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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 3, 2020 7:50:44 GMT -8
Don't overlook UCLA and their new coach. Win at UW shooting 39% from the field, 54% from the line, and outscored at the line by 15 (8/15 to UW's 23/32). Talent and learning a new, disciplined system. No gimmes for this team. Easily could start 0-4 Good defensive team. If they can find a way to shoot better, they will be much improved. We pretty much shot like UCLA normally does last night....just don't have the comparable defense
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2ndGenBeaver
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Jan 3, 2020 8:14:54 GMT -8
Raise your hands. Who was excited about the 10-2 record? Oh come on there must be at least one of you. Even at 11-1 I would have still been in wait and see mode cause that would have been little more than taking care of business. 12-0 would've got my attention, but even still oklahoma is the best team we would have played and they're barely a tournament team right now. It's frustrating to watch the same issues each year. I don't see where we get more than 6-8 pac-12 wins this year after the last few games. We're looking at potentially a 1-4 start (I think we beat ASU at home, not giving them anything beyond that) and only play WSU and UCLA once this year. We'll win a game we aren't supposed to (one of UA/@uw/uo/CU) but we'll also lose games we shouldn't (possibly @wsu/@cal?). I just can't see more than an 8th place finish in conference right now with how anemic we have looked recently. I really REALLY hope this is just a prolonged slump, but even if the shooting improves you can't attribute poor defensive positioning, transition D, or poor rebounding to just being in a slump. The rebounding was fine today (we were outrebounded by 5 but that was mostly a product of our poor shooting. We had more offensive rebounds than they did, just missed 10 more shots) but the amount of times we got burned in transition, got beat off the dribble, or left a shooter open at the end of the shot clock was abysmal today. I completely agree with your observations. And this is why I am in the "WT ain't great" camp - his teams year over year seem to have consistency in one area: poor fundamentals. Like I have said before in this forum - WT seems like a great guy, and checks many of the right coaching boxes outside of W-L, but that is the bottom line, and many of the L's (to me) are underscored by lack of fundamentals on display. As has been pointed out, Utah is outrageously young and inexperienced - the TV stat said they have 11 (eleven) freshmen! The had lots of turnovers and other silly youthful things, but it was obvious they were well coached: for example I enjoyed how they busted our zone (textbook interior pass to the top of the key, option to kick out or go for the interior pass at the rim) as an example of good coaching - even though we were on the short end of that stick. WT has (as baseba111 points out) built up this record created by false economies - a preseason playing a crap-ton of teams to whom losing would be a major embarrassment and beating them only slightly less so, and then a very average Pac-12 season. He has managed this by landing his son and his assistants sons as his major recruiting coups - and the number of other recruiting departures makes me wonder what kind of locker room environment that might have created. More disturbing to me is the fact that none of the departures have lit the world on fire elsewhere (as a contrasting example, look at WBB transfer Taylor Kalmer, who has at least parlayed her move from OSU into a starting role (all 15 games of this season) as the team's leading scorer at SDSU, averaging 36 minutes and 14 ppg). This to me indicates that some of the transfers might not have been great recruiting coups (or great losses, you might say in WT's defense, but I would then counter "who recruited them to OSU?"). Anyway, I don't see this season playing out very well - not because we lost to Utah, but in *how* we lost to Utah. I am worried we might see much more of that ahead. And the recent contract extension seems to say "the AD is OK with the MBB product on the floor". Well, I sat through the painful game last night, but my OSU-attending son walked off at halftime saying "I've seen enough, I know how this story ends". And if I was the AD, *that* would worry me........ I will hope, as I have for ~30 years, that I get to fill out a Men's March Madness bracket with Oregon State listed, but that pleasure has been a rarity....... Go Beavers!
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Post by beaversproud on Jan 3, 2020 9:09:58 GMT -8
Found a quick recap of last night: Last night, at the Moda center every year, against T A&M, most road trips.....
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Post by tnarg33 on Jan 3, 2020 11:01:51 GMT -8
Here are my untrained observations from last night, and yes I realize this isn't revolutionary stuff here.
In a point that has been beaten to death almost as much as what constitutes a batting helmet/skull cap, there is no logical reason that Ethan should be the point guard and Hollins and Reichle should both be starting. Based on last night, where they actually got some time, I think Vernon and Hunt are capable players. I actually think Hunt will be really good as he shoots with confidence and plays good D. Splitting time at the point and moving Ethan to the 2 and Hollins to the 6th man I think makes us a much better offensive team.
Secondly I am pretty sure I think that the player I imagine Kylor to be and the player he actually is are getting farther apart. I see a 7 footer who can run and jump like that and who has pretty good touch on his FT distance jumpers and I think, damn that dude is good. But then I watch the games and his offensive skill set at this point is move to open space on Tres/Ethan drives or hard roll on the pick and roll. And when he's not being aggressive then you lose the hard roll part and he is down to just move to open space. He doesn't effectively pick and pop, he doesn't get the put backs you think he should and he doesn't have much of a post up game. I was actually appalled last night when he got it on the block and panicked so bad that without facing up he did a jump turn sort of all at once thing and blocked himself with the backboard.
I am actually impressed by his inability to rebound given his size and athleticism. Again I'm not trying to Kylor bash, I like him, I want him to be good, but he just seems to be offensively limited and I don't know if that is by nature or by circumstance.
I also don't want to keep s%#tting on Tinkle but this Ethan at point thing and the lack of any sort of offensive improvement or development with regards to our big men isn't doing anything to win him fans on Benny's house.
Still, I hope for the best and that my annual days off for first round of March Madness will have a little extra excitement for me this year.
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Post by TheGlove on Jan 3, 2020 11:11:14 GMT -8
Prove it!?🤔🍻 The positive, after tonight maybe WT saw what a true D1 PG looks like. Doesn't have to be a 6'4" swing player. Then again can he recruit them, sign one, keep him?? You mean Deliverance boy?
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