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Post by Tigardbeav on Mar 29, 2016 17:31:22 GMT -8
Looking at the 06 North Carolina roster we didn't have a chance. Andrew Carnignan, Andrew Miller, Jonathan Hovis, Andrew Bard.
And who was the pivitol player in the game? A little 2B. Pat Casey forced them into playing players out of position by using the bunt game.
Maybe Rueck can pull a little something out of his bag of tricks and find U Conn's soft spot
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Post by beaverstever on Mar 29, 2016 18:41:37 GMT -8
Ok... lots of rhetoric... happiness for being in F4 and rightly so... any belief this team has a chance? Not a Beaver Believer "hope"... a true belief this awesome Beaver's squad has a legit chance versus a team you could arguably say is the most dominate force in their sport over the past 20 plus years. Absolutely they have a chance. It would take a Villanova-Georgetown type of scenario to play out, but OSU is playing like that type of team right now. Things can get very interesting when you have a mixture of a team that is peaking in confidence and believes not only that it can happen but that it's doing to happen, combined with going up against a team that hasn't been had to keep throwing punches for the whole 40 minutes this year, and it has the mixture of the way big upsets happen. I do think the odds are unlikely, but wouldn't be shocked if we did pull it off either. Doubting this group of kids has repeatedly ended up on the wrong side of history - at some point, they simply are who they appear to be - a contender. |
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Post by beaverstever on Mar 29, 2016 18:56:09 GMT -8
Also, another thing that makes me believe is the way Weisner responded to questions about playing UConn. "They have been on my list" is not rhetoric, it was the genuine outcome of setting goals and doing whatever was needed to make then. And I guarantee her list doesn't stop at just playing UConn.
Also, remember that Rueck coached both Stewart and Jefferson on the USA Pan Am team. That means he's had a very close look at their two of their top 3 scorers, and very likely saw some things to exploit. As crafty as Rueck is (so much so that one of the best coaches in the country couldn't figure out why our defense is so good, even losing to OSU), I will not be surprised if UConn's big 3 have off games.
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Post by baseba1111 on Mar 29, 2016 19:09:29 GMT -8
Looking at the 06 North Carolina roster we didn't have a chance. Andrew Carnignan, Andrew Miller, Jonathan Hovis, Andrew Bard. And who was the pivitol player in the game? A little 2B. Pat Casey forced them into playing players out of position by using the bunt game. Maybe Rueck can pull a little something out of his bag of tricks and find U Conn's soft spot You're really not comparing NC baseball to UCONN women's bball? There is zero in common between the level of success nor dominance in hoops to playing a similar type baseball team (which NC was not). |
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Post by baseba1111 on Mar 29, 2016 19:14:15 GMT -8
Ok... lots of rhetoric... happiness for being in F4 and rightly so... any belief this team has a chance? Not a Beaver Believer "hope"... a true belief this awesome Beaver's squad has a legit chance versus a team you could arguably say is the most dominate force in their sport over the past 20 plus years. Absolutely they have a chance. It would take a Villanova-Georgetown type of scenario to play out, but OSU is playing like that type of team right now. Things can get very interesting when you have a mixture of a team that is peaking in confidence and believes not only that it can happen but that it's doing to happen, combined with going up against a team that hasn't been had to keep throwing punches for the whole 40 minutes this year, and it has the mixture of the way big upsets happen. I do think the odds are unlikely, but wouldn't be shocked if we did pull it off either. Doubting this group of kids has repeatedly ended up on the wrong side of history - at some point, they simply are who they appear to be - a contender. Except there is zero comparison to that game and/or teams. Neither is in the comparative class to UCONN women's hoops... none won 30 in a row let alone two streaks of 70+. There isn't a legit comparison unless you want to bring up some upsets if a UCLA team. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2016 19:16:09 GMT -8
Okay everyone, according to the most recent posts, don't even bother watching the game(s) this weekend. No point to.
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Post by beaverstever on Mar 29, 2016 19:19:56 GMT -8
Looking at the 06 North Carolina roster we didn't have a chance. Andrew Carnignan, Andrew Miller, Jonathan Hovis, Andrew Bard. And who was the pivitol player in the game? A little 2B. Pat Casey forced them into playing players out of position by using the bunt game. Maybe Rueck can pull a little something out of his bag of tricks and find U Conn's soft spot You're really not comparing NC baseball to UCONN women's bball? There is zero in common between the level of success nor dominance in hoops to playing a similar type baseball team (which NC was not). I see it as very analogous in that a team that had way more talent, in the heavy favorite role, and played tight resulting in a ton of mental mistakes - allowing the talent gap to become a non-factor. I agree that basketball is a much more difficult sport to have that happen over 40 minutes, but it can and does happen. It's not even that terribly uncommon - OSU is a 21 pt dog currently. By comparison, Middle Tennessee was an 18 pt. dog to Michigan State. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Mar 29, 2016 19:21:03 GMT -8
Ok... lots of rhetoric... happiness for being in F4 and rightly so... any belief this team has a chance? Not a Beaver Believer "hope"... a true belief this awesome Beaver's squad has a legit chance versus a team you could arguably say is the most dominate force in their sport over the past 20 plus years. Most do not remember but Geno had ZERO HC experience and took over a moribund program not as low as OSU was after Lavonda, but overall a way worse program) with ONE winning season in it's history! They not only get the best players, they really develop young ladies into outstanding players and never seem to have a 'hole' at any one position/skill. History will not win this game, but they have a CRAZY long term amount of success/belief... like 120-1 their last 121... all by double digits I think??? That is intimidating by any measure. I'm sitting here shaking my head, wondering what the hell is the point of this post...
Just....why? I don't get it...
GO BEAVS!
Don't hurt yourself. I forgot to ask you for permission or have a reason you deem acceptable to post. Lol Guess it has as much "reason" as our "great" fans spending so much time disparaging other team's fans/coaches pre and post game even though we won. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Mar 29, 2016 19:27:43 GMT -8
1111 I'm just gonna call you "Sandy" from here on out. At my job I'm known for two things: 1)I'm the biggest Beaver fan, 2) I'm the "Crusher of Hopes and Dreams" (no, I'm not in HR, I'm in Testing). But you put me to shame. This is the Final Four, man! Anything can happen. Would you have told David not to pick up that stone and step out onto the field against Goliath? Would you have told Steve Jobs not to keep working on that Mac thingy? Let the dream live, Dude! I can't step outside in the bright sunshine for fear I'll feel a drop, turn around only to see you standing on the second floor peeing down on my head. Do me a favor, next time you wash down there...use a little extra water and try to get some of the sand out! I think you need to read my post more closely. I asked other Beavs what their true thoughts if our chances. And pointed out some FACTS about UConn's program/coach. Did you read me saying we were getting crushed by 40? Did you read that the F4 was not an awesome accomplishment? Did I say there was no reason to watch or no chance of an upset? Did I not say it is similar to how UConn started off AND WE SHOULD COPY IT? Ya... kinda what I thought. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Mar 29, 2016 19:30:18 GMT -8
Ok... lots of rhetoric... happiness for being in F4 and rightly so... any belief this team has a chance? Not a Beaver Believer "hope"... a true belief this awesome Beaver's squad has a legit chance versus a team you could arguably say is the most dominate force in their sport over the past 20 plus years. Absolutely they have a chance. It would take a Villanova-Georgetown type of scenario to play out, but OSU is playing like that type of team right now. Things can get very interesting when you have a mixture of a team that is peaking in confidence and believes not only that it can happen but that it's doing to happen, combined with going up against a team that hasn't been had to keep throwing punches for the whole 40 minutes this year, and it has the mixture of the way big upsets happen. I do think the odds are unlikely, but wouldn't be shocked if we did pull it off either. Doubting this group of kids has repeatedly ended up on the wrong side of history - at some point, they simply are who they appear to be - a contender. THANK YOU... Actually respond to the post as written. Iagree, unlikely but it's why you actually play the gsme. |
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Post by beaverstever on Mar 29, 2016 19:34:13 GMT -8
Absolutely they have a chance. It would take a Villanova-Georgetown type of scenario to play out, but OSU is playing like that type of team right now. Things can get very interesting when you have a mixture of a team that is peaking in confidence and believes not only that it can happen but that it's doing to happen, combined with going up against a team that hasn't been had to keep throwing punches for the whole 40 minutes this year, and it has the mixture of the way big upsets happen. I do think the odds are unlikely, but wouldn't be shocked if we did pull it off either. Doubting this group of kids has repeatedly ended up on the wrong side of history - at some point, they simply are who they appear to be - a contender. Except there is zero comparison to that game and/or teams. Neither is in the comparative class to UCONN women's hoops... none won 30 in a row let alone two streaks of 70+. There isn't a legit comparison unless you want to bring up some upsets if a UCLA team. There's a reason why UConn has the 3rd best RPI even with zero losses and have dominated - they play in a crap conference (1 other NCAA tournament team in USF that was dumped by UCLA). They do what they can, and wins sc and vs. Notre Dame were impressive, but also contested affairs. Their streak is impressive, their SOS is not. I personally watched them get punched in the mouth last year and wilt at Stanford. It's much the same team this yea - they are not invincible. |
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Post by ostate on Mar 29, 2016 19:56:29 GMT -8
I broke down and had to look at the stats for the year:
- Beavs and UConn have the same 3-point % (36.1% & 36.4% respectively)
- Beavs and UConn have the same rebound margin per game (11.4 & 11.3 respectively)
- Beavs give up 51.3 points per game while UConn allows 47.9 per
- Beavs allow 32.0% opponent FG% while UConn allows 33.0%
- Beavs and UConn have the same blocks per game - 6.4
- Beavs win by an average of 15.5 points while UConn beat their opponents by an average of 39.7 points
Now lets put that last stat comparison into context (Massey Ratings):
UConn won the American Athletic Conference which:
- the 5th overall ranked conference in the NCAA; 7th in Offense, 5th in Defense and 6th ranked SOS
- the conference, as a whole, went 74-63 this year
- the average ranking of UConn's conference opponents is 154; only South Florida is in the top 25 (ranked #24) &7 teams ranked 100+
- UConn's SOS is ranked 6; their best win this year was a 10 point win against ND at UConn
The Beavs won the P12 Conference which:
- the top overall ranked conference in the NCAA; #2 in Offense, #1 in Defense and #1 ranked SOS
- the conference, as a whole, went 125-29 this year
- the average ranking of the Beav's conference opponents is 43.9; with 5 teams in the top 25 and only one team ranked 100+
- Beav's SOS is ranked #2; their best win this year was against Baylor and they lost to ND by 1 at ND (with a star player out for the Beavs)
In summary, these teams are very much alike on Defense and it is difficult to tell on offense since (I contend that) UConn has yet to be tested by a quality defensive team. I believe this game will come down to defense, free throws and most likely who has the better bench... It should be a very, very entertaining game and not the 20 point blowout some people are predicting...
So when someone asks if the Beavs have a chance against UConn I would respond with a resounding 'YES'!
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Post by Tigardbeav on Mar 29, 2016 21:45:47 GMT -8
Looking at the 06 North Carolina roster we didn't have a chance. Andrew Carnignan, Andrew Miller, Jonathan Hovis, Andrew Bard. And who was the pivitol player in the game? A little 2B. Pat Casey forced them into playing players out of position by using the bunt game. Maybe Rueck can pull a little something out of his bag of tricks and find U Conn's soft spot You're really not comparing NC baseball to UCONN women's bball? There is zero in common between the level of success nor dominance in hoops to playing a similar type baseball team (which NC was not). Just a David & Goliath scenario. On paper UNC was much better. they played the game and sh*t happened OK, try this. George Tucker goes Kaitlin Jenner and gets a gender alteration..... The Lost Weekend V 2.0 |
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Post by garydog on Mar 30, 2016 14:22:49 GMT -8
How badly will UConn kill us? ? Or is this one of them fancy rhetorical questions? Ok. Badly. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Mar 30, 2016 14:53:39 GMT -8
Why don't you tell us? Or is this one of them fancy rhetorical questions? Ok. Badly. Feel better now that you got that out of your system? |
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