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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 20, 2020 18:49:34 GMT -8
You can’t criticize a guy for hiring Tinkle. He hasn’t been terrible for the program. He injected spirit into the program immediately with a Herculean task of using primarily walk-ons. I don’t know what has happened since then. Perhaps too many sons in the program has kept him from focusing on the “team” aspect of basketball. I dunno. But I wouldn’t say he was a bad hire. I’d like to see him coach again without kids in the program. Make my judgment from there. I've been wanting to see Tinkle coaching without family myself, but I'm feeling a strong, "Be careful what you wish for" feeling right now. Our next year's roster, with the exception of Thompson (should he return), includes only two guys that averaged over 5 pts/game, Reichle at 8.6 (been happy to see his contributions this year) and Hollins at 6.1. Silva is our top big man. Everyone else looks like they are freshmen who simply are not ready. Same here... kinda. But, according to some here that is better than the supposed castoffs/benchwarmers he inherited from Craig? We should be tourney bound!
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Post by beaverinohio on Jan 20, 2020 19:10:31 GMT -8
Oh I think Rutgers pretty well matches OSU futility. Last Rutgers coach to have an overall winning record was Tom Young, and his last season was 1984-85. And you may be right about the Beavs finishing with more wins than Rutgers this year, but Rutgers certainly looks more likely to go to tourney with a NET rank of 18 versus OSU’s 67. Hope I’m wrong and Beavers go on a long winning streak, but if not that means in 6 years with very likely the 2 best players he’ll coach (and quite possibly numbers 3-5) WT will have at best 1 NCAA and 1 NIT appearance.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 20, 2020 21:12:09 GMT -8
Oh I think Rutgers pretty well matches OSU futility. Last Rutgers coach to have an overall winning record was Tom Young, and his last season was 1984-85. And you may be right about the Beavs finishing with more wins than Rutgers this year, but Rutgers certainly looks more likely to go to tourney with a NET rank of 18 versus OSU’s 67. Hope I’m wrong and Beavers go on a long winning streak, but if not that means in 6 years with very likely the 2 best players he’ll coach (and quite possibly numbers 3-5) WT will have at best 1 NCAA and 1 NIT appearance. I posted elsewhere, but, so far, in the Big Ten, Rutgers has won four home games and beat football-first Nebraska in Lincoln. Rutgers only played on Power Five team in non-conference, losing to Pittsburgh by 11. Rutgers' lone non-conference quadrant 1 or 2 victory is against Seton Hall at home. Seton Hall's claim to fame is splitting with Iowa State and losing to Michigan State by three at home. Rutgers has a neutral site loss to St. Bonaventure (quadrant 3) by six. The big differences is that Rutgers has played more conference home games and plays in a conference that is regarded as better. Otherwise, Oregon State is roughly one bad loss or one good Rutgers win apart.
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 20, 2020 21:18:47 GMT -8
Ah the lame comparing opponents, and the transitive property.
I guess the old 49 NET ranking difference means nothing!?
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jan 20, 2020 21:23:24 GMT -8
You can’t criticize a guy for hiring Tinkle. He hasn’t been terrible for the program. He injected spirit into the program immediately with a Herculean task of using primarily walk-ons. I don’t know what has happened since then. Perhaps too many sons in the program has kept him from focusing on the “team” aspect of basketball. I dunno. But I wouldn’t say he was a bad hire. I’d like to see him coach again without kids in the program. Make my judgment from there. I've been wanting to see Tinkle coaching without family myself, but I'm feeling a strong, "Be careful what you wish for" feeling right now. Our next year's roster, with the exception of Thompson (should he return), includes only two guys that averaged over 5 pts/game, Reichle at 8.6 (been happy to see his contributions this year) and Hollins at 6.1. Silva is our top big man. Everyone else looks like they are freshmen who simply are not ready. You do realize Reichle's 8.6 point and Hollins' 6.1 points add up to nearly the total of all the Robinson players Tinkle inherited? We're way ahead of the game compared to Tinkle's first year when the top scorer he inherited averaged 4.0 points.
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Post by seastape on Jan 21, 2020 8:21:11 GMT -8
I've been wanting to see Tinkle coaching without family myself, but I'm feeling a strong, "Be careful what you wish for" feeling right now. Our next year's roster, with the exception of Thompson (should he return), includes only two guys that averaged over 5 pts/game, Reichle at 8.6 (been happy to see his contributions this year) and Hollins at 6.1. Silva is our top big man. Everyone else looks like they are freshmen who simply are not ready. You do realize Reichle's 8.6 point and Hollins' 6.1 points add up to nearly the total of all the Robinson players Tinkle inherited? We're way ahead of the game compared to Tinkle's first year when the top scorer he inherited averaged 4.0 points. I do realize that. We also only have one recruit so far for the upcoming year. I'm glad that we have a few dudes who can play (including Thompson) but do have a lot of worry about the future...I see no GP II out there.
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Post by osubeaver2018 on Jan 21, 2020 8:34:29 GMT -8
You do realize Reichle's 8.6 point and Hollins' 6.1 points add up to nearly the total of all the Robinson players Tinkle inherited? We're way ahead of the game compared to Tinkle's first year when the top scorer he inherited averaged 4.0 points. I do realize that. We also only have one recruit so far for the upcoming year. I'm glad that we have a few dudes who can play (including Thompson) but do have a lot of worry about the future...I see no GP II out there. Does Shengzhe Li have any chance of being medically cleared to play at any point while he's here? If so that could be a boost to the front court. The fact that he's still around as a team manager would maybe suggest that there's a possibility of that happening? Julien Franklin will also have finished his redshirt year and we only graduate two players so that could be the reason there aren't that many commits for next year.
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Post by beaverinohio on Jan 21, 2020 9:43:59 GMT -8
You can’t criticize a guy for hiring Tinkle. He hasn’t been terrible for the program. He injected spirit into the program immediately with a Herculean task of using primarily walk-ons. I don’t know what has happened since then. Perhaps too many sons in the program has kept him from focusing on the “team” aspect of basketball. I dunno. But I wouldn’t say he was a bad hire. I’d like to see him coach again without kids in the program. Make my judgment from there. I'm interested in seeing how he does without family members too. I'd feel better about it if it didn't appear that the cupboard is bare once they leave, but maybe he can instill a better team approach and a more focused identity that leads to success. He did it well in his first season in Corvallis, so maybe there is hope. Can't say I'm counting on it, but he'll have his chance and hope he can pull it off.
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 21, 2020 10:01:14 GMT -8
You can’t criticize a guy for hiring Tinkle. He hasn’t been terrible for the program. He injected spirit into the program immediately with a Herculean task of using primarily walk-ons. I don’t know what has happened since then. Perhaps too many sons in the program has kept him from focusing on the “team” aspect of basketball. I dunno. But I wouldn’t say he was a bad hire. I’d like to see him coach again without kids in the program. Make my judgment from there. I'm interested in seeing how he does without family members too. I'd feel better about it if it didn't appear that the cupboard is bare once they leave, but maybe he can instill a better team approach and a more focused identity that leads to success. He did it well in his first season in Corvallis, so maybe there is hope. Can't say I'm counting on it, but he'll have his chance and hope he can pull it off. The apples to orange comparison of the scrubs WT inherited is very humourous. -the stats consistently quoted were from a Sr heavy team that they had far less playing time than what ZR and AH... who are starters; -the players from/recruited by CR matured and became key components to almost 40 wins and the heralded NCAA appearance; -no such group of purely WT recruited players have matured and provided such depth since those CR recruits; -more recruits have actually left the program over the last 3+ seasons than have become key contributors; -after 5 complete recruiting classes OSU has less productive depth than provided by those lowly CR leftovers; -the state of the program before is the one of the main, consistent "positives" offered to support WT (besides a tourney berth built mainly on the former coach's players as key components). Not his coaching acumen. Not his player development. Not his recruiting. Not his challenging scheduling. Certainly NOT his Pac12 record. The "excuses" of opinion seem to be stronger than the actual facts regarding this basketball program. Nearly $9 mil+ (HC and staff... I may be low!?) in, I'd hope Beaver fans would expect more.
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Post by spudbeaver on Jan 21, 2020 10:04:38 GMT -8
Ok, I can't take the pressure anymore. It was me!
Sorry about that!
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Post by zeroposter on Jan 21, 2020 10:31:16 GMT -8
Ok, I can't take the pressure anymore. It was me! Sorry about that! I knew it. FIRE SPUD!!! Send him to the Blow cheese pile.
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 21, 2020 10:31:26 GMT -8
Ok, I can't take the pressure anymore. It was me! Sorry about that! Just stop it!
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jan 21, 2020 10:44:35 GMT -8
I'm interested in seeing how he does without family members too. I'd feel better about it if it didn't appear that the cupboard is bare once they leave, but maybe he can instill a better team approach and a more focused identity that leads to success. He did it well in his first season in Corvallis, so maybe there is hope. Can't say I'm counting on it, but he'll have his chance and hope he can pull it off. The apples to orange comparison of the scrubs WT inherited is very humourous. -the stats consistently quoted were from a Sr heavy team that they had far less playing time than what ZR and AH... who are starters; -the players from/recruited by CR matured and became key components to almost 40 wins and the heralded NCAA appearance; -no such group of purely WT recruited players have matured and provided such depth since those CR recruits; -more recruits have actually left the program over the last 3+ seasons than have become key contributors; -after 5 complete recruiting classes OSU has less productive depth than provided by those lowly CR leftovers; -the state of the program before is the one of the main, consistent "positives" offered to support WT (besides a tourney berth built mainly on the former coach's players as key components). Not his coaching acumen. Not his player development. Not his recruiting. Not his challenging scheduling. Certainly NOT his Pac12 record. The "excuses" of opinion seem to be stronger than the actual facts regarding this basketball program. Nearly $9 mil+ (HC and staff... I may be low!?) in, I'd hope Beaver fans would expect more. I'm starting to grow weary of your insistence that Tinkle recruits weren't a very important cog in the NCAA tournament season. Gary Payton 2 - 16.0 Pts, 7.8 Reb, 5.0 Ast Tres Tinkle - 13.1 Pts, 5.4 Reb, 1.1 Ast Stephen Thompson Jr. - 10.6 Pts, 1.9 Reb, 0.8 Ast Drew Eubanks - 7.6 Pts, 4.6 Reb, 0.4 Ast Olaf Schaftenaar 6.4 Pts, 2.9 Reb, 1.6 Ast Malcolm Duvivier - 6.1 Pts, 2.4 Reb, 2.2 Ast Langston Morris-Walker 5.2 Pts, 2.4 Reb, 0.9 Ast Derrick Bruce - 4.4 Pts, 1.0 Reb, 1.4 Ast Jarmal Reid - 4.1 Pts, 2.1 Reb, 0.5 Ast Even if you give total credit for GP 2 playing here to Robinson, three of the top 4 and 4 of the top 9 statistical leaders on the team were true freshmen Tinkle recruited. www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/oregon-state/2016.htmlYes there have been issues with some of Tinkle's recruits over the years, but Robinson's last couple full classes were basically full failures. there should have been some Robinson recruited players the following season, there were none.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jan 21, 2020 10:46:46 GMT -8
Ok, I can't take the pressure anymore. It was me! Sorry about that! Just stop it!
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 21, 2020 10:52:54 GMT -8
"I'm starting to grow weary of your insistence that Tinkle recruits weren't a very important"
When... EVER... did I state WT's recruits were anything? And, according to your words, then 5 of the top 9 stats leaders were NOT Tinkle recruits?
It is your consistent insistence stating WT inherited nothing, CR recruits were terrible, nonfactors based on their scoring the year before WT got here.
Without their contributions and depth there is no dance. Thx for proving that.
PS- WT did not recruit GPII. CR did. GPII and did Dad stuck with WT, but it was legacy and CR's early connection at the JC level (plus GP's potential $) that was recruiting. Giving WT credit for anything but not blowing a sure thing is ludicrous.
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