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Post by pitbeavs on Dec 4, 2019 22:22:38 GMT -8
When Moreland tripped a guy in the game, was there a thread entitled "Bad Eric, bad! You should be drawn and quartered for such thuggery? I wasn't on this board back when Moreland did his thing, but I was disgusted. Were you? Based upon your responses, I guess you probably just shrugged it off. But it made me ashamed to be a Beaver. I thought it was one of the premier examples of bad sportsmanship that I have ever seen. And because of it, I don't have much regard for Coach Tinkle. Try to tell me that Ralph Miller would have allowed any of his players to have done something similar. That triggered you, did it?
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Dec 4, 2019 22:25:45 GMT -8
So you have low regard for Coach T based on the actions of a player that left school before he ever got here? Man, some guys are tough on the coach. And... pretty sure no coach "allows" it! Pretty sure a kid does some dumb ass spontaneous action. Not like it's a topic most coaches feel the need to discuss and then say it's ok to do. How each coach handles it can be different. But, fans don't know the inside scoop of how it was indeed handled. And, have no biz knowing. Aw comeon, it's Oregon, the kid probably got a pat on the back, a box of Cubans, a bottle of Patron, a month's rent and some new shoes.
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Post by baseba1111 on Dec 4, 2019 22:36:13 GMT -8
And... pretty sure no coach "allows" it! Pretty sure a kid does some dumb ass spontaneous action. Not like it's a topic most coaches feel the need to discuss and then say it's ok to do. How each coach handles it can be different. But, fans don't know the inside scoop of how it was indeed handled. And, have no biz knowing. Aw comeon, it's Oregon, the kid probably got a pat on the back, a box of Cubans, a bottle of Patron, a month's rent and some new shoes. Don't forget the 6 figure job at Nike waiting for him after graduating. Of course only because of tutors doing his work and profs handing out A's.
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Post by irimi on Dec 5, 2019 7:38:11 GMT -8
I wasn't on this board back when Moreland did his thing, but I was disgusted. Were you? Based upon your responses, I guess you probably just shrugged it off. But it made me ashamed to be a Beaver. I thought it was one of the premier examples of bad sportsmanship that I have ever seen. And because of it, I don't have much regard for Coach Tinkle. Try to tell me that Ralph Miller would have allowed any of his players to have done something similar. So you have low regard for Coach T based on the actions of a player that left school before he ever got here? Man, some guys are tough on the coach. Yes, I am. No doubt about it. In my opinion, a coach has a higher duty than just winning games and that is to mold young men into upright, decent people through the medium of competitive sports. The coach sees the players daily, instructs, and guides. He, better than just about anyone, influences the athlete’s life. Does he let the player get away with a cocky attitude? A privileged manner? A hot temper? A hatred for his opponent? Or does he teach respect and humility? These used to be important qualities in athletics. These days, though, it seems anything goes. Perhaps I’m just old fashioned.
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Post by irimi on Dec 5, 2019 7:53:16 GMT -8
I wasn't on this board back when Moreland did his thing, but I was disgusted. Were you? Based upon your responses, I guess you probably just shrugged it off. But it made me ashamed to be a Beaver. I thought it was one of the premier examples of bad sportsmanship that I have ever seen. And because of it, I don't have much regard for Coach Tinkle. Try to tell me that Ralph Miller would have allowed any of his players to have done something similar. That triggered you, did it? Personally, I’m not fond of the word triggered. These days, the word is often used to suggest that someone is easily offended or a weak person has an emotional breakdown because of some dialogue. Politics has given it a condescending tone in its connotation, which is rather unfortunate in my opinion. So, no, I was not triggered. I was disgusted and ashamed.
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Post by irimi on Dec 5, 2019 8:01:11 GMT -8
So you have low regard for Coach T based on the actions of a player that left school before he ever got here? Man, some guys are tough on the coach. And... pretty sure no coach "allows" it! Pretty sure a kid does some dumb ass spontaneous action. Not like it's a topic most coaches feel the need to discuss and then say it's ok to do. How each coach handles it can be different. But, fans don't know the inside scoop of how it was indeed handled. And, have no biz knowing. Yes, I am also sure that no coach allows it. And that kids do stupid spontaneous crap all the time. But wait a minute. It was a player. Tripping a referee. 1. How does a player get so wrapped up in himself that he puts himself above the ref? The team? 2. Why doesn’t the coach, who sees the player everyday, notice this arrogance/entitlement? Surely it doesn’t just show up for the first time in a game. 3. Why isn’t the coach instilling a respect for all elements of the game—the opponent, the crowd, the refs? OK. Perhaps given the crazy nature of the NBA, this behavior will be harder to weed out. 4. If the coach can’t control the players, who can?
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Dec 5, 2019 8:12:10 GMT -8
So you have low regard for Coach T based on the actions of a player that left school before he ever got here? Man, some guys are tough on the coach. Yes, I am. No doubt about it. In my opinion, a coach has a higher duty than just winning games and that is to mold young men into upright, decent people through the medium of competitive sports. The coach sees the players daily, instructs, and guides. He, better than just about anyone, influences the athlete’s life. Does he let the player get away with a cocky attitude? A privileged manner? A hot temper? A hatred for his opponent? Or does he teach respect and humility? These used to be important qualities in athletics. These days, though, it seems anything goes. Perhaps I’m just old fashioned. Seriously, you talked about Moreland doing his thing and how you hold Coach Tinkle in low regard because of it? Moreland played under Robinson, not Tinkle. Perhaps you meant Reid.
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Post by osubeaver2018 on Dec 5, 2019 8:51:50 GMT -8
Yes, I am. No doubt about it. In my opinion, a coach has a higher duty than just winning games and that is to mold young men into upright, decent people through the medium of competitive sports. The coach sees the players daily, instructs, and guides. He, better than just about anyone, influences the athlete’s life. Does he let the player get away with a cocky attitude? A privileged manner? A hot temper? A hatred for his opponent? Or does he teach respect and humility? These used to be important qualities in athletics. These days, though, it seems anything goes. Perhaps I’m just old fashioned. Seriously, you talked about Moreland doing his thing and how you hold Coach Tinkle in low regard because of it? Moreland played under Robinson, not Tinkle. Perhaps you meant Reid. And Reid WAS suspended for his actions and then barely saw the floor the rest of the year even after he was eligible to play again. Reid was also a player under CR for the first two years of his career and was recruited by him so how much influence was WT really able to have on him anyway? I'm as confused as you are. I can't name any other player on any of WT's teams that I wouldn't want representing OSU athletics from a character standpoint. And if there were questions (maybe Bruce?) they didn't last very long anyway.
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Post by irimi on Dec 5, 2019 9:23:59 GMT -8
Yes, I am. No doubt about it. In my opinion, a coach has a higher duty than just winning games and that is to mold young men into upright, decent people through the medium of competitive sports. The coach sees the players daily, instructs, and guides. He, better than just about anyone, influences the athlete’s life. Does he let the player get away with a cocky attitude? A privileged manner? A hot temper? A hatred for his opponent? Or does he teach respect and humility? These used to be important qualities in athletics. These days, though, it seems anything goes. Perhaps I’m just old fashioned. Seriously, you talked about Moreland doing his thing and how you hold Coach Tinkle in low regard because of it? Moreland played under Robinson, not Tinkle. Perhaps you meant Reid. Thanks for this. My original post is about Reid. It says so blatantly. I was confused in replying to someone else’s comments about Moreland. Easy to get confused when the program has had so many forgettable players. But yeah, I think it falls on the coach’s shoulders. Regardless. It’s a black mark on the university and the program. Who’s in charge of the program? The buck has to stop somewhere.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2019 13:40:48 GMT -8
Seriously, you talked about Moreland doing his thing and how you hold Coach Tinkle in low regard because of it? Moreland played under Robinson, not Tinkle. Perhaps you meant Reid. Thanks for this. My original post is about Reid. It says so blatantly. I was confused in replying to someone else’s comments about Moreland. Easy to get confused when the program has had so many forgettable players. Moreland was a forgettable player? Wow
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Post by seastape on Dec 5, 2019 21:38:21 GMT -8
That triggered you, did it? Personally, I’m not fond of the word triggered. These days, the word is often used to suggest that someone is easily offended or a weak person has an emotional breakdown because of some dialogue. Politics has given it a condescending tone in its connotation, which is rather unfortunate in my opinion. So, no, I was not triggered. I was disgusted and ashamed. That's the worst interpretation of the word and is reading something into it that probably is not there. It's usually, in the casual sense, to mean that someone got upset in some way in reaction to some event or some words. It can be used with good or bad intentions but is not implicitly either one. In my line of work (criminal defense lawyer), I often speak to veterans with PTSD and other people with other mental illnesses and trigger, triggers, and triggered are words I use with them on a daily basis. No offense and no suggestion of weakness is implied or inferred by their use. They are words that are more familiar to people who are in younger generations than I am (Gen X) but I've adopted them as tools of communication. I've never had a client or a client's relative or friend be offended by the use of those words.
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Post by pitbeavs on Dec 5, 2019 21:57:45 GMT -8
Personally, I’m not fond of the word triggered. These days, the word is often used to suggest that someone is easily offended or a weak person has an emotional breakdown because of some dialogue. Politics has given it a condescending tone in its connotation, which is rather unfortunate in my opinion. So, no, I was not triggered. I was disgusted and ashamed. That's the worst interpretation of the word and is reading something into it that probably is not there. It's usually, in the casual sense, to mean that someone got upset in some way in reaction to some event or some words. It can be used with good or bad intentions but is not implicitly either one. In my line of work (criminal defense lawyer), I often speak to veterans with PTSD and other people with other mental illnesses and trigger, triggers, and triggered are words I use with them on a daily basis. No offense and no suggestion of weakness is implied or inferred by their use. They are words that are more familiar to people who are in younger generations than I am (Gen X) but I've adopted them as tools of communication. I've never had a client or a client's relative or friend be offended by the use of those words. Considering his reaction to my question, I'd say he was triggered just a little bit.
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Post by pabeaver on Dec 5, 2019 22:46:50 GMT -8
Except, if it were not the ducks, this thread would not have been started. S&&t like this happens every week somewhere. Do those incidents justify their own thread? Yes, of course. Why do we not see them? Because there seems to be an unwritten law in Beaver fandom -- complain about the duck thugs, unless it happens to a Beav. When Moreland tripped a guy in the game, was there a thread entitled "Bad Eric, bad! You should be drawn and quartered for such thuggery? OK, let’s please set the record straight. 1. This thread exists because a PAC-12 player tripped another player and the league did nothing about it. This is bad for our image. My wife and two of my kids are ducks, so get off the duck hatred thing. 2. I am not aware of this happening every season let alone every week 3. Eric Moreland never tripped anyone. Let’s not disparage him unnecessarily. 4. Jarmal Reid tripped a ref, and there was a huge Beaver thread about it on each of the message boards at the time, and no one, including me thought it was right. I don’t remember one person saying he shouldn’t be suspended. Many said 4 games was not enough. 5. Days ago in this very thread, Beavers said Reid wasn’t suspended long enough. Go back and look. 6. That makes at least 5 threads about how our very own Beavers should be held accountable. Back to the point, with the league seemingly doing nothing, will Seton Hall want to schedule another game with the ducks in the future? Maybe/maybe not Will that reflect badly on us and the rest of the league and prevent good teams from wanting to schedule a game against us? Probably not, but PAC-12, why take the chance?
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Post by osubeaver2018 on Dec 6, 2019 8:12:02 GMT -8
Except, if it were not the ducks, this thread would not have been started. S&&t like this happens every week somewhere. Do those incidents justify their own thread? Yes, of course. Why do we not see them? Because there seems to be an unwritten law in Beaver fandom -- complain about the duck thugs, unless it happens to a Beav. When Moreland tripped a guy in the game, was there a thread entitled "Bad Eric, bad! You should be drawn and quartered for such thuggery? My wife and two of my kids are ducks, so get off the duck hatred thing. No
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Post by pabeaver on Dec 6, 2019 11:36:14 GMT -8
My wife and two of my kids are ducks, so get off the duck hatred thing. No Haha. I was responding to the repeated accusation that I started this thread only because it was a duck who did it. Feel free to hate all you want.
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