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Post by sparty on Feb 18, 2020 19:05:21 GMT -8
I suppose this rule change would be great for some schools and and really hurt others.
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Feb 18, 2020 19:33:16 GMT -8
It will be a rich get richer situation.
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Post by sparty on Feb 18, 2020 19:51:11 GMT -8
It will be a rich get richer situation. Tend to agree. You find that hidden gem and put in all the effort and then someone else comes along after the first year and builds a team from those transfers.
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Post by osu82 on Feb 18, 2020 20:06:51 GMT -8
It will be a rich get richer situation. Tend to agree. You find that hidden gem and put in all the effort and then someone else comes along after the first year and builds a team from those transfers.
This is also my first reaction. Could they transfer and play on another team that same season or would they have to wait until the following year? |
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Post by bvrbooster on Feb 18, 2020 20:31:21 GMT -8
Let's take a minute, if we could, and segue back to the California law and my concern that players will go where they get paid the most. Someone goes to a small market school and makes a name for himself as a freshman - think Kevin Abel 2 years ago at the College World Series. If someone like that can transfer to a big market (say, UCLA), make some nice bucks, and play right away, it adds exponentially to his motivation to do so. He has effectively become an unrestricted free agent.
Not saying that Abel would have done that, but lots of players in the money sports certainly would. As Sparty said, the rich will get richer. The big money schools will poach talent from the mid-majors and small market schools like they're the minor leagues, and the kids are being called up to the big leagues.
This would be a stupid move on the NCAA's part. Therefore, I expect them to do it within the next 2 years.
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Feb 18, 2020 20:37:53 GMT -8
Let's take a minute, if we could, and segue back to the California law and my concern that players will go where they get paid the most. Someone goes to a small market school and makes a name for himself as a freshman - think Kevin Abel 2 years ago at the College World Series. If someone like that can transfer to a big market (say, UCLA), make some nice bucks, and play right away, it adds exponentially to his motivation to do so. He has effectively become an unrestricted free agent. Not saying that Abel would have done that, but lots of players in the money sports certainly would. As Sparty said, the rich will get richer. The big money schools will poach talent from the mid-majors and small market schools like they're the minor leagues, and the kids are being called up to the big leagues. This would be a stupid move on the NCAA's part. Therefore, I expect them to do it within the next 2 years. It was actually my quote and this will effectively end any pretence of college sports being amateur. |
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Post by bvrbooster on Feb 18, 2020 22:42:23 GMT -8
Apologies, it was your quote, and you are right. The NCAA is fast tracking itself to irrelevance.
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Post by srfan1 on Feb 18, 2020 22:56:30 GMT -8
1. The NCAA is irrelevant
2. College sports stopped being amateur once they found the advertising $$$$$'s. They just called it that to suppress the athletes.
3. Coaches can move and get paid with no barrier to trade - yet it's immoral, incomprehensible and outright wrong for an athlete
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Post by alwaysorange on Feb 19, 2020 6:38:52 GMT -8
So basically many schools will be farm teams for a few schools. A school loses its top running back to injury in fall camp. The school gets on the phone and calls running back from x school. Hey we got an opening come on over.
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Post by nwhoopfan on Feb 19, 2020 8:38:20 GMT -8
So basically many schools will be farm teams for a few schools. A school loses its top running back to injury in fall camp. The school gets on the phone and calls running back from x school. Hey we got an opening come on over. I would hope they at least set up some time frames on when athletes can immediately jump ship or not. Can you imagine mid season transfers and playing parts of a year for 2 different teams? |
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Post by bvrbooster on Feb 19, 2020 10:53:42 GMT -8
So basically many schools will be farm teams for a few schools. A school loses its top running back to injury in fall camp. The school gets on the phone and calls running back from x school. Hey we got an opening come on over. I would hope they at least set up some time frames on when athletes can immediately jump ship or not. Can you imagine mid season transfers and playing parts of a year for 2 different teams? I can't imagine that, but perhaps the NCAA can. We shall see. And perhaps I should have said that the NCAA is fast tracking itself to becoming even more irrelevant than it already is. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 19, 2020 11:56:30 GMT -8
So basically many schools will be farm teams for a few schools. A school loses its top running back to injury in fall camp. The school gets on the phone and calls running back from x school. Hey we got an opening come on over. I would hope they at least set up some time frames on when athletes can immediately jump ship or not. Can you imagine mid season transfers and playing parts of a year for 2 different teams? Oh there will be a plethora of rules, procedures, and processes... but, the NCAA can't police what they have now so it'll be a field day on attracting talented kids in other programs. Hell, probably see a new non-coaching position similar to Director of Ops who's sole purpose it is to track and connect with athletes on social media. I do not think the "pay" issue is going to be as big of thing as some think. Players know there is only so much PT and pay in many cases will be set up based on stars who make money for the school... big ticket types that sell lots of tickets. But, being able to move freely (I believe it does limit players to ONE transfer) is going to cause problems. To a post above... coaches get to move so players get to... REALLY? So, your the guy/girl who sat in class saying students should have the same rules as teachers? Etc etc etc. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Feb 19, 2020 12:51:27 GMT -8
Let's take a minute, if we could, and segue back to the California law and my concern that players will go where they get paid the most. Someone goes to a small market school and makes a name for himself as a freshman - think Kevin Abel 2 years ago at the College World Series. If someone like that can transfer to a big market (say, UCLA), make some nice bucks, and play right away, it adds exponentially to his motivation to do so. He has effectively become an unrestricted free agent. Not saying that Abel would have done that, but lots of players in the money sports certainly would. As Sparty said, the rich will get richer. The big money schools will poach talent from the mid-majors and small market schools like they're the minor leagues, and the kids are being called up to the big leagues. This would be a stupid move on the NCAA's part. Therefore, I expect them to do it within the next 2 years. It was actually my quote and this will effectively end any pretence of college sports being amateur. Pretense. |
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Post by mbabeav on Feb 19, 2020 12:55:41 GMT -8
A "big money" face is one that is usually a potential 1st rounder - they get all the national attention. Everyone else is going to be a regional draw, and even in the big city, only a few on a team of anything are going to be able to turn that gig into something that pulls bank. The few get richer, the rest get their hopes up.
Immediate eligibility is a two edge sword. Perhaps for the next season rather than having to sit one out, but it's really hard to integrate someone into a team mid-season. Pro teams are used to it, but college coaches and their players, not so much.
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Post by wetrodentia on Feb 19, 2020 13:25:22 GMT -8
I would hope they at least set up some time frames on when athletes can immediately jump ship or not. Can you imagine mid season transfers and playing parts of a year for 2 different teams? Oh there will be a plethora of rules, procedures, and processes... but, the NCAA can't police what they have now so it'll be a field day on attracting talented kids in other programs. Hell, probably see a new non-coaching position similar to Director of Ops who's sole purpose it is to track and connect with athletes on social media. I do not think the "pay" issue is going to be as big of thing as some think. Players know there is only so much PT and pay in many cases will be set up based on stars who make money for the school... big ticket types that sell lots of tickets. But, being able to move freely (I believe it does limit players to ONE transfer) is going to cause problems. To a post above... coaches get to move so players get to... REALLY? So, your the guy/girl who sat in class saying students should have the same rules as teachers? Etc etc etc. I think the "pay" issue is a very big deal. For example, what's stopping nike from telling an entire football team they're all gonna get paid for modeling nike uniforms and gear? How about $20k for freshman, $40k for Sophs, $60k for juniors and $100k for seniors? Four or five million per year is doable for them - at least for their favorite team(s). "Hey kid, how much you getting paid to wear Adidas?"
Or a big city car dealer/booster giving maybe ten of the players a free lease on a BMW to drive around as part of their "endorsement"? It's just opens the floodgates. Then a lot of the big boosters might tell the AD "Sorry I'm not chipping in directly this year to the program or buying the sponsorship but I'm helping you recruit by paying your players. BTW, who's on your shopping list? You want me to go make an offer to that Jefferson kid at Oregon State? I heard he's getting some free food at Local Boyz. We can do way better than that". Am I missing something? I hope I'm not describing how this, in reality, could all go down.
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