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Post by TheGlove on Jan 9, 2020 23:24:14 GMT -8
do we suck again?
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Post by seastape on Jan 9, 2020 23:49:16 GMT -8
No. Sucking was the football team during the streak and under Anderscum's tenure.
We're just mediocre.
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Post by jefframp on Jan 10, 2020 9:03:25 GMT -8
Of course! You are only as good as your last game.
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Post by alwaysorange on Jan 10, 2020 9:28:56 GMT -8
Against power 5 teams we are 2-4. And none of those teams were or are ranked. If we could play the Portland states or Wyoming's every game we would have a great record. So based on the mediocre power 5 teams we have played we aren't very good or in other words we suck.
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Post by obf on Jan 10, 2020 11:59:56 GMT -8
Yes, unfortunately.
In all likely hood, when all is said and done, ASU is a bottom half of the Pac team, probably bottom 4. Yeah we made a valiant comeback, so the final score doesn't look too, too terrible, but it is unacceptable to be down by 17 to them at the end of the third quarter, at home, coming of a big comeback win, etc. etc. etc.
Maybe we salvage the weekend and upset UofA, but honestly this ASU game is just so disappointing. That's a game that an experienced, thinks they have a shot at dancing, team HAS to win, SHOULD win, heck should win by 10+! Just like the TAMU game.
Last 8 minutes showed we could have won by 15 if we had played with that intensity and desire the whole game, where was that for the first 32 minutes?!?!?!
As much as I love the crowd and teammate inspiring spike blocks from KK, I am starting to see them a Pyrrhic victories. Half the time he spikes it out of bounds or into the waiting hands of the opposing team, so it really isn't a big difference maker, we still have to defend some more, and of course it has greatly limited him as a rebounder. Maybe our perimeter defense is so bad that the threat of KK's rim protection is actually a huge boon, but I sure am getting sick of being out rebounded every game. I am starting to think a Charles Barkley, Joe Burton, Ben Wallace, stuck to the floor, but grabs 10-12 rbs a game type C would be much better for in the long run. Regardless of what they bring offensively, I think I prefer the 10 rb/g, .5 blk/g guy over the 5 rb/g (seriousl KK!), 4.3 blk/g guy.
Of course there is the rare guy like Hassan Whiteside that can gobble 15 rb a game while still blocking 4 shots a night, but I am not sure OSU has every had one of them, at least not in the last 30 years or so.
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Post by OSUprof on Jan 10, 2020 12:32:52 GMT -8
When did we stop sucking?
Tinkle has coached in 93 conference games to date. He's won 36 of them.
Robinson won 32 conference games out of 93 by this same point in his 6th season.
That's a whopping 4 conference game improvement over nearly 6 seasons. Less than one more conference win per season.
I look forward to reading the posts by the defenders of the status quo telling me why I've got it wrong.
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Post by osubeaver2018 on Jan 10, 2020 13:05:46 GMT -8
Against power 5 teams we are 2-4. And none of those teams were or are ranked. If we could play the Portland states or Wyoming's every game we would have a great record. So based on the mediocre power 5 teams we have played we aren't very good or in other words we suck. Colorado is ranked.
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So...
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Post by LT Beaver on Jan 10, 2020 14:49:23 GMT -8
At first I was hoping for some improvement with this years team, but all for not so far. Trey may be our best player but if he's getting double and triple teamed, let someone else lead / attempt to score. As for defense, if you can't play defense go sit down!
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 10, 2020 15:47:34 GMT -8
Yes, unfortunately. In all likely hood, when all is said and done, ASU is a bottom half of the Pac team, probably bottom 4. Yeah we made a valiant comeback, so the final score doesn't look too, too terrible, but it is unacceptable to be down by 17 to them at the end of the third quarter, at home, coming of a big comeback win, etc. etc. etc. Maybe we salvage the weekend and upset UofA, but honestly this ASU game is just so disappointing. That's a game that an experienced, thinks they have a shot at dancing, team HAS to win, SHOULD win, heck should win by 10+! Just like the TAMU game. Last 8 minutes showed we could have won by 15 if we had played with that intensity and desire the whole game, where was that for the first 32 minutes?!?!?! As much as I love the crowd and teammate inspiring spike blocks from KK, I am starting to see them a Pyrrhic victories. Half the time he spikes it out of bounds or into the waiting hands of the opposing team, so it really isn't a big difference maker, we still have to defend some more, and of course it has greatly limited him as a rebounder. Maybe our perimeter defense is so bad that the threat of KK's rim protection is actually a huge boon, but I sure am getting sick of being out rebounded every game. I am starting to think a Charles Barkley, Joe Burton, Ben Wallace, stuck to the floor, but grabs 10-12 rbs a game type C would be much better for in the long run. Regardless of what they bring offensively, I think I prefer the 10 rb/g, .5 blk/g guy over the 5 rb/g (seriousl KK!), 4.3 blk/g guy. Of course there is the rare guy like Hassan Whiteside that can gobble 15 rb a game while still blocking 4 shots a night, but I am not sure OSU has every had one of them, at least not in the last 30 years or so. Who didn't have the Devils in the top half of the conference? The Pac-12 media had them there. SI was even higher on them. The problem with the Devils under Bobby Hurley is that they are wildly inconsistent. Arizona State shot better from three point range than from inside the arc. That is only the second time that that has happened all season for the Devils. The Devils shot worse from inside the arc than they have against most of the teams on their schedule. Arizona State entered the game shooting 29% from three-point range and shot 21 points higher. Rob Edwards came in shooting 30% from beyond the arc and shot 50 points higher. If the Devils shot a more usual 31% from beyond the arc, Oregon State wins 76-73. I watched the game, too. Several of those shots were contested. Sometimes, the other team just gets hot. It happens. On the other side, Oregon State shot better from Three Point Land but did not shoot as well from inside the arc. Reichle played like hot garbage on both sides of the ball. 0/5 from the field and three turnovers. Just awful. Looking at analytics, Oregon State turned in its fourth-worst offensive performance (best offense of the four losses) and its second-worst defensive performance (ahead of only the Utah game). When that happens, you are not going to win that many games. I believe that the Beavers are better team than they showed last night, but, as of right now, Oregon State looks much more like a NIT team than a Tourney team.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jan 10, 2020 17:08:42 GMT -8
As far as the Tinkle having only 4 wins more than Robinson thing goes, Robinson inherited a far more experienced group of kids than Tinkle did and still had players from the previous staff in year three. Night and day difference. That should account for something.
As far as the game itself goes, frankly we should have lost by a lot more. ASU couldn't miss from 3 point land much of the game and the Beavs literally had 8-10 shots that looked good pop out like the inside of the rims were coated with superballs. I'm amazed it was close as it was. If the team had played well or the ball bounced differently it would have been a win. The need to clean up a bunch of things if they're going to make the dance.
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Post by seastape on Jan 10, 2020 19:07:16 GMT -8
Yes, unfortunately. In all likely hood, when all is said and done, ASU is a bottom half of the Pac team, probably bottom 4. Yeah we made a valiant comeback, so the final score doesn't look too, too terrible, but it is unacceptable to be down by 17 to them at the end of the third quarter, at home, coming of a big comeback win, etc. etc. etc. Maybe we salvage the weekend and upset UofA, but honestly this ASU game is just so disappointing. That's a game that an experienced, thinks they have a shot at dancing, team HAS to win, SHOULD win, heck should win by 10+! Just like the TAMU game. Last 8 minutes showed we could have won by 15 if we had played with that intensity and desire the whole game, where was that for the first 32 minutes?!?!?! As much as I love the crowd and teammate inspiring spike blocks from KK, I am starting to see them a Pyrrhic victories. Half the time he spikes it out of bounds or into the waiting hands of the opposing team, so it really isn't a big difference maker, we still have to defend some more, and of course it has greatly limited him as a rebounder. Maybe our perimeter defense is so bad that the threat of KK's rim protection is actually a huge boon, but I sure am getting sick of being out rebounded every game. I am starting to think a Charles Barkley, Joe Burton, Ben Wallace, stuck to the floor, but grabs 10-12 rbs a game type C would be much better for in the long run. Regardless of what they bring offensively, I think I prefer the 10 rb/g, .5 blk/g guy over the 5 rb/g (seriousl KK!), 4.3 blk/g guy. Of course there is the rare guy like Hassan Whiteside that can gobble 15 rb a game while still blocking 4 shots a night, but I am not sure OSU has every had one of them, at least not in the last 30 years or so. I would have liked this post strictly for use of the term, "Pyrrhic victories." But...there's other stuff that is spot on. Getting creamed on the boards is old. Really old. Plus, blocking shots takes a player out of position to rebound. If KK is in there to block, we need another dude to rebound. On the other hand, blocked shots don't explain the lack of offensive rebounds...he's only averaging about 1.5/game, and that, too, needs improvement.
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Post by seastape on Jan 10, 2020 19:10:58 GMT -8
Yes, unfortunately. In all likely hood, when all is said and done, ASU is a bottom half of the Pac team, probably bottom 4. Yeah we made a valiant comeback, so the final score doesn't look too, too terrible, but it is unacceptable to be down by 17 to them at the end of the third quarter, at home, coming of a big comeback win, etc. etc. etc. Maybe we salvage the weekend and upset UofA, but honestly this ASU game is just so disappointing. That's a game that an experienced, thinks they have a shot at dancing, team HAS to win, SHOULD win, heck should win by 10+! Just like the TAMU game. Last 8 minutes showed we could have won by 15 if we had played with that intensity and desire the whole game, where was that for the first 32 minutes?!?!?! As much as I love the crowd and teammate inspiring spike blocks from KK, I am starting to see them a Pyrrhic victories. Half the time he spikes it out of bounds or into the waiting hands of the opposing team, so it really isn't a big difference maker, we still have to defend some more, and of course it has greatly limited him as a rebounder. Maybe our perimeter defense is so bad that the threat of KK's rim protection is actually a huge boon, but I sure am getting sick of being out rebounded every game. I am starting to think a Charles Barkley, Joe Burton, Ben Wallace, stuck to the floor, but grabs 10-12 rbs a game type C would be much better for in the long run. Regardless of what they bring offensively, I think I prefer the 10 rb/g, .5 blk/g guy over the 5 rb/g (seriousl KK!), 4.3 blk/g guy. Of course there is the rare guy like Hassan Whiteside that can gobble 15 rb a game while still blocking 4 shots a night, but I am not sure OSU has every had one of them, at least not in the last 30 years or so. Who didn't have the Devils in the top half of the conference? The Pac-12 media had them there. SI was even higher on them. The problem with the Devils under Bobby Hurley is that they are wildly inconsistent. Arizona State shot better from three point range than from inside the arc. That is only the second time that that has happened all season for the Devils. The Devils shot worse from inside the arc than they have against most of the teams on their schedule. Arizona State entered the game shooting 29% from three-point range and shot 21 points higher. Rob Edwards came in shooting 30% from beyond the arc and shot 50 points higher. If the Devils shot a more usual 31% from beyond the arc, Oregon State wins 76-73. I watched the game, too. Several of those shots were contested. Sometimes, the other team just gets hot. It happens. On the other side, Oregon State shot better from Three Point Land but did not shoot as well from inside the arc. Reichle played like hot garbage on both sides of the ball. 0/5 from the field and three turnovers. Just awful. Looking at analytics, Oregon State turned in its fourth-worst offensive performance (best offense of the four losses) and its second-worst defensive performance (ahead of only the Utah game). When that happens, you are not going to win that many games. I believe that the Beavers are better team than they showed last night, but, as of right now, Oregon State looks much more like a NIT team than a Tourney team. ASU shot lights out from the three but it is amazing how many teams have a get-well-game from the three point line against us. I can't remember the last time we played solid perimeter defense. Their guards were too quick. Too quick for our guys to guard, to quick for our guys to get away from when we played offense. That was Reichle's story vs. ASU; he was shut down on both sides of the ball by quicker guards.
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Post by lebaneaver on Jan 10, 2020 19:21:00 GMT -8
I don't think we suck. Not a bad team. Just not good enough. Respectable. Capable of beating any other PAC12 team. NOT poorly coached. Simply NOT enough talent to win, these days. I don't know how else to look at it. They aren't a lot of fun to watch, but neither is Duke.
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Post by TheGlove on Jan 10, 2020 21:16:51 GMT -8
When did we stop sucking?
Tinkle has coached in 93 conference games to date. He's won 36 of them.
Robinson won 32 conference games out of 93 by this same point in his 6th season.
That's a whopping 4 conference game improvement over nearly 6 seasons. Less than one more conference win per season.
I look forward to reading the posts by the defenders of the status quo telling me why I've got it wrong.
We stopped sucking after the huge comeback win in Boulder.
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Post by beaverdreams on Jan 10, 2020 23:30:16 GMT -8
I don't think we suck. Not a bad team. Just not good enough. Respectable. Capable of beating any other PAC12 team. NOT poorly coached. Simply NOT enough talent to win, these days. I don't know how else to look at it. They aren't a lot of fun to watch, but neither is Duke. This. Nothing more needs to be said, just THIS.
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