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Post by tnarg33 on Jan 6, 2020 12:28:52 GMT -8
And while I'd like to say that credit is going to WT, it is not. It is going to me, because I made the obvious declaration that Hunt should be playing and Hollins should not. So actually I guess I am giving WT credit for finally realizing, even though he may have been the last to do so, that we needed more Hunt and less Hollins. Even if Hunt isn't polished on offense or makes a couple inexperienced decisions, he is an upgrade to our teams effectiveness. He opens the floor for Ethan, who had a career high, and his defense led to a couple of turnovers and general harassment of their best player down the stretch.
All tongue in cheek aside, WT did something a lot of us were doubting he could do anymore and that is adjust. The zone completely stymied the Buffs and was directly responsible for the win.
And also props to Reichle for cementing the fact the he did in fact make a leap this year. In watching him play, it isn't physical really, it is all confidence in my opinion. He drives now looking to finish, he shoots without hesitation, and plays aggressive rather than passive D. If Wayne had anything to do with that confidence being instilled then props to him too, for that is a solid coaching job.
Go Beavs
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jan 6, 2020 12:48:28 GMT -8
I thought that during the latter parts of last season the Beavs were a better team with Antoine in. An actual point guard really makes a difference with this team. Haven't had one since Malcolm left, last year we didn't use the one that we had often enough in my opinion. One of those two should be on the floor most of the time in my opinion.
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Post by damnstraight on Jan 6, 2020 13:03:24 GMT -8
I was happy to see Miller-Moore start 2nd half in Hollins place. Though he didn't have an outstanding outing, I was glad to see the change up. Gianni's presence definitely made a difference on defense, he just needs more PT. Now, I would like to see 2 or 3 sets for Lucas, to see if we can get his 3 PT. shooting going. What a great addition to our offense that would make. He still gets worked some on defense, but I see him playing hard always.
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Post by nabeav on Jan 6, 2020 14:00:50 GMT -8
We were openly searching for a new coach on this board on Friday, and now we're dapping up Coach Tinkle for going zone and playing Gianni Hunt.
Note: We should not be looking for a new coach unless Tom Izzo calls us.
Wayne Tinkle is the only coach since the 1989-90 at Oregon State to: Make the NCAA Tournament Win 10 Pac-12 Games in a season Beat a ranked team on the road (sort of - Colorado is ranked as of this morning) Have more winning seasons than losing seasons. Assuming Tres is first team all conference this year, will have 5 first team all conference selections, two more than anyone else coached during that span (GPII twice, Tres three).
So to recap, in the last 30 years, Wayne Tinkle has brought in the best players and had the best record. He's recruited Oregon fairly well given the lack of top tier talent in the state, bringing in Eubanks and Reichle, and seems to still be in the running for Ben Gregg.
Could someone do better? Sure. But a lot of people have tried and done much, much worse.
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Post by nabeav on Jan 6, 2020 14:01:21 GMT -8
Also....I'm fully on board with the #FreeGianni movement.
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Post by ochobeavo on Jan 6, 2020 14:34:05 GMT -8
Also....I'm fully on board with the #FreeGianni movement. My 2018-2019 #FreeHollins movement has not aged well. That said, count me in on #FreeGianni.
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 6, 2020 14:38:39 GMT -8
Also....I'm fully on board with the #FreeGianni movement. My 2018-2019 #FreeHollins movement has not aged well. That said, count me in on #FreeGianni. Early on I was on the #FreeTucker bandwagon... seemingly alone I might add. I knew early on he'd be buried as the case with younger bigs under WT. I don't see him with as much potential as WW, but he has the frame, movement to be a valuable piece and we can't afford to have him leave also. I'm told he is quite the handful in practice, yet can't even get Silva's minutes??!
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Post by beaversproud on Jan 7, 2020 8:07:31 GMT -8
My 2018-2019 #FreeHollins movement has not aged well. That said, count me in on #FreeGianni. Early on I was on the #FreeTucker bandwagon... seemingly alone I might add. I knew early on he'd be buried as the case with younger bigs under WT. I don't see him with as much potential as WW, but he has the frame, movement to be a valuable piece and we can't afford to have him leave also. I'm told he is quite the handful in practice, yet can't even get Silva's minutes??! Payton Dastrup anyone? remember that hype?
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Post by atownbeaver on Jan 7, 2020 11:59:37 GMT -8
I was happy to see Miller-Moore start 2nd half in Hollins place. Though he didn't have an outstanding outing, I was glad to see the change up. Gianni's presence definitely made a difference on defense, he just needs more PT. Now, I would like to see 2 or 3 sets for Lucas, to see if we can get his 3 PT. shooting going. What a great addition to our offense that would make. He still gets worked some on defense, but I see him playing hard always. Just my own uninformed opinion, but I think we are a better team with Hunt on the floor and us running that 1-3-1. A whole lot like the GPII year. We become a more aggressive, athletic and court stretching team and both sides. It is a smaller, but more dynamic lineup. As another poster says, I think Ethan flourishes in this lineup. Hollins just is the odd man out in this scheme. We haven't gone 1-3-1 that much, but I feel we generate more turnovers and more fast break points with it. I think it is unusual enough that most teams aren't ready to face it, but not so out of the box our own team doesn't have a handle on how to run it.
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Post by beaverinohio on Jan 7, 2020 13:13:26 GMT -8
I was happy to see Miller-Moore start 2nd half in Hollins place. Though he didn't have an outstanding outing, I was glad to see the change up. Gianni's presence definitely made a difference on defense, he just needs more PT. Now, I would like to see 2 or 3 sets for Lucas, to see if we can get his 3 PT. shooting going. What a great addition to our offense that would make. He still gets worked some on defense, but I see him playing hard always. Just my own uninformed opinion, but I think we are a better team with Hunt on the floor and us running that 1-3-1. A whole lot like the GPII year. We become a more aggressive, athletic and court stretching team and both sides. It is a smaller, but more dynamic lineup. As another poster says, I think Ethan flourishes in this lineup. Hollins just is the odd man out in this scheme. We haven't gone 1-3-1 that much, but I feel we generate more turnovers and more fast break points with it. I think it is unusual enough that most teams aren't ready to face it, but not so out of the box our own team doesn't have a handle on how to run it. It certainly worked against Colorado in 2nd half, but I think that was in part because of the Buffs team makeup. I haven't seen ASU this year, so I don't know if it would give them the same kind of trouble. I really don't think it would be nearly as effective against Arizona. I think there is a good chance we'll see more of Hunt against ASU as we did against Buffs. Beavers will need Hollins against Arizona. Zeke Nnaji is going to be a match up nightmare for the Beavs.
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Post by nabeav on Jan 7, 2020 13:15:36 GMT -8
Craig Robinson had some success running a 1-3-1 with Seth Tarver at the top. The downfall he had was it left a very tiny Ahmad Starks covering the baseline and providing almost zero rim protection if the top of the D broke down. This team has the size and length to give teams a little more difficulty even if it's a less athletic team overall than CR had.
The problem with all zones is that once a team gets comfortable against it, it's pretty easy pickings. The soft spots are the same every time down the floor. Colorado never got comfortable, and I think running it later in the game when pressure started ramping up played into that a little bit. I think running it all first half is probably a recipe for losing early leads in the second half. Coaching isn't an exact science, as even the best laid plans can be undone by a hot shooter or just plain bad luck. But if you can pick your spots give teams different looks throughout the game so they're never quite comfortable is a pretty good starting point if you can coach multiple sets effectively and have the personnel to make it work.
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Post by ochobeavo on Jan 7, 2020 13:24:49 GMT -8
Craig Robinson had some success running a 1-3-1 with Seth Tarver at the top. The downfall he had was it left a very tiny Ahmad Starks covering the baseline and providing almost zero rim protection if the top of the D broke down. This team has the size and length to give teams a little more difficulty even if it's a less athletic team overall than CR had. The problem with all zones is that once a team gets comfortable against it, it's pretty easy pickings. The soft spots are the same every time down the floor. Colorado never got comfortable, and I think running it later in the game when pressure started ramping up played into that a little bit. I think running it all first half is probably a recipe for losing early leads in the second half. Coaching isn't an exact science, as even the best laid plans can be undone by a hot shooter or just plain bad luck. But if you can pick your spots give teams different looks throughout the game so they're never quite comfortable is a pretty good starting point if you can coach multiple sets effectively and have the personnel to make it work. I vividly remember Stanford just lobbing it to any big guy cutting baseline over Starks about a dozen times one year and we just kept running our 5'9" PG out there to handle the bottom of a zone. I'm probably exaggerating. Maybe it was ONLY 10 times. Still boggles my mind to this day.
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Post by Mike84 on Jan 7, 2020 17:12:24 GMT -8
...Colorado never got comfortable, and I think running it later in the game when pressure started ramping up played into that a little bit. It could be argued (by me) that it was a bit of a desperation move by OSU, considering the Beavs were down by 12 (or thereabouts). But, it also could be argued that it was the perfect time to spring it, since Colorado was probably feeling pretty comfortable and figured they could just keep up what they were doing and win comfortably. So, step 1 in the diabolical plan was to have the Beavers show that they were not just going to give up. Step 2 was to get Colorado out of their comfort zone. Step 3 was to combine the defensive stops with offensive scores, such that Colorado started to feel more and more pressure as the game slipped away from them. Running the zone earlier in the game would have just given Colorado a relatively pressure-free time to figure out how to defeat it.
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Post by nabeav on Jan 7, 2020 17:43:04 GMT -8
Mike84 I think the mini run where Gianni assisted or scored on about three straight buckets was the catalyst for the defensive switch. His energy was creating buckets and I think led to a Colorado timeout, which is when the switch to zone happened. So yes I think you’re right that it wasn’t a master plan from pregame to spring this trap on them with 8 minutes to go, and had we continued to stall out on O we would’ve taken a 10 point loss and come home with our tail between our legs. The point is that Wayne trusted Gianni (or perhaps lost faith in Hollins) and gave Hunt the extended minutes to get comfortable and predicate the situation where the switch to the zone made sense, and then put the 1-3-1 on. In game adjustments are probably the most difficult part of coaching in my opinion, so that is where the kudos to Wayne and the staff are coming from. Edit: the hardest part of coaching is managing the egos, personalities, and relationships of 12-15 young men who all think they should be playing 40 minutes. Then it’s in game adjustments.
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Post by bennyorange on Jan 8, 2020 8:21:22 GMT -8
My 2018-2019 #FreeHollins movement has not aged well. That said, count me in on #FreeGianni. Early on I was on the #FreeTucker bandwagon... seemingly alone I might add. I knew early on he'd be buried as the case with younger bigs under WT. I don't see him with as much potential as WW, but he has the frame, movement to be a valuable piece and we can't afford to have him leave also. I'm told he is quite the handful in practice, yet can't even get Silva's minutes??! George Tucker ?
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