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Post by beaverstever on Jan 13, 2020 9:57:39 GMT -8
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Post by Ruh Roh Beav on Jan 13, 2020 10:21:51 GMT -8
Dang that one blindsided me.....it’s nice for the program to get some acknowledgement from the poll voters. If this team can get some consistency.....that’s a big IF.....they can be a decent club. I was pumped after Colorado road win only to be letdown with ASU. They have shown bits and pieces.....would love to see em continue to get stronger as the PAC play continues.
Tinkle, Ethan and Kyler are our keys for keeping this team going.
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Post by osubeaver2018 on Jan 13, 2020 10:32:04 GMT -8
Did not see that coming after the loss to ASU. Has to be a couple voters who saw the 2nd half against UA (or maybe just one of the FS1 crew that was at the game that may have a vote). I thought if we won both then there was a chance we could sneak into the top 25 or get a significant number of votes, but either way this is cool to see.
Means nothing at this point in the season other than something nice to look at. Take care of business this week and you generate some actual conversation (heard that before).
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 13, 2020 14:54:52 GMT -8
The last time that Oregon State received votes in either major poll was over a four week period in 2016. Oregon State started the season 9-2 and then beat Oregon to post a 10-2 record. The Beavers received 4 AP votes and 3 votes in the Coaches Poll. Oregon State split with the Bay Area schools the following week. The Beavers received 1 AP vote. Oregon State then were swept by the Rocky Mountain schools and stopped receiving votes. Oregon State then lost to UCLA by nine at home but rallied to beat #21 USC by 15. The Beavers received 1 vote in the Coaches poll. Oregon State was then swept by the Arizona schools to fall out of both polls for the remainder of the season. The Beavers went 6-3 down the stretch and an additional 1-1 in the Pac-12 Tournament to punch their ticket to the Tournament. |
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Post by beaversproud on Jan 13, 2020 16:25:02 GMT -8
The last time that Oregon State received votes in either major poll was over a four week period in 2016. Oregon State started the season 9-2 and then beat Oregon to post a 10-2 record. The Beavers received 4 AP votes and 3 votes in the Coaches Poll. Oregon State split with the Bay Area schools the following week. The Beavers received 1 AP vote. Oregon State then were swept by the Rocky Mountain schools and stopped receiving votes. Oregon State then lost to UCLA by nine at home but rallied to beat #21 USC by 15. The Beavers received 1 vote in the Coaches poll. Oregon State was then swept by the Arizona schools to fall out of both polls for the remainder of the season. The Beavers went 6-3 down the stretch and an additional 1-1 in the Pac-12 Tournament to punch their ticket to the Tournament. you're the Google Scholar of OSU Men's Basketball. You some kind of Press guy or something? |
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Post by osu82 on Jan 13, 2020 17:56:57 GMT -8
The last time that Oregon State received votes in either major poll was over a four week period in 2016. Oregon State started the season 9-2 and then beat Oregon to post a 10-2 record. The Beavers received 4 AP votes and 3 votes in the Coaches Poll. Oregon State split with the Bay Area schools the following week. The Beavers received 1 AP vote. Oregon State then were swept by the Rocky Mountain schools and stopped receiving votes. Oregon State then lost to UCLA by nine at home but rallied to beat #21 USC by 15. The Beavers received 1 vote in the Coaches poll. Oregon State was then swept by the Arizona schools to fall out of both polls for the remainder of the season. The Beavers went 6-3 down the stretch and an additional 1-1 in the Pac-12 Tournament to punch their ticket to the Tournament. Wilkypedia indeed. How the hell did you dig that up? |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jan 13, 2020 18:31:25 GMT -8
Did not see that coming after the loss to ASU. Has to be a couple voters who saw the 2nd half against UA (or maybe just one of the FS1 crew that was at the game that may have a vote). I thought if we won both then there was a chance we could sneak into the top 25 or get a significant number of votes, but either way this is cool to see. Means nothing at this point in the season other than something nice to look at. Take care of business this week and you generate some actual conversation (heard that before). It means we have a good enough record, at this point in the season, to receive votes. So it does mean something tangible, not just eye candy. If we're 6-6, we're not receiving votes. |
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Post by osubeaver2018 on Jan 13, 2020 20:47:46 GMT -8
Did not see that coming after the loss to ASU. Has to be a couple voters who saw the 2nd half against UA (or maybe just one of the FS1 crew that was at the game that may have a vote). I thought if we won both then there was a chance we could sneak into the top 25 or get a significant number of votes, but either way this is cool to see. Means nothing at this point in the season other than something nice to look at. Take care of business this week and you generate some actual conversation (heard that before). It means we have a good enough record, at this point in the season, to receive votes. So it does mean something tangible, not just eye candy. If we're 6-6, we're not receiving votes. My point wasn't to try and take anything away from the team or what they've done up to this point, just that rankings now don't mean anything come selection time. I'm very happy we have those votes just want to see the team continue to build on it. |
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Post by beaverstever on Jan 14, 2020 7:40:24 GMT -8
I see it as a pretty big deal:
- it means writers are aware of your team, and think they are in the discussion of the elite.
- the more writers are aware of your team, the more likely they will mention that team.
- the more a team is mentioned by the press, the more aware people are of the program in general, and ihe profile rises in people’s general perception.
- the better the perception, the more likely better recruits will think about and feel comfortable with the program.
... and so on
Of course, getting to the postseason is much more important. However, there are teams every year that get at-large bids that never received any votes, and if you are getting any votes at the end of the regular season, your odds of making the tourney are very good.
Color me stoked.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 14, 2020 14:01:56 GMT -8
The last time that Oregon State received votes in either major poll was over a four week period in 2016. Oregon State started the season 9-2 and then beat Oregon to post a 10-2 record. The Beavers received 4 AP votes and 3 votes in the Coaches Poll. Oregon State split with the Bay Area schools the following week. The Beavers received 1 AP vote. Oregon State then were swept by the Rocky Mountain schools and stopped receiving votes. Oregon State then lost to UCLA by nine at home but rallied to beat #21 USC by 15. The Beavers received 1 vote in the Coaches poll. Oregon State was then swept by the Arizona schools to fall out of both polls for the remainder of the season. The Beavers went 6-3 down the stretch and an additional 1-1 in the Pac-12 Tournament to punch their ticket to the Tournament. Wilkypedia indeed. How the hell did you dig that up? My brother really needed to know to settle a bet, so I looked it up for him. Once I figured it out, I decided to share it with you guys. Also in my deep dive, the last time that Oregon State was ranked in the top 25 was 1990, in case anyone had that question in mind. |
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Post by osubeaver2018 on Jan 14, 2020 14:22:55 GMT -8
Wilkypedia indeed. How the hell did you dig that up? My brother really needed to know to settle a bet, so I looked it up for him. Once I figured it out, I decided to share it with you guys. Also in my deep dive, the last time that Oregon State was ranked in the top 25 was 1990, in case anyone had that question in mind. Win both this week and think that changes? Or is it going to take two good weeks in a row? |
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 14, 2020 14:40:37 GMT -8
My brother really needed to know to settle a bet, so I looked it up for him. Once I figured it out, I decided to share it with you guys. Also in my deep dive, the last time that Oregon State was ranked in the top 25 was 1990, in case anyone had that question in mind. Win both this week and think that changes? Or is it going to take two good weeks in a row? It'll depend on #20-30. OSU not playing ranked teams, prob favored in one, close to even on the other so no big upset. Votes are often used as by local writers/coaches to congratulate short term successes. And, although fans love it, coaches my keep track for contract negotiations they do actually mean nothing. It's not part of any system that gets you into the postseason. The selection committee is well aware of EVERY D1 team, they do not need polls to be reminded of who is out there and who is playing well. OSU sweeps they may gain a couple votes, split and not get any. But, WINS is all that matters... 3-3, at least, is needed after this weekend. I think 10-8 minimum AND (2) Pac12 tourney W's is most likely needed unless OSU somehow finishes in the top 3 in league. There just are not a lot of at-large berths, and they can be greatly affected by conference tourney upsets. I am very curious to see how they play this weekend. As I stated about the women's team, the good news about the ASU game is that isn't the true team, it was an anomaly. Now, is the Zona game the same? Can the men start playing 20 min, 25 min, 30 min like they did the last 13 min? I do not think we'll see them go 16/22 from the field (1 of their last 4, to finish 17 of their last 26) any time soon. But, can they play with the same intensity and focus? Can they play team D? Can they play team O? If they can, they do not need to shoot some incredible % to still win by 7-12 points. Edit... and very similar to the women, I do not see the men as overly deep/talented which could come to haunt them as Pac12 play continues. The Women will be "ok" until the postseason, may even be as low as 4th in Pac12 play. However, as evidence by WT's actions/words he had to shorten the bench a bunch in the 2nd half to trust that the focus and intensity was consistent. Unlike the women who are postseason bound, the men need more from the bench to get to the postseason. |
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Post by beaverinohio on Jan 14, 2020 15:03:04 GMT -8
Win both this week and think that changes? Or is it going to take two good weeks in a row? It'll depend on #20-30. OSU not playing ranked teams, prob favored in one, close to even on the other so no big upset. Votes are often used as by local writers/coaches to congratulate short term successes. And, although fans love it, coaches my keep track for contract negotiations they do actually mean nothing. It's not part of any system that gets you into the postseason. The selection committee is well aware of EVERY D1 team, they do not need polls to be reminded of who is out there and who is playing well. OSU sweeps they may gain a couple votes, split and not get any. But, WINS is all that matters... 3-3, at least, is needed after this weekend. I think 10-8 minimum AND (2) Pac12 tourney W's is most likely needed unless OSU somehow finishes in the top 3 in league. There just are not a lot of at-large berths, and they can be greatly affected by conference tourney upsets. I am very curious to see how they play this weekend. As I stated about the women's team, the good news about the ASU game is that isn't the true team, it was an anomaly. Now, is the Zona game the same? Can the men start playing 20 min, 25 min, 30 min like they did the last 13 min? I do not think we'll see them go 16/22 from the field (1 of their last 4, to finish 17 of their last 26) any time soon. But, can they play with the same intensity and focus? Can they play team D? Can they play team O? If they can, they do not need to shoot some incredible % to still win by 7-12 points. Edit... and very similar to the women, I do not see the men as overly deep/talented which could come to haunt them as Pac12 play continues. The Women will be "ok" until the postseason, may even be as low as 4th in Pac12 play. However, as evidence by WT's actions/words he had to shorten the bench a bunch in the 2nd half to trust that the focus and intensity was consistent. Unlike the women who are postseason bound, the men need more from the bench to get to the postseason. Beavs have to take advantage of Quade Green being suspended. He was leading team with 5.3 apg. In the two games he's now missed they haven't broken 60 -- though both road games. Looks like they might have a bit of Jekyll and Hyde in them too losing to UCLA at home and then dismantling USC. That would be a nice weekend -- Beavs take two and Oregon only gains a split. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 14, 2020 20:41:22 GMT -8
Win both this week and think that changes? Or is it going to take two good weeks in a row? It'll depend on #20-30. OSU not playing ranked teams, prob favored in one, close to even on the other so no big upset. Votes are often used as by local writers/coaches to congratulate short term successes. And, although fans love it, coaches my keep track for contract negotiations they do actually mean nothing. It's not part of any system that gets you into the postseason. The selection committee is well aware of EVERY D1 team, they do not need polls to be reminded of who is out there and who is playing well. OSU sweeps they may gain a couple votes, split and not get any. But, WINS is all that matters... 3-3, at least, is needed after this weekend. I think 10-8 minimum AND (2) Pac12 tourney W's is most likely needed unless OSU somehow finishes in the top 3 in league. There just are not a lot of at-large berths, and they can be greatly affected by conference tourney upsets. I am very curious to see how they play this weekend. As I stated about the women's team, the good news about the ASU game is that isn't the true team, it was an anomaly. Now, is the Zona game the same? Can the men start playing 20 min, 25 min, 30 min like they did the last 13 min? I do not think we'll see them go 16/22 from the field (1 of their last 4, to finish 17 of their last 26) any time soon. But, can they play with the same intensity and focus? Can they play team D? Can they play team O? If they can, they do not need to shoot some incredible % to still win by 7-12 points. Edit... and very similar to the women, I do not see the men as overly deep/talented which could come to haunt them as Pac12 play continues. The Women will be "ok" until the postseason, may even be as low as 4th in Pac12 play. However, as evidence by WT's actions/words he had to shorten the bench a bunch in the 2nd half to trust that the focus and intensity was consistent. Unlike the women who are postseason bound, the men need more from the bench to get to the postseason. I agree 100% with the first paragraph. This weekend, what other teams do will go a lot further toward determining whether Oregon State is ranked or not next weekend. Neither Washington nor Washington State is enough to move the needle unless the Beavers throttle one or the other or, more likely, both. 11-7 and two Tourney wins is probably a clincher. 10-8 and two Tourney wins may get it done, but I think that we sweat out Selection Sunday on the Ides of March. 10-8 and a berth in the Pac-12 Championship Game is probably a clincher. Short of there, Oregon State probably needs to win the Pac-12. The Arizona game was ridiculous. Offensively, that is the best that Oregon State has played this year, hands down. I think that the Beavers could play and have played better on defense than they showed against Arizona. It would be fun to see them put together a truly complete game. |
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