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Post by shelby on Jan 18, 2020 18:24:10 GMT -8
I gave up on men's basketball after being a season ticket holder. I have football and women's basketball and would love to have baseball again ( but, I live in PDX and find that just selecting games works better ). i was watching Coach tinkle a lot today, and it just seems to me like he is doing all of his coaching during the game. I mean he is up and down the floor, on the floor, pointing to a spot on the floor or trying to engage a player ( I see Altman doing it too ), but, it sure seems like he is not directing a team to run a well oiled play - but rather that he is managing a train wreck. My question is, if he is yelling out legitimate instructions or if it's a well oiled set play ? I just don't know - seems so crazy !
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 18, 2020 19:28:43 GMT -8
I gave up on men's basketball after being a season ticket holder. I have football and women's basketball and would love to have baseball again ( but, I live in PDX and find that just selecting games works better ). i was watching Coach tinkle a lot today, and it just seems to me like he is doing all of his coaching during the game. I mean he is up and down the floor, on the floor, pointing to a spot on the floor or trying to engage a player ( I see Altman doing it too ), but, it sure seems like he is not directing a team to run a well oiled play - but rather that he is managing a train wreck. My question is, if he is yelling out legitimate instructions or if it's a well oiled set play ? I just don't know - seems so crazy ! Teams take on the persona of their coach. Leaving Altman and WT's 'morality' out of it, DA is a far, far superior coach. He seems a bit frantic, but he isn't just ranting after the fact. DA is emotionally charged, but is typically calling out sets, not instructing players how to run the sets. He is far more proactive where WT is reactive. If you sit near each during a game you'd notice a stark difference. During the Pac12 tournament last year I've never seen a HC go from cocky/confident... we finished 4th get a bye vs an inferior team... to out of control emotionally and lost on how to adjust. I've never been a fan of WT since early in his attemo pts trying to recruit talent other than coaches sons, but last year was the straw. Year 5 and he still didn't have the composure to lead a program. He's one of those guys who is great when everything is going well. But, has no clue how to lead/fight thru bad times. WT obviously doesn't get his teachings across on the practice court as he spends 40% or more of the game telling players what to do. Then about 40% telling players what they did wrong. 20% grousing and complaining about non calls... mostly vs Tres. The coaching acumen between the two is vast. I'd not want the human being that is DA coaching at OSU, but would love a guy who can teach and develop players like he can. DA is constantly adding transfers/newcomers yet they play better together than players 2,3,4 years in WT's system. Anyway... as posted here before, WT is not going anywhere soon enough. Many fans want better. Some fans actually spoke to Mr. Barnes... the recent extension came afterward as a giant EFF YOU to those folks. So, obviously the AD is happy with what he sees. The younger Barnes gets free gear and a resume builder. OSU gets a coach 20+ games under .500 in Pac12 play after 5 1/3 seasons. Oh well... saves me one sport season of season ticket $ and travel to away games 🙄
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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 18, 2020 19:34:10 GMT -8
I gave up on men's basketball after being a season ticket holder. I have football and women's basketball and would love to have baseball again ( but, I live in PDX and find that just selecting games works better ). i was watching Coach tinkle a lot today, and it just seems to me like he is doing all of his coaching during the game. I mean he is up and down the floor, on the floor, pointing to a spot on the floor or trying to engage a player ( I see Altman doing it too ), but, it sure seems like he is not directing a team to run a well oiled play - but rather that he is managing a train wreck. My question is, if he is yelling out legitimate instructions or if it's a well oiled set play ? I just don't know - seems so crazy ! Teams take on the persona of their coach. Leaving Altman and WT's 'morality' out of it, DA is a far, far superior coach. He seems a bit frantic, but he isn't just ranting after the fact. DA is emotionally charged, but is typically calling out sets, not instructing players how to run the sets. He is far more proactive where WT is reactive. If you sit near each during a game you'd notice a stark difference. During the Pac12 tournament last year I've never seen a HC go from cocky/confident... we finished 4th get a bye vs an inferior team... to out of control emotionally and lost on how to adjust. I've never been a fan of WT since early in his attemo pts trying to recruit talent other than coaches sons, but last year was the straw. Year 5 and he still didn't have the composure to lead a program. He's one of those guys who is great when everything is going well. But, has no clue how to lead/fight thru bad times. WT obviously doesn't get his teachings across on the practice court as he spends 40% or more of the game telling players what to do. Then about 40% telling players what they did wrong. 20% grousing and complaining about non calls... mostly vs Tres. The coaching acumen between the two is vast. I'd not want the human being that is DA coaching at OSU, but would love a guy who can teach and develop players like he can. DA is constantly adding transfers/newcomers yet they play better together than players 2,3,4 years in WT's system. Anyway... as posted here before, WT is not going anywhere soon enough. Many fans want better. Some fans actually spoke to Mr. Barnes... the recent extension came afterward as a giant EFF YOU to those folks. So, obviously the AD is happy with what he sees. The younger Barnes gets free gear and a resume builder. OSU gets a coach 20+ games under .500 in Pac12 play after 5 1/3 seasons. Oh well... saves me one sport season of season ticket $ and travel to away games 🙄 Please stop rooting for this sport. You’re BS posts would not be missed. In fact, don’t post on any board. It wouldn’t be missed. You’re know it all BS is not appreciated.
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 18, 2020 20:20:12 GMT -8
Teams take on the persona of their coach. Leaving Altman and WT's 'morality' out of it, DA is a far, far superior coach. He seems a bit frantic, but he isn't just ranting after the fact. DA is emotionally charged, but is typically calling out sets, not instructing players how to run the sets. He is far more proactive where WT is reactive. If you sit near each during a game you'd notice a stark difference. During the Pac12 tournament last year I've never seen a HC go from cocky/confident... we finished 4th get a bye vs an inferior team... to out of control emotionally and lost on how to adjust. I've never been a fan of WT since early in his attemo pts trying to recruit talent other than coaches sons, but last year was the straw. Year 5 and he still didn't have the composure to lead a program. He's one of those guys who is great when everything is going well. But, has no clue how to lead/fight thru bad times. WT obviously doesn't get his teachings across on the practice court as he spends 40% or more of the game telling players what to do. Then about 40% telling players what they did wrong. 20% grousing and complaining about non calls... mostly vs Tres. The coaching acumen between the two is vast. I'd not want the human being that is DA coaching at OSU, but would love a guy who can teach and develop players like he can. DA is constantly adding transfers/newcomers yet they play better together than players 2,3,4 years in WT's system. Anyway... as posted here before, WT is not going anywhere soon enough. Many fans want better. Some fans actually spoke to Mr. Barnes... the recent extension came afterward as a giant EFF YOU to those folks. So, obviously the AD is happy with what he sees. The younger Barnes gets free gear and a resume builder. OSU gets a coach 20+ games under .500 in Pac12 play after 5 1/3 seasons. Oh well... saves me one sport season of season ticket $ and travel to away games 🙄 Please stop rooting for this sport. You’re BS posts would not be missed. In fact, don’t post on any board. It wouldn’t be missed. You’re know it all BS is not appreciated. So says the king of BS. At least you have an equally 'intelligent' and uninformative fellow poster who likes you! Lol... perfect fit. But, you're right. Should never respond to your sub standard 'dribble'. My bad never again. Sorry. Lol
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Post by fishwrapper on Jan 19, 2020 1:04:28 GMT -8
LOL
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Post by lebaneaver on Jan 19, 2020 6:10:22 GMT -8
I gave up on men's basketball after being a season ticket holder. I have football and women's basketball and would love to have baseball again ( but, I live in PDX and find that just selecting games works better ). i was watching Coach tinkle a lot today, and it just seems to me like he is doing all of his coaching during the game. I mean he is up and down the floor, on the floor, pointing to a spot on the floor or trying to engage a player ( I see Altman doing it too ), but, it sure seems like he is not directing a team to run a well oiled play - but rather that he is managing a train wreck. My question is, if he is yelling out legitimate instructions or if it's a well oiled set play ? I just don't know - seems so crazy ! Teams take on the persona of their coach. Leaving Altman and WT's 'morality' out of it, DA is a far, far superior coach. He seems a bit frantic, but he isn't just ranting after the fact. DA is emotionally charged, but is typically calling out sets, not instructing players how to run the sets. He is far more proactive where WT is reactive. If you sit near each during a game you'd notice a stark difference. During the Pac12 tournament last year I've never seen a HC go from cocky/confident... we finished 4th get a bye vs an inferior team... to out of control emotionally and lost on how to adjust. I've never been a fan of WT since early in his attemo pts trying to recruit talent other than coaches sons, but last year was the straw. Year 5 and he still didn't have the composure to lead a program. He's one of those guys who is great when everything is going well. But, has no clue how to lead/fight thru bad times. WT obviously doesn't get his teachings across on the practice court as he spends 40% or more of the game telling players what to do. Then about 40% telling players what they did wrong. 20% grousing and complaining about non calls... mostly vs Tres. The coaching acumen between the two is vast. I'd not want the human being that is DA coaching at OSU, but would love a guy who can teach and develop players like he can. DA is constantly adding transfers/newcomers yet they play better together than players 2,3,4 years in WT's system. Anyway... as posted here before, WT is not going anywhere soon enough. Many fans want better. Some fans actually spoke to Mr. Barnes... the recent extension came afterward as a giant EFF YOU to those folks. So, obviously the AD is happy with what he sees. The younger Barnes gets free gear and a resume builder. OSU gets a coach 20+ games under .500 in Pac12 play after 5 1/3 seasons. Oh well... saves me one sport season of season ticket $ and travel to away games 🙄 Yes. All good points, AND there just isn't critical mass to change the situation. We've (collectively) become used to it. Tired and weary of beating our heads against the wall in vanity. I DON'T think we're poorly coached; just not well-coached. Could OSU do better? I dunno.
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Post by billsaab on Jan 19, 2020 6:24:27 GMT -8
If AD likes him no complaining or staying away makes any difference. Last year I had hope until the pac 12 playoffs. There is no comparison between Altman and Tinkle. Results are obvious. I have stopped following the Men’s program. Either we go to games or we don’t. I have stopped.
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Post by 56chevy on Jan 19, 2020 7:10:54 GMT -8
If Tinkle had Payton Pritchard on the floor wearing Orange he would look like a lot better coach than he does today. His primary failings are in his recruiting success, or lack of. We've not had a "give me the ball I'm going to win this damn game for us" player since Gary Payton. I can not remember, did we even recruit the kid from West Linn?
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Post by rafer on Jan 19, 2020 7:34:02 GMT -8
If Tinkle had Payton Pritchard on the floor wearing Orange he would look like a lot better coach than he does today. His primary failings are in his recruiting success, or lack of. We've not had a "give me the ball I'm going to win this damn game for us" player since Gary Payton. I can not remember, did we even recruit the kid from West Linn? West Linn is duck heaven, no need to recruit him, there was no way to get him to Corvallis( I have no idea if we did or didn't). Have we had any kids from there in any sport? Maybe, but we have friends from there and that seems to be the vibe in West Linn today in their opinion...
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Post by shelby on Jan 19, 2020 8:19:00 GMT -8
I, for one, appreciate all of the various perspectives. Just as in football,( until yr2 JS ), I just do not understand fan acceptance and complacency. If we need change - we need to change. I also am repulsed by the sideline BS that I see in MBB and with some teams. The 'coaches' charging out on the floor, while play is 'live' ,is something that should be controlled by the officials. Respect the field of play and stop the wild histrionics. Behave like Coach Rueck. As for the actual style of the different coaches, I believe that lack of preparation does seem to play a role. It seems like we are playing full court 'one on one' - which cannot be effective ( as we have seen ). Don't understand why, with all of the coaches we have, that we cannot get the team playing together. But, thanks for the up close observations, I now have a better feel for the extent of our problems.
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Post by bennysdentist on Jan 19, 2020 8:28:46 GMT -8
IMHO WT is a nice guy to lead the staff, but has deficiencies in several areas. Great or really good players make a great coach, so I feel WT should hire a recruiting specialist like Book Richardson from UA or Cameron Dollar when he was at udub. Put some “resources” behind them and see what happens. I’m only partly kidding. What’s the worst that could happen?
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 19, 2020 15:34:55 GMT -8
If Tinkle had Payton Pritchard on the floor wearing Orange he would look like a lot better coach than he does today. His primary failings are in his recruiting success, or lack of. We've not had a "give me the ball I'm going to win this damn game for us" player since Gary Payton. I can not remember, did we even recruit the kid from West Linn? West Linn is duck heaven, no need to recruit him, there was no way to get him to Corvallis( I have no idea if we did or didn't). Have we had any kids from there in any sport? Maybe, but we have friends from there and that seems to be the vibe in West Linn today in their opinion... Craig Robinson basically discovered Pritchard. Tinkle kept recruiting him after the switch. Pritchard is a big football fan, and the Ducks were able to get him out to big-time football games at Autzen. Robinson and Tinkle did not have that luxury. I do not think that you can undervalue Altman's longevity and a successful football team in getting great basketball recruits to show up on campus.
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Post by fridaynightlights on Jan 19, 2020 16:52:18 GMT -8
I am guessing the main reason Prichard went to oregon is that they had been to 4 straight NCAA tourneys and an Elite 8 appearance the year before. Lets face it with rare exceptions we are not going to beat oregon for instate recruits. The last time I can remember winning a recruiting battle for an instate kid was Brian Jackson.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jan 19, 2020 16:57:34 GMT -8
West Linn is duck heaven, no need to recruit him, there was no way to get him to Corvallis( I have no idea if we did or didn't). Have we had any kids from there in any sport? Maybe, but we have friends from there and that seems to be the vibe in West Linn today in their opinion... Craig Robinson basically discovered Pritchard. Tinkle kept recruiting him after the switch. Pritchard is a big football fan, and the Ducks were able to get him out to big-time football games at Autzen. Robinson and Tinkle did not have that luxury. I do not think that you can undervalue Altman's longevity and a successful football team in getting great basketball recruits to show up on campus. You know, I've been wondering if GA's tenure actually hurt the rest of the department (specifically men's BB) to some extent. I figured it was largely a money thing, but perhaps it hit recruiting as well?
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 19, 2020 17:18:10 GMT -8
Craig Robinson basically discovered Pritchard. Tinkle kept recruiting him after the switch. Pritchard is a big football fan, and the Ducks were able to get him out to big-time football games at Autzen. Robinson and Tinkle did not have that luxury. I do not think that you can undervalue Altman's longevity and a successful football team in getting great basketball recruits to show up on campus. You know, I've been wondering if GA's tenure actually hurt the rest of the department (specifically men's BB) to some extent. I figured it was largely a money thing, but perhaps it hit recruiting as well? It seems logical. I was just reading about how Oregon recruited Pritchard, and it was mentioned several times. Pritchard mentioned coming to football games as part of his recruiting.
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