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Post by mbabeav on Nov 9, 2019 16:18:40 GMT -8
We need some inside/out and actually get some inside scoring... today and for the future. Kelley needs to post up sooner in the possession. Not sure why he's out on top so much, but he's getting much better at cutting to the hoop off the pick. But he's ending up too far under the hoop on defense, hard to get rebounds when the rim is in the way. But overall, great game to take my grandson to, and a big early season win!
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Post by mbabeav on Nov 9, 2019 16:21:23 GMT -8
Also, gotta give the Iowa State fans props for showing up big.
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Post by portlandcyclone on Nov 9, 2019 19:05:18 GMT -8
Hi all, just checking in quick to thank you for the hospitality and a good game. TT can certainly shoot the rock, those last 2 daggers were tough. Good luck the rest of the way, hope we end up in the tourney to help your resume but expectations aren't super high for the season. Good early season test for both teams though I think, and will help in the conference for sure.
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Post by babeav on Nov 9, 2019 19:20:42 GMT -8
ISU represented well, talked to some really nice folks.....fun game to attend....looked better then Tuesday night.
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Post by beaverinohio on Nov 9, 2019 19:42:06 GMT -8
Good win today. Seemed like everyone who got in did at least one positive thing. Hats off to Reichle who again played well.
Watched Oklahoma against Minnesota this evening. Not s big team and were getting outplayed by Minny but just kept hanging around hit some threes in second half and next thing you know they’re in the lead. Also noticed that their two leading scorers in first game (23 points apiece) only had a combined 19 points in this game, so have some flexibility. Should be another good test.
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Post by beaverbeliever on Nov 9, 2019 20:58:57 GMT -8
Enjoyed the game today - glad I made the quick turnaround to come back to Corvallis after last night. The crowd was pretty decent considering. We definitely looked like a better team than a year ago, and any time you have the best player on the court, you have a chance. Tres is fun to watch.
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Post by osubeaver2018 on Nov 10, 2019 2:19:07 GMT -8
My thoughts:
Tres, what a player. He has clearly been putting in the work to get better and it showed tonight. He completely dominated the first half of the game and was the primary reason we were able to build the lead we did early on. If he wasn't scoring himself he was finding KK in the post or dishing to a shooter on the wing and it was truly fun to watch. The fadeaway mid-range jumper he hit was 100% an NBA caliber shot and impressed me more than the 6/8 3PT shooting. He was quieter in the 2nd half when ISU adjusted to put a better defender on him but then he came up clutch when he was needed the most. The dude just has it so far through two games and I don't think enough can be said about how instrumental he was.
Ethan on the other hand has surprised me with his struggles in the first two games. He still had his moments tonight, in particular his 3 ball in the 2nd half which helped us stay on track but I think it's a great sign that even though he hasn't been at his best we still won comfortably in game 1 and beat what seemed to be a quality opponent in game two. I expect him to right the ship and hopefully then the "big three" will be firing on all cylinders.
Outside of that I loved what I saw from Kylor and his two dunks down the stretch brought the house down and were a big part of keeping momentum in our favor. Another multi-block game and he seems to be positioning himself and rebounding better than last year so far as well. Zach played well again, AH showed some grit and was very involved in the first half, and Roman Silva still looks more polished than I expected. I liked what we got from Lucas and Hunt but they did seem a little in over their head midway through the 2nd half when ISU started to push back and actually took the lead. I won't be holding anything against them though as they are freshmen and I like the potential I see out of the two of them thus far. SMM wasn't as involved in this game as I would have liked but I think we still have a contributor in him and IMO the jury is still out on Dastrup. I know he can shoot and is a great teammate but I haven't seen much out of him on two games so far. Hoping that changes.
Overall I think we look improved over last year's team. Deeper and so far have avoided the big lapses we saw in play last year, especially towards the end of the year. The bench was involved, the "big three" didn't get worn down quite as much (ET 35 minutes, TT 34, KK 32, right where they should be against quality opposition IMO) and everyone who played seemed to contribute at some point. Kudos to WT for recognizing what was and wasn't working and not hesitating to make changes when necessary as well. Thought he managed minutes of some of the starters well by getting them out shortly before media timeouts and letting them rest 1-2 minutes of game time with the timeout as well. The defense looked good much of the night too and forcing a 5+ minute scoring drought from ISU en-route to a 15-0 run in the first half was awesome to say the least. We're used to being on the other end of those runs and it was good to see one in our favor for once. A good team win and even though ISU is not as good as they have been they were not devoid of talent by any means. Still want to see some better FT shooting and would like to take a little better care of the ball but it was an entertaining and surprisingly high quality basketball game for this early in the season.
Hopefully this game builds some momentum and is just the start of a tourney resume for this team. This was definitely a game I think we would have lost last year, especially after ISU seemingly was taking control of the game in the midway point of the 2nd half. Let's go get Oklahoma and hopefully show the country that this team is going to be around for the long haul this year!
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Post by beaverinohio on Nov 10, 2019 2:42:55 GMT -8
I wonder if Ethan isn’t putting a little pressure on himself with Stevie gone — feeling he has to step up and fill the offensive void. If so, hopefully as bench gets more time and shows some consistency he’ll feel a little less pressure.
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Post by bill82 on Nov 10, 2019 5:08:33 GMT -8
Coach's kid detractors- detract on Tres all you want....... Still amazed at how Tres and Ethan cannot seem to play basic defense. Their dads certainly emphasize it enough. I'm coming to the conclusion it must require a type of coordination or physical ability they just don't posses. Tres is pretty awkward whenever he tries to drive the lane or manage his way through traffic. Maybe that awkwardness limits his ability to play shutdown defense. Nevertheless he will produce great offensive statistics this year with his set shots and his tenacity in getting put backs. Ethan seems to lack the lateral quickness to cover nearly any guard. I'm afraid the physical limitations of Tres and Ethan on defense will limit the potential of this team unless someone can step up and cover for them. We will need that to happen if we are to get to the NCAAs. And Tres needs that if he is going to be the Conference POY.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2019 8:22:25 GMT -8
Coach's kid detractors- detract on Tres all you want....... Still amazed at how Tres and Ethan cannot seem to play basic defense. Their dads certainly emphasize it enough. I'm coming to the conclusion it must require a type of coordination or physical ability they just don't posses. Tres is pretty awkward whenever he tries to drive the lane or manage his way through traffic. Maybe that awkwardness limits his ability to play shutdown defense. Nevertheless he will produce great offensive statistics this year with his set shots and his tenacity in getting put backs. Ethan seems to lack the lateral quickness to cover nearly any guard. I'm afraid the physical limitations of Tres and Ethan on defense will limit the potential of this team unless someone can step up and cover for them. We will need that to happen if we are to get to the NCAAs. And Tres needs that if he is going to be the Conference POY. There was improved urgency on offense yesterday and less last second shot clock hurries but ET has a habit of dribbling with his head down and turning his back to the hoop at the start of possessions. You want your point guard scanning the floor and always looking for an entry point. Ethan isnt going to beat guys with his first step but he is big enough and strong enough to go directly into the key and out leverage smaller guards. Been waiting a long time for that to happen.
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Post by obf on Nov 11, 2019 11:39:12 GMT -8
I had to record this one and watch it later... here are my thoughts: Great game. Iowa state is clearly a good, athletic team, and we won that game. They didn't play terribly, or have multiple players out due to injury or academics, we just went out ther, looked like the better team and played like the better team. No fluke in that win. - We held the lead for most of the game, with stood multiple runs by a good Big 12 team, and then on the final game winning run of our own we used four beautifully executed offensive plays. Say what you want about how our offenses have run in the past, but that was some well coached offense at the end of the game. The players had to execute, and boy howdy did they! But the coaches put them in the right plays / drilled them on it enough so they couble be in position to do it. We have bemoaned play calling and coaching in the past, so when it works out we should prbably at least give it a tip of the cap To recap:
- Zach with a very nice FT line screen to free KK for a dunk, Ethan recognised the action and threw the precise pass so KK could catch gather and throw down all in one motion.
- Partially a play, partially Iowa state being so concerned with Tres and Zach (can't believe I just typed that), but after a couple screens Zach found himself semi open for a top of the key three, instead of taking it, which would have been an OK shot, he saw KK all alone under the basket. Threw a nice wrap around bounce pass, Slam dunk!
- Both of Tres's dagger threes were off of designed sets with screens to open him up and were assisted. It's isn't always the case, but assists, especially on set shots and dunks are an indication of a well run, well designed offense.
- In Fact the beavers five final buckets were all assisted jump shots or dunks
[li]Well, I have my crow on the boil as we speak.... Alfred Hollins was pretty invisible in the second half, but had a nice spurt to open the game. And Zach, once the target of all my ire, is quickly becoming teh most improved player in the Pac-12. Another stat stuffing game for him: 11 points, 7 rebounds and two very importnat assists. He was taking shots in rythm and with confidence and making them, he was aggresively going after offensive rebounds liek a mini Tres, and best of all he was asserting himself in crunch time instead of shirinking from the pressure. [/li][li]How often have we (and ALL sports fans in general) read or heard about a player working on X Y or Z all off season, just to see they are the same as they ever were when games actually start? What a breath of fresh air to actually see it! All of the preason material stated that Tres was working on his three point stroke and Zach was "getting into the best shape of his life" so he could be the aggresor on rebounds and defense, etc. Well, proof is in the putting, and at least for 2 games those guys have put paid to that bill! Way to go![/li][li]Ethan had a pretty good second half, but the first half was concerning. However! For the first time in the Wayne Tinkle era I can confidently say that tehre are some young guys that look like given a sliver of a chance they are going to take under performers jobs! Gianni hunt is a ball of energy and was the quickest guy on the court, Halliburton included. He needs to learn how to channel that energy a bit, but it woudl not suprise me if he won the starting PG job at some point. Which would allow Ethan to go to his more comfortable SG spot. Lucas clearly has a smooth shot and we just need to get him incorporated more on offense, but he acquited himself well even on defense in the minutes he got. SMM looks like a fine player, but there just aren't enough minutes to go around if everyone is playing well.[/li][li]Speaking of Ethan as the SG.... I thought the whole plan was with Stevie gone he wasn't going to have to be the main PG anymore? Vernon and Hunt are avalible, but ET still getting most of the PG duties, does WT just not trust the young guys yet?[/li][li]Silva continues to impress. He had a couple buckets including an offensive move that only a handful of back up bigs in the last 2 decades could have pulled off. Heck even a guy like Eubanks either fumbles the catch or misses the running layup his first year or two as a Beav. My first impression of Silva when he signed was a Liam Hughes style "project" whos only apprciable basketball skill was a height starting with the number 7, but Silva has proven that wrong. He should be (and is) first big off the bench, and get 10 minutes a game at least. With a little more summer conditioning he could be the starter next year.[/li][li]I enjoyed Casey Jacobson as an announcer, he pointed out multiple basketball nuances (and the TV crew actually replayed that plays so he could point them out) that I would have missed other wise, and he gave a nice shout out to Lucas who broke his all time scoring record [/li][li]Finally.. whew, what more can be said about Tres! He is ascending to Pac-12 player of the year, in my opinion he is the front runner. If he can consistently stroke threes in the 40% range he will get a lot more hype in teh NBA draft. 27 points, 11 rebounds, 4 assists, obnly 16 shots taken, and not FT driven. It was all in the flow of the offense, one of his best games in a Beaver uniform. I hope he can keep it up all year.[/li][/ul]
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 11:48:17 GMT -8
I had to record this one and watch it later... here are my thoughts: Great game. Iowa state is clearly a good, athletic team, and we won that game. They didn't play terribly, or have multiple players out due to injury or academics, we just went out ther, looked like the better team and played like the better team. No fluke in that win. - We held the lead for most of the game, with stood multiple runs by a good Big 12 team, and then on the final game winning run of our own we used four beautifully executed offensive plays. Say what you want about how our offenses have run in the past, but that was some well coached offense at the end of the game. The players had to execute, and boy howdy did they! But the coaches put them in the right plays / drilled them on it enough so they couble be in position to do it. We have bemoaned play calling and coaching in the past, so when it works out we should prbably at least give it a tip of the cap To recap:
- Zach with a very nice FT line screen to free KK for a dunk, Ethan recognised the action and threw the precise pass so KK could catch gather and throw down all in one motion.
- Partially a play, partially Iowa state being so concerned with Tres and Zach (can't believe I just typed that), but after a couple screens Zach found himself semi open for a top of the key three, instead of taking it, which would have been an OK shot, he saw KK all alone under the basket. Threw a nice wrap around bounce pass, Slam dunk!
- Both of Tres's dagger threes were off of designed sets with screens to open him up and were assisted. It's isn't always the case, but assists, especially on set shots and dunks are an indication of a well run, well designed offense.
- In Fact the beavers five final buckets were all assisted jump shots or dunks
[li]Well, I have my crow on the boil as we speak.... Alfred Hollins was pretty invisible in the second half, but had a nice spurt to open the game. And Zach, once the target of all my ire, is quickly becoming teh most improved player in the Pac-12. Another stat stuffing game for him: 11 points, 7 rebounds and two very importnat assists. He was taking shots in rythm and with confidence and making them, he was aggresively going after offensive rebounds liek a mini Tres, and best of all he was asserting himself in crunch time instead of shirinking from the pressure. [/li][li]How often have we (and ALL sports fans in general) read or heard about a player working on X Y or Z all off season, just to see they are the same as they ever were when games actually start? What a breath of fresh air to actually see it! All of the preason material stated that Tres was working on his three point stroke and Zach was "getting into the best shape of his life" so he could be the aggresor on rebounds and defense, etc. Well, proof is in the putting, and at least for 2 games those guys have put paid to that bill! Way to go![/li][li]Ethan had a pretty good second half, but the first half was concerning. However! For the first time in the Wayne Tinkle era I can confidently say that tehre are some young guys that look like given a sliver of a chance they are going to take under performers jobs! Gianni hunt is a ball of energy and was the quickest guy on the court, Halliburton included. He needs to learn how to channel that energy a bit, but it woudl not suprise me if he won the starting PG job at some point. Which would allow Ethan to go to his more comfortable SG spot. Lucas clearly has a smooth shot and we just need to get him incorporated more on offense, but he acquited himself well even on defense in the minutes he got. SMM looks like a fine player, but there just aren't enough minutes to go around if everyone is playing well.[/li][li]Speaking of Ethan as the SG.... I thought the whole plan was with Stevie gone he wasn't going to have to be the main PG anymore? Vernon and Hunt are avalible, but ET still getting most of the PG duties, does WT just not trust the young guys yet?[/li][li]Silva continues to impress. He had a couple buckets including an offensive move that only a handful of back up bigs in the last 2 decades could have pulled off. Heck even a guy like Eubanks either fumbles the catch or misses the running layup his first year or two as a Beav. My first impression of Silva when he signed was a Liam Hughes style "project" whos only apprciable basketball skill was a height starting with the number 7, but Silva has proven that wrong. He should be (and is) first big off the bench, and get 10 minutes a game at least. With a little more summer conditioning he could be the starter next year.[/li][li]I enjoyed Casey Jacobson as an announcer, he pointed out multiple basketball nuances (and the TV crew actually replayed that plays so he could point them out) that I would have missed other wise, and he gave a nice shout out to Lucas who broke his all time scoring record [/li][li]Finally.. whew, what more can be said about Tres! He is ascending to Pac-12 player of the year, in my opinion he is the front runner. If he can consistently stroke threes in the 40% range he will get a lot more hype in teh NBA draft. 27 points, 11 rebounds, 4 assists, obnly 16 shots taken, and not FT driven. It was all in the flow of the offense, one of his best games in a Beaver uniform. I hope he can keep it up all year.[/li][/ul][/quote] 26 NBA scouts in attendance, mostly there to see Halliburton but they got a huge helping of TT.
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Post by obf on Nov 11, 2019 11:52:19 GMT -8
Coach's kid detractors- detract on Tres all you want....... Still amazed at how Tres and Ethan cannot seem to play basic defense. Their dads certainly emphasize it enough. I'm coming to the conclusion it must require a type of coordination or physical ability they just don't posses. Tres is pretty awkward whenever he tries to drive the lane or manage his way through traffic. Maybe that awkwardness limits his ability to play shutdown defense. Nevertheless he will produce great offensive statistics this year with his set shots and his tenacity in getting put backs. Ethan seems to lack the lateral quickness to cover nearly any guard. I'm afraid the physical limitations of Tres and Ethan on defense will limit the potential of this team unless someone can step up and cover for them. We will need that to happen if we are to get to the NCAAs. And Tres needs that if he is going to be the Conference POY. You either didn't watch the same game I did, or you have some deep seeded ax to grind. There is very little about Tres that could be labeled as awkward or un coordinated. I know you played some intramural basketball, so you know that the contortions he makes on rebounds, drives, floaters, etc. are next level athletic plays. The TV announcers were gushing over his coordination and basketball ability. Kind of teh opposite of Hollins. Tres' athleticism may not be on the level of a guy like Alfred but he is leaps and bounds the better basketball player, BOTH offesneively AND defensively. To whit, other than the BS "flopping warning" (which still resulted in an Iowa State turnover), Tres was able to draw at least 2 charging calls, precisly by being coordinated enough to stay or get in front of a driving player, set his feet and remain upright. That is both basketbal IQ and physical ability and results in a turnover (and a foul on the other team).... IOW, good defense. Tres may never be a lock down one on one defender, but he plays with energy, smarts, and stay within the team concepts (as illustrated by his three off ball blocks). Seriously, not sure you could have picked a worse game to complain abot Tres, smh... As far as Ethan goes, I wasn't watching him as closely, but his first two games have not been stellar, however he did step up and hit a big three and a couple free throws to close out the game against Iowa State
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