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Post by baseba1111 on Dec 22, 2019 12:25:04 GMT -8
We're 9 and 2 and there's an entire thread on how bad the Pac 12 is doing unless the league just took an about face this week. There's lots of season left. But if OSU doesn't lose then what are people supposed to bitch about?.. lol A coach who is 20 games under .500 in league play... an admin that has given him two extensions... a fan base who doesn't seem to care about mediocrity or keeps excusing it away? Last night was typical WT... play an opponent that is physical, OSU having an off night, no bench to bail out starters having an off night, and he goes ballistic losing composure when things go a bit bad. The team played just like he acted. But, the stat I truly love that is never seen or mentioned... yep OSU is/was 69-15 (can't remember exact record, but close) when leading at half, until last night. Making OSU something like 15-69 when tied or trailing away half!? Hmmmmm...
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Dec 22, 2019 12:30:07 GMT -8
Good grief. One bad loss and the world is coming to an end. Only eleven games in and people are writing this team off. The team shot 8-34 from the field and 0-11 from three point land in the second half. Tinkle probably caused them to miss all of those shots. Judging a team after one bad game is dumb. Some posters don't like Tinkle and haven't for a few years. Even if they played a good second half and won it would still be the same posts. By the way, I didn't see the game. I don't need to see it to realize why they lost. You won't win many games shooting like they did in the second half. The big trick is getting into these kid's heads and somehow short-circuiting those poor shooting spells. I'm thinking very few coaches could do that, some guys think the Phil Jackson type coach grows on trees. On the whole they're playing much better and this is the first extended cold spell of the year I believe.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Dec 22, 2019 12:36:14 GMT -8
Sean Miller-Moore needs to start. Why Alfred Hollins is starting is baffling. Interesting that SMM leads the team in offensive rebounds despite playing only about 10 minutes a game. Not bad for a 6'5" guy. He's also shooting 70% from the field. SMM got a bit more time yesterday, hopefully his playing time will continue to increase. The kid's a physical talent, I suspect it's more of a matter of getting the schemes down and hopefully that's happening.
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Post by beaverdreams on Dec 22, 2019 13:19:15 GMT -8
I guess that game was hard for me to stomach for a couple reasons....yes, I get it, maybe we're overreacting a bit, but that game felt like a 'canary in the coal mine' type event for me, and maybe others. I've WATCHED this team play twice this season...live in person against Oklahoma, the other team with a pulse that they have played, and then this debacle of a game yesterday. The games were eerily similar...anyone else notice that? Both games we should have won....in first half of both I recall thinking how much better we were than both teams, but grew uncomfortable with every passing minute we were unable to pull away.
It seems that both Oklahoma and Texas A&M figured something out against us in second half and then we were simply unable to respond or adjust. Now I'm not a big X's and O's guy like some of you are, but it would seem to me that that indicates coaching adjustments made at halftime by the opponents. Ok, that's to be expected, but then afterwards it's like we become a deer in headlights, heaving up 3's at the side of the backboard....Reichle going in soft to the teeth of their defense, getting swatted over and over again (that was embarrassing, frankly).
The other part, is that yes, this was a 'road game' but did you see the crowd? I mean come on.....students mostly on vacation it appeared...lots of families and 10-12 year old kids, boys and girls, dancing around doing fortnite dances (yes, I sadly know these, having a 12 year old son myself, haha) and just generally having a good time on a Saturday eve...good for them. But my point is, if THAT environment is too much for us to handle, what in the world will this team do when they have dork Duck fans in a packed Matthew Knight Arena bearing down on them, or the Huskies fans at the ol' Hec Ed losing their minds? This team strikes me as very soft both physically and emotionally. Not sure how it got so bad in that regard so fast...we also seem to miss scorers that can score when things get tight....Heck, I found myself really missing Stevie last night.
Ok, just had to get that off my chest....hopefully they prove me wrong going forward, but I saw some worrisome 'bigger picture' issues rear their head in BOTH the Oklahoma and Texas A&M games.
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Post by lefty on Dec 22, 2019 13:20:23 GMT -8
GPII took us to the big dance not Coach Tinkle. And how many times have we been there since? How many players have left our program? The only significant players we have are sons of coaches and that will soon vanish. In basketball there are so many kids playing that have great talent and ability there is no excuse for not fielding a good team. Its not like football or baseball where you need a ton of talent to excel. That's why March Madness is so much fun. Teams like little Lamar can compete with the top team in the country (ring any bells) or Butler and Gonzaga are national championship contenders. I repeat...There is absolutely no excuse for having weak teams year after year in basketball. Gonzaga lost four starters from last year's elite 8 team and they should be ranked number 1 again. And Yes, if we could see the future I would have fired him right after our loss in March Madness. You will get what you accept! Funny how you only post on the basketball board after the one bad game they have played so far this season...where were all your posts when they were winning games? You've posted 3 times in the last 12+ hours but nothing before that.. Your last post was during the Civil War football game bennyshouse.com/user/1033/activityCracks me up I guess.. people only posting and making declarations on how the season will end up only AFTER they have watched OSU play their worst game of the season. Yet the same people have ZERO posts when things are going well
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Post by lefty on Dec 22, 2019 13:31:30 GMT -8
Got news for you Leroy! Things have not gone well since GP II left. A win here, a win there...Even a blind dog finds a bone now and then! 20 games under .500 in conference play! Two things...no news is good news as far as my posts and second its hard for me to watch poor basketball so I don't watch that much men hoops. Now the women that is a different story. Never miss a game. We got one super outstanding coach! I guess if you want to settle for mediocrity you are one happy guy!
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Post by beavheart on Dec 22, 2019 15:09:32 GMT -8
This game reminded me of a few years ago when we lost at Quinnipiac. Another team we SHOULD have beat handily.
Just a hatchet job by the refs. Total homer with one team being able to bang and slap, and the other being called for non-fouls and flops. We compound everything with Tinkle melting down, and the team goes turtle. Something very disturbing about the entire team not having any response when we are clearly being jobbed.
Nobody could make a shot. It's not like we didn't get good looks. Where's the focus to make a 3 when you know you are fighting against a stacked deck? When someone punches me in the mouth I punch back. Where's the fire? Lots of stuff to point fingers at when you can't make a shot, and simply get out muscled by a BAD basketball team that took a boat load of bad calls to even get back in the game.
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Post by seastape on Dec 22, 2019 15:30:05 GMT -8
Good grief. One bad loss and the world is coming to an end. Only eleven games in and people are writing this team off. The team shot 8-34 from the field and 0-11 from three point land in the second half. Tinkle probably caused them to miss all of those shots. Judging a team after one bad game is dumb. Some posters don't like Tinkle and haven't for a few years. Even if they played a good second half and won it would still be the same posts. By the way, I didn't see the game. I don't need to see it to realize why they lost. You won't win many games shooting like they did in the second half. But it's not just one bad loss...we can count on a few of these losses...i.e., losing to teams we should beat...every single year. We can count on the team disappearing for scoreless stretches, we can count on bad perimeter defense, we can count on bad losses that will keep us out of the post-season discussion.
There's time left to have a good season and maybe make it into one tourney or another but how many people have the optimism that Tinkle will get us there? Are the backups going to be prepared to play in the Pac 12 when the starters will need rest? Are we going to stop having long scoring droughts? Better D? Some physicality? We can't count on it; the best we can do is hope. And the past record doesn't give us a lot of hope...
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Post by billsaab on Dec 22, 2019 16:23:26 GMT -8
We had terrible spacing and looked inept. Cannot always bitch about refs. We deserved to lose and we did.
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Post by baseba1111 on Dec 22, 2019 18:00:50 GMT -8
We had terrible spacing and looked inept. Cannot always bitch about refs. We deserved to lose and we did. And... "scheme... learning" was mentioned above. As in... what? Set rubs and curls for TT... one on one dribble penetrations after a double high screen for ET? There is no scheme. There were a few high pick and rolls for KK, but everything else is kick and shoot a 3. (And... KK found out what a physical shot blocker is all about... the difference was startling) The consistency you can count on with WT's OSU teams... - long scoring droughts vs quality competition; - reactive coaching; - unprepared bench play - loss of composure when things go south... especially the HC. 9 wins were versus a TERRIBLE schedule, most not able to win more than 2-3 Pac12 games. Some maybe not any! As mentioned so eloquently in another thread, it's not negative to complain about consistent mediocrity. And, it's lunacy to keep accepting it by comparing to past failures.
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Post by beaverbeliever71 on Dec 22, 2019 18:54:55 GMT -8
Got news for you Leroy! Things have not gone well since GP II left. A win here, a win there...Even a blind dog finds a bone now and then! 20 games under .500 in conference play! Two things...no news is good news as far as my posts and second its hard for me to watch poor basketball so I don't watch that much men hoops. Now the women that is a different story. Never miss a game. We got one super outstanding coach! I guess if you want to settle for mediocrity you are one happy guy! Who's Leroy?
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Post by greshambeaver on Dec 22, 2019 19:41:06 GMT -8
Tinkle is not much more than a train wreck without his kid and the Thompson brothers. Just my opinion, his acquisition of Kelly was pretty much pure luck. His best player since he has been here was inherited from Robinson.
If I am wrong I will state so next year, but I doubt OSU will be more than a .500 team next year. If Rueck had a twin he should be hired as head men's BB coach!
Just another opinion which is that same as you know what, but Kelly has the best NBA potential on the squad this year!
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Post by tnarg33 on Dec 22, 2019 21:23:55 GMT -8
I usually try not to agree with Baseba!!! But his critiques of Tinkle are pretty spot on. I am so f%#*ing sick of watching him complain after Every. Single. Call. Then the players start looking towards the refs/sideline hoping for a bailout.
Also I saw Hunt miss a 3 and immediately get pulled. Which I’ve seen in other games this year. That’s not gonna help a team struggling to hit shots if they’re gonna get pulled if they miss.
And lastly I don’t see it with Lucas. Pure shooter supposedly but looks unathletic and smashed the side of the backboard on a spot up? If these are our recruiting wins I fail to see how we win 10 games next year.
I’m usually not a sky is falling guy and don’t think Tinkle is GA level terrible by any stretch, but this doesn’t look good going forward to me
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Post by avidbeaver on Dec 22, 2019 21:32:37 GMT -8
Good grief. One bad loss and the world is coming to an end. Only eleven games in and people are writing this team off. The team shot 8-34 from the field and 0-11 from three point land in the second half. Tinkle probably caused them to miss all of those shots. Judging a team after one bad game is dumb. Some posters don't like Tinkle and haven't for a few years. Even if they played a good second half and won it would still be the same posts. By the way, I didn't see the game. I don't need to see it to realize why they lost. You won't win many games shooting like they did in the second half. But it's not just one bad loss...we can count on a few of these losses...i.e., losing to teams we should beat...every single year. We can count on the team disappearing for scoreless stretches, we can count on bad perimeter defense, we can count on bad losses that will keep us out of the post-season discussion.
There's time left to have a good season and maybe make it into one tourney or another but how many people have the optimism that Tinkle will get us there? Are the backups going to be prepared to play in the Pac 12 when the starters will need rest? Are we going to stop having long scoring droughts? Better D? Some physicality? We can't count on it; the best we can do is hope. And the past record doesn't give us a lot of hope...
Yes it is just one bad loss. They haven't had another one yet. They might have another one. Odds are they will just like other teams. No one can guess what future games will bring. You can predict bad defense, scoreless stretches, and other things but if it doesn't happen it is just a prediction. I am not saying it won't happen but everyone is jumping to conclusions after a loss where the second half was a mess from a shooting standpoint just from the stat line. I guess I can predict from this game, the team won't win a any conference games. Anything can happen, I just think there is way overreacting to one bad loss.
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Post by blastingsand on Dec 23, 2019 2:51:58 GMT -8
I usually try not to agree with Baseba!!! But his critiques of Tinkle are pretty spot on. I am so f%#*ing sick of watching him complain after Every. Single. Call. Then the players start looking towards the refs/sideline hoping for a bailout.
Also I saw Hunt miss a 3 and immediately get pulled. Which I’ve seen in other games this year. That’s not gonna help a team struggling to hit shots if they’re gonna get pulled if they miss. And lastly I don’t see it with Lucas. Pure shooter supposedly but looks unathletic and smashed the side of the backboard on a spot up? If these are our recruiting wins I fail to see how we win 10 games next year. I’m usually not a sky is falling guy and don’t think Tinkle is GA level terrible by any stretch, but this doesn’t look good going forward to me Add the fans at Gill in that list. Every single call is a bad call for the beavers, no matter how obvious that we were clearly caught was. Guess the fans reflect the players reflect the coach for this one.
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