take a look at this video (first one I came across, I suspect there's a lot more out there) . The end of it shows a three pointer clearly and he's easily 12-14 inches off the ground. It doesn't take a lot of lift to feel it in an ankle and if anything is off from your "normal" shot your shot can be thrown off to a certain extent. I noticed Tres had a momentary limp several games back, can't remember the game though but it wasn't in the last 2-3 weeks because I've only caught minutes of those games and I'm pretty sure it was longer ago than that. Whether this is the reason for his lower percentages I don't know, but anything going on with an ankle can affect the rest of your movements. I get your point... but he's not much more than half that. Most jump shooter are 4-7 inches on their lift. But, it doesn't matter. As of now his Sr season in Pac12 play is been a downer and no one else has truly picked up the slack... especially KK
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Feb 20, 2020 11:31:57 GMT -8
Take a look at this video (first one I came across, I suspect there's a lot more out there) . The end of it shows a three pointer clearly and he's easily 12-14 inches off the ground. It doesn't take a lot of lift to feel it in an ankle and if anything is off from your "normal" shot your shot can be thrown off to a certain extent. I noticed Tres had a momentary limp several games back, can't remember the game though but it wasn't in the last 2-3 weeks because I've only caught minutes of those games and I'm pretty sure it was longer ago than that. Whether this is the reason for his lower percentages I don't know, but anything going on with an ankle can affect the rest of your movements. I get your point... but he's not much more than half that. Most jump shooter are 4-7 inches on their lift. But, it doesn't matter. As of now his Sr season in Pac12 play is been a downer and no one else has truly picked up the slack... especially KK I guess it's how you define lift. Maybe 4 to 7 inches off the toes, but those are pointed downward, heels, ankles and the rest of the body are further up. These days I wish my current vertical jump was anywhere near what these kids are doing on their basic jump shots. I'm lucky if I could clear 3 inches unless I bent my legs a lot.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 20, 2020 15:14:11 GMT -8
Take a look at this video (first one I came across, I suspect there's a lot more out there) . The end of it shows a three pointer clearly and he's easily 12-14 inches off the ground. It doesn't take a lot of lift to feel it in an ankle and if anything is off from your "normal" shot your shot can be thrown off to a certain extent. I noticed Tres had a momentary limp several games back, can't remember the game though but it wasn't in the last 2-3 weeks because I've only caught minutes of those games and I'm pretty sure it was longer ago than that. Whether this is the reason for his lower percentages I don't know, but anything going on with an ankle can affect the rest of your movements. I get your point... but he's not much more than half that. Most jump shooter are 4-7 inches on their lift. But, it doesn't matter. As of now his Sr season in Pac12 play is been a downer and no one else has truly picked up the slack... especially KK Yeah KK. Most blocks ever in Oregon State history and has done that in less than two full seasons. He is averaging more than a block more per game than second place Eric Moreland. This season ranks second ever in most blocks behind only Kylor Kelly last season. And he is averaging more than a sixth of a block more per game than the previous record, held by Kylor Kelly last season. Kelly holds the all-time Oregon State record for most blocks by a junior and already owns the all-time Oregon State record for most blocks by a senior. A player has had more than six blocks only seven times in Oregon State history. Five of those times involve Kelly, including the all-time record of nine last year. He had a streak of 31 consecutive games with a block, an Oregon State record. I mean, he will probably go down as the best defensive center in Oregon State history. Your knock is that he has not picked up the slack? I am 99% sure that there is slack somewhere else.
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Post by alwaysorange on Feb 20, 2020 15:51:04 GMT -8
I get your point... but he's not much more than half that. Most jump shooter are 4-7 inches on their lift. But, it doesn't matter. As of now his Sr season in Pac12 play is been a downer and no one else has truly picked up the slack... especially KK Yeah KK. Most blocks ever in Oregon State history and has done that in less than two full seasons. He is averaging more than a block more per game than second place Eric Moreland. This season ranks second ever in most blocks behind only Kylor Kelly last season. And he is averaging more than a sixth of a block more per game than the previous record, held by Kylor Kelly last season. Kelly holds the all-time Oregon State record for most blocks by a junior and already owns the all-time Oregon State record for most blocks by a senior. A player has had more than six blocks only seven times in Oregon State history. Five of those times involve Kelly, including the all-time record of nine last year. He had a streak of 31 consecutive games with a block, an Oregon State record. I mean, he will probably go down as the best defensive center in Oregon State history. Your knock is that he has not picked up the slack? I am 99% sure that there is slack somewhere else.
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Post by alwaysorange on Feb 20, 2020 15:54:30 GMT -8
The best defensive center in osu history? The one problem with that statement is that he DOES NOT play defense. Sure he swats alot of balls but more times than not it puts him out of defensive and rebounding position. He also often gets muscled under the hoop.
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 20, 2020 17:17:22 GMT -8
I get your point... but he's not much more than half that. Most jump shooter are 4-7 inches on their lift. But, it doesn't matter. As of now his Sr season in Pac12 play is been a downer and no one else has truly picked up the slack... especially KK Yeah KK. Most blocks ever in Oregon State history and has done that in less than two full seasons. He is averaging more than a block more per game than second place Eric Moreland. This season ranks second ever in most blocks behind only Kylor Kelly last season. And he is averaging more than a sixth of a block more per game than the previous record, held by Kylor Kelly last season. Kelly holds the all-time Oregon State record for most blocks by a junior and already owns the all-time Oregon State record for most blocks by a senior. A player has had more than six blocks only seven times in Oregon State history. Five of those times involve Kelly, including the all-time record of nine last year. He had a streak of 31 consecutive games with a block, an Oregon State record. I mean, he will probably go down as the best defensive center in Oregon State history. Your knock is that he has not picked up the slack? I am 99% sure that there is slack somewhere else. Experts far more qualified than you and I agree with me. He should be producing far more on the offensive end and rebounding. He's flat out soft, and a boy among men many nights. I'll take points and rebounds over the block shot king every day and twice on Pac12 game days. Another dumb ass Mtn to plant your pole. First Simonton is basically a run of the mill RB on a great team... and now KK as the best defensive center?! Really?
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Post by obf on Feb 25, 2020 13:41:38 GMT -8
100% co-sign that Tres' senior pac-12 campaign has been a total let down. Shooting slump, ankle/foot/shin/toe/leg hair injury, flop-itus, fear of contact, the reason doesn't really matter. The truth is that as Tres goes, so the beavs go, as per his Dad's design, so it is no wonder that we have lost a heap of close heart breakers, lost to teams we should trounce, etc. If your best player is going to slump for the ENTIRE conference season, then you are just screwed I guess (let's not bring up any of the other options, please ) As far as KK and the Block Party goes. Yeah it is a cool stat, and I enjoy a good demoralizing spike block as much as the next guy, but it should be pointed out that blocks are often a Pyrrhic victory. Think about the two out comes of a drive to the basket by the opposing offense, one where your center does NOT try to fly over and block the shot, but stays home with his man, not leaving him for the easy dump off dunk, and blocks his man out increasing the chance of a defensive rebound, vs. flying over for the chance of a block (for KK this happens fairly frequently), but even the good result, a block, often leads to the opposing offense either getting a fresh look at the possession (block out of bounds), or worse an easy carom with a path to the rim that is now vacated, and a defense that is hollering or celebrating. I am sure there are some great shot blockers that can also excel at not surrendering off ball dunks or offensive rebounds, or do a better job at directing the blocked shot to a teammate or himself, but KK blocks seem to more often than not actually benefit the opposing offense. That could just be the orange colored glasses talking though (Those glasses bias us negatively as well as positively when things are going poorly!)
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Post by beaversproud on Feb 26, 2020 17:25:49 GMT -8
Take a look at this video (first one I came across, I suspect there's a lot more out there) . The end of it shows a three pointer clearly and he's easily 12-14 inches off the ground. It doesn't take a lot of lift to feel it in an ankle and if anything is off from your "normal" shot your shot can be thrown off to a certain extent. I noticed Tres had a momentary limp several games back, can't remember the game though but it wasn't in the last 2-3 weeks because I've only caught minutes of those games and I'm pretty sure it was longer ago than that. Whether this is the reason for his lower percentages I don't know, but anything going on with an ankle can affect the rest of your movements. I get your point... but he's not much more than half that. Most jump shooter are 4-7 inches on their lift. But, it doesn't matter. As of now his Sr season in Pac12 play is been a downer and no one else has truly picked up the slack... especially KK Didn't he have a "bad ankle" all last year and it was one of his best years?
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 27, 2020 16:46:15 GMT -8
Yeah KK. Most blocks ever in Oregon State history and has done that in less than two full seasons. He is averaging more than a block more per game than second place Eric Moreland. This season ranks second ever in most blocks behind only Kylor Kelly last season. And he is averaging more than a sixth of a block more per game than the previous record, held by Kylor Kelly last season. Kelly holds the all-time Oregon State record for most blocks by a junior and already owns the all-time Oregon State record for most blocks by a senior. A player has had more than six blocks only seven times in Oregon State history. Five of those times involve Kelly, including the all-time record of nine last year. He had a streak of 31 consecutive games with a block, an Oregon State record. I mean, he will probably go down as the best defensive center in Oregon State history. Your knock is that he has not picked up the slack? I am 99% sure that there is slack somewhere else. Experts far more qualified than you and I agree with me. He should be producing far more on the offensive end and rebounding. He's flat out soft, and a boy among men many nights. I'll take points and rebounds over the block shot king every day and twice on Pac12 game days. Another dumb ass Mtn to plant your pole. First Simonton is basically a run of the mill RB on a great team... and now KK as the best defensive center?! Really? Summing up your post: Wilky: KK is the best defensive center. Baseba11: Nuh-uh.
I have made an assertion, you have indicated that you disagree, but you have not indicated who would be the best defensive center. You are attempting to dispute my statement by fiat. Or to put it another way, you are attempting to combat my post with absolutely zero contrary evidence. Effectively, you have conceded my point.
In conference games, Kylor Kelley has clearly been Oregon State's MVP.
Kylor Kelley is third in the Pac-12 in defensive plus/minus.
Kelley is clearly the best defensive center in more than a decade. Heck, Kelley is the best defender at Oregon State in more than a decade, a hair better than GP2. The pair are head and shoulders ahead of everyone else. Kelley Statistically, the number of blocks that he has compiled alone should put him into the discussion of best defensive centers. Whether he is, in fact, Oregon State's best defensive center is debatable and is something that I was intending to intelligently discuss.
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