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Post by wbosh15 on Jan 15, 2020 8:46:33 GMT -8
Who are the three potential "game changers" in your opinion that are sitting on the bench? Jelena, Andrea, and Patricia? I would assume Jelena, Andrea, and Taya. |
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Jan 15, 2020 8:58:51 GMT -8
I wanted to list Taya, but her injury excludes her from being an option in the lineup the rest of this season. That can't be remedied this season. I agree that Taya's presence and play on the court would give the team a big lift and she could be a starter if healthy, but it isn't a viable option for '19-'20.
I thought the poster was referring to options that could be utilized this season as potential "game-changers." Based upon Andrea's uncertain situation, it appears to be Jelena who remains to be the only unknown that could help this season's personnel options.
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Jan 15, 2020 12:09:26 GMT -8
Game Notes for the Cal game are posted here. One thing I didn't realize is the fact that we don't have a winning record against Cal historically: "Oregon State is 36-38 all-time against Cal" Cal must have been pretty good once upon a time.....but their record this year would suggest not so much this season. Amazing to see Mik's climb across so many career categories. And not mentioned yet in the Notes is the fact that our two frosh bigs are already among the Top 5-6 freshmen shot blockers at OSU. That is saying something when your history includes the Canadian and German hammers patrolling the paint in their day (though I don't think Marie got that many minutes as a freshman). Go Beavers! |
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Jan 15, 2020 18:29:19 GMT -8
Ruth was a project as a freshman. Didn't start a single game and didn't even play in them all. Most of her work was done as a junior and a senior. Marie was a bit better to start with but also had a slow start.
Taylor and Kennedy are way ahead of both as freshmen.
Now if we can get the same type of improvement out of them it would be something.
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Post by Werebeaver on Jan 15, 2020 19:52:48 GMT -8
Ruth was a project as a freshman. Didn't start a single game and didn't even play in them all. Most of her work was done as a junior and a senior. Marie was a bit better to start with but also had a slow start. Taylor and Kennedy are way ahead of both as freshmen. Now if we can get the same type of improvement out of them it would be something. Taylor seems like a natural. She understands her gifts and her role and works entirely within those parameters - rebounding, shot blocking and close-in scoring. Kennedy is also very gifted but at the 4 more is being expected of her. She’s expected to fill an “inside-out” role with more ball handling, shooting from all ranges, shot blocking and some driving and distribution. In some ways even more has been placed on her plate than was on Taya’s. I think she’s doing an amazing job. She’s a intense competitor and she will be an OSU WBB great by the time she finishes her career. |
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Jan 15, 2020 20:47:10 GMT -8
Ruth was a project as a freshman. Didn't start a single game and didn't even play in them all. Most of her work was done as a junior and a senior. Marie was a bit better to start with but also had a slow start. Taylor and Kennedy are way ahead of both as freshmen. Now if we can get the same type of improvement out of them it would be something. I don't disagree with much of what you are saying, but at the risk of picking nits, I have to disagree a bit with your statement "Most of her work was done as a junior and a senior". Note that Ruth Hamblin holds the Pac-12 record for most blocked shots by a sophomore with 141 in 35 games (page 72 of the Media Guide), all of which she started. She also had more rebounds as a sophomore than her junior season, and averaged nearly 10 ppg as a sophomore (per Roster stats). She also essentially averaged 27 minutes per game her last 3 seasons, and started every game her last 3 seasons. So again, I would just point out that her sophomore season was very impactful as well. It also means that we might expect Taylor/Kennedy to make some huge strides in the coming season, since they are not projects in any sense of the word, and you correctly point out that Ruth certainly was...... Go Beavers! |
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 15, 2020 21:04:36 GMT -8
Ruth was a project as a freshman. Didn't start a single game and didn't even play in them all. Most of her work was done as a junior and a senior. Marie was a bit better to start with but also had a slow start. Taylor and Kennedy are way ahead of both as freshmen. Now if we can get the same type of improvement out of them it would be something. I don't disagree with much of what you are saying, but at the risk of picking nits, I have to disagree a bit with your statement "Most of her work was done as a junior and a senior". Note that Ruth Hamblin holds the Pac-12 record for most blocked shots by a sophomore with 141 in 35 games (page 72 of the Media Guide), all of which she started. She also had more rebounds as a sophomore than her junior season, and averaged nearly 10 ppg as a sophomore (per Roster stats). She also essentially averaged 27 minutes per game her last 3 seasons, and started every game her last 3 seasons. So again, I would just point out that her sophomore season was very impactful as well. It also means that we might expect Taylor/Kennedy to make some huge strides in the coming season, since they are not projects in any sense of the word, and you correctly point out that Ruth certainly was...... Go Beavers! The problem with the scenario. Just because a player is initially better than another at the same point in their careers doesn't mean their improvement will escalate. Some players reach a maturity and level off. In a Ruth vs Taylor comparison the one thing that separates their improvements is where they came from. Taylor had much more exposure to advanced girls hoops. Ruth's parents did a bunch driving to accelerate her development, but it doesn't match the nonstop high school and summer camps/teams. I've got no idea how much Taylor will improve with respect to where she is now. Not sure it can measured in relation to Ruth's improvement. But, she came to OSU much closer to a finished product. Ruth had more room to improve. |
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Jan 15, 2020 22:17:52 GMT -8
Ruth was a project as a freshman. Didn't start a single game and didn't even play in them all. Most of her work was done as a junior and a senior. Marie was a bit better to start with but also had a slow start. Taylor and Kennedy are way ahead of both as freshmen. Now if we can get the same type of improvement out of them it would be something. I don't disagree with much of what you are saying, but at the risk of picking nits, I have to disagree a bit with your statement "Most of her work was done as a junior and a senior". Note that Ruth Hamblin holds the Pac-12 record for most blocked shots by a sophomore with 141 in 35 games (page 72 of the Media Guide), all of which she started. She also had more rebounds as a sophomore than her junior season, and averaged nearly 10 ppg as a sophomore (per Roster stats). She also essentially averaged 27 minutes per game her last 3 seasons, and started every game her last 3 seasons. So again, I would just point out that her sophomore season was very impactful as well. It also means that we might expect Taylor/Kennedy to make some huge strides in the coming season, since they are not projects in any sense of the word, and you correctly point out that Ruth certainly was...... Go Beavers! I stand corrected. Stat wise she was similar but physically she was a different player. IIRC, the team had decided to stay on campus for the summer and work out and run their own practices. It worked wonders for Ruth, she lost a significant amount of weight and put on some muscle. As a junior she was more mobile. The rest of the team benefitted as well. Jaime was more explosive and generally stronger. Ali ran the practices with help from the four juniors. |
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Post by wbosh15 on Jan 16, 2020 8:42:18 GMT -8
The one thing I really remember about Ruth that we haven't seen yet from the freshman was her ability to block shots as the helper on the drive. It seemed like she just erased shots when our guards got beat. The two freshman are great at blocking shots as the primary defender, it will be fun to see how they add to their games as they become more experienced.
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Jan 16, 2020 9:14:24 GMT -8
The one thing I really remember about Ruth that we haven't seen yet from the freshman was her ability to block shots as the helper on the drive. It seemed like she just erased shots when our guards got beat. The two freshman are great at blocking shots as the primary defender, it will be fun to see how they add to their games as they become more experienced. Good point - our defense was formidable when anyone driving had to think twice (how to get by the perimeter defender, how to deal with Ruth/Marie secondarily) about penetration. I also think TJ is showing the typical freshman "leave your feet on pump fakes or the first move" habit, and over time I suspect she will understand she is imposing enough without doing as much of that (to be fair, not sure Ruth was able to leave her feet much on D, though I think she has improved during pro ball on that). We are also discovering that unless we lob over the top of defenders with the ball ending at the high point of TJs reach, more athletic Pac-12 defenders can disrupt. I squint and imagine what happens when someone 6 inches taller is available for that pass......though I don't think we see Jalena this year, for the record (complete speculation on my part, mind you). Go Beavers! |
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