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Post by seastape on Jan 22, 2020 2:47:02 GMT -8
I apologize as well. We each have people that we talk to who are closer to the program. It sounds like you are speaking from the booster side of which I do not have many sources, and my sources fall to about zero outside of football. From my sources inside the Athletic Department, I can say that there were several reasons why Robinson was fired. The information that the Athletic Department was receiving from players and recruits was generally negative. And the other thing that is not talked enough about is that Robinson failed to put behinds in seats. He averaged about 3,500/game his final year. Robinson was a heck of a recruiter. It seemed like he could get talent to Corvallis. It was just that he could never do anything meaningful with that talent, and it seemed like the fans gave up on the team. A fan revolt like that really has not happened under Tinkle. There are rumblings, to be sure, but nothing as widespread as under Robinson. To many, CR overplayed his "politics"... he was/became too glitzy/glam for Corvallis. Some boosters liked the association with "big time", but he was never a fit for OSU. Actually never thought he'd stay that long. I think he could have stayed here as long as he wanted if he was as good of a coach as he was a recruiter. if that was the case, though, he would have gone onto bigger things than OSU.
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Post by beaversproud on Jan 24, 2020 13:31:56 GMT -8
Correct question is 'who is going to FIRE Wayne Tinkle?' No one... OSU doesn't have the money
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Post by zeroposter on Jan 24, 2020 14:07:56 GMT -8
Correct question is 'who is going to FIRE Wayne Tinkle?' No one... OSU doesn't have the money Probably the truest statement. On a separate note, I never saw or heard CR make any political statement or action that would offend any Beaver fan. There were tons of pictures of him with the Obama family, but that sure didn't offend this conservative. The change from the Princeton style to the semi-Princeton style to the modern style didn't work. As far as the current situation goes and as many have stated, the empty tank for the future is the totally discouraging aspect.
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Post by ee1990 on Jan 24, 2020 16:44:24 GMT -8
Was it deCarolis or was it the AD after him? Cuz i remember who ever hired tinkle it was real Quick after we let Coach Robinson go. TOO Quick.. Hired Tinkle in like what? A month or Two after Robinson left? Shoulda spent atleast 3-5 months thoroughly searching for a quality P5 tier marchmadness contending coach. Not some nobody from montana.. Spending 3-5 months to hire a coach would be utter lunacy.
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Post by ee1990 on Jan 24, 2020 16:46:01 GMT -8
OSU had a great stretch in the 80's but outside of that really hasn't had great near term historical success. In the 24 seasons prior to Tinkle's hire OSU went to the NIT once, Mississippi State went to the NCAAs 9 times and NIT 6 times. Pretty much all of both coaches' recruits were too young to remember OSU being nothing but a crappy basketball school. I'd say Howland had a huge advantage at Mississippi State on that front. Posters bring up our great history or pedigree. That's great for us old people, but as far as recruiting teenagers goes it likely does nothing. In their lives OSU was not a basketball school that would be a great place to be a star at. This is simply not true. Gill had a 0.604 winning percentage over 36 seasons prior to the 1980s and a final four appearance. Miller won 66% of his games in the 1970s and 80s.
Howland did have a huge advantage as you say - he's a better coach and recruiter than Tinkle. OSU has hired six MBB coaches that have not been successful since the retirement of Ralph Miller. Five have been fired to date. Yet not one AD has been fired for making poor choices.
Gill is "great near term success"?
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jan 24, 2020 17:11:35 GMT -8
Sorry Prof, but Dutch Baughman was fired. So was Lynn Snyder.
So was Bob De Carolis, who hired the two most successful MBB coaches in the post-Miller era; the most successful (long-term) football and women's basketball coaches of the modern era, and shepherded a complete overhaul of OSU's athletic facilities. And he also was fired, essentially (contract not renewed).
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Post by beaversproud on Jan 25, 2020 9:52:18 GMT -8
Sorry Prof, but Dutch Baughman was fired. So was Lynn Snyder. So was Bob De Carolis, who hired the two most successful MBB coaches in the post-Miller era; the most successful (long-term) football and women's basketball coaches of the modern era, and shepherded a complete overhaul of OSU's athletic facilities. And he also was fired, essentially (contract not renewed). If they didn’t.... then how could they justify a top heavy athletic dept? Nothing like having the highest % of your budget, including the highest paid AD in the conference😆
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jan 25, 2020 10:12:58 GMT -8
Sorry Prof, but Dutch Baughman was fired. So was Lynn Snyder. So was Bob De Carolis, who hired the two most successful MBB coaches in the post-Miller era; the most successful (long-term) football and women's basketball coaches of the modern era, and shepherded a complete overhaul of OSU's athletic facilities. And he also was fired, essentially (contract not renewed). If they didn’t.... then how could they justify a top heavy athletic dept? Nothing like having the highest % of your budget, including the highest paid AD in the conference😆 Again, go on any other Pac-12 team's website, and check the staff directory. You will see that OSU is pretty lean in comparison. The budget numbers being presented on this thread are not an apples-to-apples comparison. When all compensation is included, Mullens makes far more than Scott Barnes.
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Post by greshambeaver on Jan 25, 2020 19:32:23 GMT -8
Excuse me, but I have to call Bulls%#t. CR was twice the coach that we have now. He should have stayed with his original season plan. Hard work and learning defense. Tinkle has no idea what defense means. NO CLUE!
Without his own kid and the Thompson bros his recruiting is worst than horrid... IT JUST PLAIN SUCKS! Even Kelly always wanted to play for Oregon State from what I have discerned...
We will be in a world of hurt next year, not that we aren't right now, but this was supposed to be THAT year! WOW, I hope THAT year, never has this kind of season again!
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Post by spudbeaver on Jan 25, 2020 19:52:57 GMT -8
Excuse me, but I have to call Bulls%#t. CR was twice the coach that we have now. He should have stayed with his original season plan. Hard work and learning defense. Tinkle has no idea what defense means. NO CLUE! Without his own kid and the Thompson bros his recruiting is worst than horrid... IT JUST PLAIN SUCKS! Even Kelly always wanted to play for Oregon State from what I have discerned... We will be in a world of hurt next year, not that we aren't right now, but this was supposed to be THAT year! WOW, I hope THAT year, never has this kind of season again! Wrong. They both suck(ed)!
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Post by steinlager on Jan 25, 2020 19:55:35 GMT -8
Excuse me, but I have to call Bulls%#t. CR was twice the coach that we have now. He should have stayed with his original season plan. Hard work and learning defense. Tinkle has no idea what defense means. NO CLUE! Without his own kid and the Thompson bros his recruiting is worst than horrid... IT JUST PLAIN SUCKS! Even Kelly always wanted to play for Oregon State from what I have discerned... We will be in a world of hurt next year, not that we aren't right now, but this was supposed to be THAT year! WOW, I hope THAT year, never has this kind of season again! Maybe if WT yelled "move" like CR used to he would have the Beavs playing better.
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 25, 2020 20:02:00 GMT -8
Excuse me, but I have to call Bulls%#t. CR was twice the coach that we have now. He should have stayed with his original season plan. Hard work and learning defense. Tinkle has no idea what defense means. NO CLUE! Without his own kid and the Thompson bros his recruiting is worst than horrid... IT JUST PLAIN SUCKS! Even Kelly always wanted to play for Oregon State from what I have discerned... We will be in a world of hurt next year, not that we aren't right now, but this was supposed to be THAT year! WOW, I hope THAT year, never has this kind of season again! Wrong. They both suck(ed)! But, it's on WT's assistants... so he sux less?
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Post by spudbeaver on Jan 25, 2020 20:20:35 GMT -8
Excuse me, but I have to call Bulls%#t. CR was twice the coach that we have now. He should have stayed with his original season plan. Hard work and learning defense. Tinkle has no idea what defense means. NO CLUE! Without his own kid and the Thompson bros his recruiting is worst than horrid... IT JUST PLAIN SUCKS! Even Kelly always wanted to play for Oregon State from what I have discerned... We will be in a world of hurt next year, not that we aren't right now, but this was supposed to be THAT year! WOW, I hope THAT year, never has this kind of season again! Maybe if WT yelled "move" like CR used to he would have the Beavs playing better. He seems to yell a lot. It should be an easy transition.
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Post by spudbeaver on Jan 25, 2020 20:22:21 GMT -8
Wrong. They both suck(ed)! But, it's on WT's assistants... so he sux less? I guess, because college Bb doesn’t follow real life business. “Hey, the people I hired suck, but I’m great, honest!”
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Post by blastingsand on Jan 26, 2020 0:00:27 GMT -8
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