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Post by alwaysorange on Jan 24, 2020 10:03:02 GMT -8
Is a frat having a party this week? It's the only dance these beavs are going to.
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Post by ochobeavo on Jan 24, 2020 10:05:27 GMT -8
I find this amazing... Wayne Tinkle was kicking himself afterward, saying he wanted to throw a zone at UCLA to keep Smith in check, but was talked out of it by his coaching staff.
Regardless, Tinkle said “we’ve got to find a way to defend the way we need to defend no matter what we’re in. … for whatever reason we’ve gotten into a little bit of a funk and we’re going to get out. I know we’re going to get out.” Tinkle noted another area of discouragement was rebounding. Tinkle and Ethan Thompson, as is often is the case, led the Beavers on the boards. The Beavers’ two posts, Kylor Kelley and Roman Silva, played a combined 40 minutes and grabbed a collective four rebounds. www.oregonlive.com/beavers/2020/01/another-incomplete-game-another-loss-as-oregon-state-falls-to-ucla-62-58.html
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 24, 2020 10:24:05 GMT -8
I know... 9 straight tourneys... storied hoops program with huge hoops donors... only $300k is base salary, $2 mil is a one time hiring bonus if still at UCLA thru March 2020, $3.2 mil is a "talent fee" paid outside AD budget. Cronin's success DWARFS WT's. Who said anything about "blame" about hiring? I'm not the one who keeps pimping. OK, quit doing the fire WT game and tell us, give a name, of your dream hire, otherwise it's just more self indulgent noise!!! I want a name dammit!! And how do we pay for it, him, her, them?? LOL... did you see me say "fire WT"? Anywhere in my posts? There is a lot more that goes into just firing a guy... to both the program and the school. Hence, STFU about supposed firing posts as they have not been from me. I have made my OPINION on WT's coaching, then recruiting acumen from very early on... opinion. I also attempt to present factual basis for those who consistently make excuses for a guy that is now 23 (? I've lost track) games under .500 in conference play. So, as you seem to be smart enough to comprehend basic concepts: - I'm not on a firing or hiring committee at OSU so IF I had a candidate it would not matter; - Unlike baseball or football I have no real connections to other basketball programs and whether a coach would be interested in OSU; - I've never stated that I know of a specific candidate that would come to OSU if the job was open; - Names would come from the appropriate sources inside OSU WHEN the job is actually open; - OSU is a P5 hoops job at a well respected school, so it is fairly common sense there would be SEVERAL coaches interested in the job when open; - OSU pays WT the 39th highest salary for D1 MBB coaches; - Scan the coaching salary list from #40 on down, there are lots of highly successful coaches making much less. Paying for someone is not an issue; - As pointed out by Prof OSU/the AD is not in a severely adverse situation in terms of debt service; So... speaking of "more self indulgent noise", reread your post, after carefully rereading (or maybe you don't read in the first place?!) other posts. Other than the above post, are you a supporter? detractor? Or just like to BS about posts sharing opinions on the topic? And why only my posts on the topic and not numerous others that share a similar feeling?
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 24, 2020 10:26:05 GMT -8
I find this amazing... Wayne Tinkle was kicking himself afterward, saying he wanted to throw a zone at UCLA to keep Smith in check, but was talked out of it by his coaching staff.
Regardless, Tinkle said “we’ve got to find a way to defend the way we need to defend no matter what we’re in. … for whatever reason we’ve gotten into a little bit of a funk and we’re going to get out. I know we’re going to get out.” Tinkle noted another area of discouragement was rebounding. Tinkle and Ethan Thompson, as is often is the case, led the Beavers on the boards. The Beavers’ two posts, Kylor Kelley and Roman Silva, played a combined 40 minutes and grabbed a collective four rebounds. www.oregonlive.com/beavers/2020/01/another-incomplete-game-another-loss-as-oregon-state-falls-to-ucla-62-58.htmlCouldn't stand to sit afterward and listen to the postgame on the big screen. But, it is a new approach... typically it's tossing the players under the bus! So, now it is the assistants?? Hmmmm... set up for changing of the guard in that area?
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 24, 2020 10:28:35 GMT -8
WT never recruited anybody to replace Stevie. A good team always has at least three scorers. We got two. UCLA really had just one and he fouled out. Too bad for OSU it was a minute too late. Of course... If the damn assistants hadn't been in charge and talked the HC out of going zone it'd been different?! PS- or if the officials had called all those offensive linemen running over OSU's solid screens! Brother... even the video of the game had the announcers stating what poor screens/timing using screens had on OSU's offense.
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Post by spudbeaver on Jan 24, 2020 10:34:40 GMT -8
WT never recruited anybody to replace Stevie. A good team always has at least three scorers. We got two. ...and next year we'll have? Trying to be an optimist and look forward!
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Post by ochobeavo on Jan 24, 2020 10:36:10 GMT -8
I find this amazing... Wayne Tinkle was kicking himself afterward, saying he wanted to throw a zone at UCLA to keep Smith in check, but was talked out of it by his coaching staff.
Regardless, Tinkle said “we’ve got to find a way to defend the way we need to defend no matter what we’re in. … for whatever reason we’ve gotten into a little bit of a funk and we’re going to get out. I know we’re going to get out.” Tinkle noted another area of discouragement was rebounding. Tinkle and Ethan Thompson, as is often is the case, led the Beavers on the boards. The Beavers’ two posts, Kylor Kelley and Roman Silva, played a combined 40 minutes and grabbed a collective four rebounds. www.oregonlive.com/beavers/2020/01/another-incomplete-game-another-loss-as-oregon-state-falls-to-ucla-62-58.htmlCouldn't stand to sit afterward and listen to the postgame on the big screen. But, it is a new approach... typically it's tossing the players under the bus! So, now it is the assistants?? Hmmmm... set up for changing of the guard in that area? Things would have gone better if it wasn't for the players, assistant coaches and refs. I like it. Just go scorched earth the rest of the way - call out AD, band, fans, start times, Benny needs to step up the mascot game, George Costanza for changing our uniforms from polyester to cotton.
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Post by spudbeaver on Jan 24, 2020 10:37:05 GMT -8
Damon stoudamire. We can't keep driving the WT model. The tires are flat and its run out of gas. My thumbs up wasn't really any endorsement of Stoudamire, but I love the analogy after!
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Post by beaverinohio on Jan 24, 2020 11:50:16 GMT -8
I find this amazing... Wayne Tinkle was kicking himself afterward, saying he wanted to throw a zone at UCLA to keep Smith in check, but was talked out of it by his coaching staff.
Regardless, Tinkle said “we’ve got to find a way to defend the way we need to defend no matter what we’re in. … for whatever reason we’ve gotten into a little bit of a funk and we’re going to get out. I know we’re going to get out.” Tinkle noted another area of discouragement was rebounding. Tinkle and Ethan Thompson, as is often is the case, led the Beavers on the boards. The Beavers’ two posts, Kylor Kelley and Roman Silva, played a combined 40 minutes and grabbed a collective four rebounds. www.oregonlive.com/beavers/2020/01/another-incomplete-game-another-loss-as-oregon-state-falls-to-ucla-62-58.htmlCouldn't stand to sit afterward and listen to the postgame on the big screen. But, it is a new approach... typically it's tossing the players under the bus! So, now it is the assistants?? Hmmmm... set up for changing of the guard in that area? That was my thought about the assistants when I read that. Why would someone say that? Is it supposed to make him look better? He's the HC and has the final say. If he wanted to say he considered it, all he had to say was "we discussed it, and decided against it." That really took WT down a notch in my book.
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 24, 2020 11:52:02 GMT -8
Couldn't stand to sit afterward and listen to the postgame on the big screen. But, it is a new approach... typically it's tossing the players under the bus! So, now it is the assistants?? Hmmmm... set up for changing of the guard in that area? That was my thought about the assistants when I read that. Why would someone say that? Is it supposed to make him look better? He's the HC and has the final say. If he wanted to say he considered it, all he had to say was "we discussed it, and decided against it." That really took WT down a notch in my book. The worst... and he's not even close to the same human in my opinion, but a lot like what a former football coach would/did say!
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Post by blastingsand on Jan 24, 2020 11:54:52 GMT -8
I think people will find a way to defend him no matter what. It's like a political game, no matter how much evidence there is, the one in authority always has a loyal following.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jan 24, 2020 12:33:36 GMT -8
OK, quit doing the fire WT game and tell us, give a name, of your dream hire, otherwise it's just more self indulgent noise!!! I want a name dammit!! And how do we pay for it, him, her, them?? LOL... did you see me say "fire WT"? Anywhere in my posts? There is a lot more that goes into just firing a guy... to both the program and the school. Hence, STFU about supposed firing posts as they have not been from me. I have made my OPINION on WT's coaching, then recruiting acumen from very early on... opinion. I also attempt to present factual basis for those who consistently make excuses for a guy that is now 23 (? I've lost track) games under .500 in conference play. So, as you seem to be smart enough to comprehend basic concepts: - I'm not on a firing or hiring committee at OSU so IF I had a candidate it would not matter; - Unlike baseball or football I have no real connections to other basketball programs and whether a coach would be interested in OSU; - I've never stated that I know of a specific candidate that would come to OSU if the job was open; - Names would come from the appropriate sources inside OSU WHEN the job is actually open; - OSU is a P5 hoops job at a well respected school, so it is fairly common sense there would be SEVERAL coaches interested in the job when open; - OSU pays WT the 39th highest salary for D1 MBB coaches; - Scan the coaching salary list from #40 on down, there are lots of highly successful coaches making much less. Paying for someone is not an issue; - As pointed out by Prof OSU/the AD is not in a severely adverse situation in terms of debt service; So... speaking of "more self indulgent noise", reread your post, after carefully rereading (or maybe you don't read in the first place?!) other posts. Other than the above post, are you a supporter? detractor? Or just like to BS about posts sharing opinions on the topic? And why only my posts on the topic and not numerous others that share a similar feeling? One little comment, 16 of those losses were from one season which really appears to be a complete aberration from the rest of the seasons he's been here. The remaining 4 seasons he's been here add up to a total of -4, not where any of us want to be but a world better than during the previous 24 years. This season has yet to play out. I generally view you as being very knowledgeable and fair, but you are using the same argument as many of the anti-Riley crowd that for years were able to say he couldn't win in the Pac 10-12 because he had a bunch of losses in his first 2 years stint here. Unless they have a near perfect season or two, it's gonna take a long time of good play to offset that one season. I don't think you expect a perfect season, but you're giving yourself a lot of wiggle room to use that criticism even if the team goes 12 and 6 in league (which should be in the top 2-3 in the league most seasons) the next several years. That said, this was another game that probably should have been a win. When those continue to add up I can understand getting restless.
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Post by beaverstever on Jan 24, 2020 12:52:37 GMT -8
Couldn't stand to sit afterward and listen to the postgame on the big screen. But, it is a new approach... typically it's tossing the players under the bus! So, now it is the assistants?? Hmmmm... set up for changing of the guard in that area? That was my thought about the assistants when I read that. Why would someone say that? Is it supposed to make him look better? He's the HC and has the final say. If he wanted to say he considered it, all he had to say was "we discussed it, and decided against it." That really took WT down a notch in my book. Straight out of the GaG playbook, it seems. I've always hated watching coaches call a timeout and have one of the assistants (and sometimes none) actually talk to the players while the coaches all huddle for most of the timeout - discussing what pizza to order I guess. The NBA is all about that garbage, and I see way to much of it in college. So I guess JHS and HS coaches that can handle managing a game end-to-end by themselves much be incredibly talented! IMO, if you can't play the chess match by confidently by yourself, you aren't cut out to be a coach.
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 24, 2020 13:07:36 GMT -8
LOL... did you see me say "fire WT"? Anywhere in my posts? There is a lot more that goes into just firing a guy... to both the program and the school. Hence, STFU about supposed firing posts as they have not been from me. I have made my OPINION on WT's coaching, then recruiting acumen from very early on... opinion. I also attempt to present factual basis for those who consistently make excuses for a guy that is now 23 (? I've lost track) games under .500 in conference play. So, as you seem to be smart enough to comprehend basic concepts: - I'm not on a firing or hiring committee at OSU so IF I had a candidate it would not matter; - Unlike baseball or football I have no real connections to other basketball programs and whether a coach would be interested in OSU; - I've never stated that I know of a specific candidate that would come to OSU if the job was open; - Names would come from the appropriate sources inside OSU WHEN the job is actually open; - OSU is a P5 hoops job at a well respected school, so it is fairly common sense there would be SEVERAL coaches interested in the job when open; - OSU pays WT the 39th highest salary for D1 MBB coaches; - Scan the coaching salary list from #40 on down, there are lots of highly successful coaches making much less. Paying for someone is not an issue; - As pointed out by Prof OSU/the AD is not in a severely adverse situation in terms of debt service; So... speaking of "more self indulgent noise", reread your post, after carefully rereading (or maybe you don't read in the first place?!) other posts. Other than the above post, are you a supporter? detractor? Or just like to BS about posts sharing opinions on the topic? And why only my posts on the topic and not numerous others that share a similar feeling? One little comment, 16 of those losses were from one season which really appears to be a complete aberration from the rest of the seasons he's been here. The remaining 4 seasons he's been here add up to a total of -4, not where any of us want to be but a world better than during the previous 24 years. This season has yet to play out. I generally view you as being very knowledgeable and fair, but you are using the same argument as many of the anti-Riley crowd that for years were able to say he couldn't win in the Pac 10-12 because he had a bunch of losses in his first 2 years stint here. Unless they have a near perfect season or two, it's gonna take a long time of good play to offset that one season. I don't think you expect a perfect season, but you're giving yourself a lot of wiggle room to use that criticism even if the team goes 12 and 6 in league (which should be in the top 2-3 in the league most seasons) the next several years. That said, this was another game that probably should have been a win. When those continue to add up I can understand getting restless. Never compare the anti MR crowd with the anti WT patrons... you lose all credibility.
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Post by beaverinohio on Jan 24, 2020 13:35:11 GMT -8
One little comment, 16 of those losses were from one season which really appears to be a complete aberration from the rest of the seasons he's been here. The remaining 4 seasons he's been here add up to a total of -4, not where any of us want to be but a world better than during the previous 24 years. This season has yet to play out. I generally view you as being very knowledgeable and fair, but you are using the same argument as many of the anti-Riley crowd that for years were able to say he couldn't win in the Pac 10-12 because he had a bunch of losses in his first 2 years stint here. Unless they have a near perfect season or two, it's gonna take a long time of good play to offset that one season. I don't think you expect a perfect season, but you're giving yourself a lot of wiggle room to use that criticism even if the team goes 12 and 6 in league (which should be in the top 2-3 in the league most seasons) the next several years. That said, this was another game that probably should have been a win. When those continue to add up I can understand getting restless. The most important abberation of Tinkle's tenure is the one year he made an NCAA appearance out of his six years at the helm. Unfortunately, that is starting to look very true. Beavs have a lot of work to do to have a hope at NIT. If I had any confidence at all in them protecting home court, I could see a way to 8-3 the rest of the way (win all home games and beat Cal and ASU on road), but very little reason to think they can go undefeated at home rest of the way. Just as likely a scenario is them going 3-8 rest of the way. Probably fall somewhere in the middle, and that won't get them to NIT.
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