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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2019 20:01:52 GMT -8
NCAA has made a decision....
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Post by bvrbooster on Oct 29, 2019 22:20:49 GMT -8
NCAA has made a decision....
Good! Not good. Very poor decision by a body that makes those regularly. Look for Uncle Phil to sign numerous Duck athletes to contracts with Nike, or arrange for other businesses (car dealerships, resorts, restaurants ...) to hire them for promotional work. Recruiting will get dirtier than ever. Think not? Look at all the crap Nike's been involved in on the shady side for years. Now it will all be legit, and it's going to be "sold to the highest bidder" for top notch high school athletes. The big market schools (USC, UCLA) will vastly expand their recruiting advantage over schools in sleepy little hamlets like Corvallis. I see no upside to this. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Oct 30, 2019 0:16:04 GMT -8
Absolutely no upside and no way to enforce it. If you think the NCAA is out of its league now...
The best thing that can come out of this... a new amateur college organization that doesn't pay student athletes.
Another example of random ideas with no plan for implementation or regulation.
PS- and if you're tired of the OSU posters whining about everything uck, well...
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Oct 30, 2019 11:46:30 GMT -8
The only way this works out equitably would be to standardize the payout to all athletes.
Otherwise, now (as pointed out) big market, high enrollment schools are in the pole position.
I think we are in the sunset era of amateur athletics where free education was the reward (so goes the narrative), at least among the "haves" - do the "have nots" propose a "no pay" league?
What is the affiliation of a "pay" team member to a school?
The moral equivalent of a GoFundMe (i.e. a Trading Card) does better with a larger population (student or fan).....so does every promising footballer go to "The OSU" with 66K students or Ped State with 98K students as a result? What affiliates them with those schools?
Does that decide transfers?
I am not opposed to athletes participating in the large revenue streams that exist today around athletics. I just wish (unreasonably) that we did not come to this, for I think in my old age I will be looking for a new hobby as amateur athletics at Oregon State might not be recognizable.....
Go Beavers!
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Post by sparty on Oct 30, 2019 11:56:46 GMT -8
Not good. Very poor decision by a body that makes those regularly. Look for Uncle Phil to sign numerous Duck athletes to contracts with Nike, or arrange for other businesses (car dealerships, resorts, restaurants ...) to hire them for promotional work. Recruiting will get dirtier than ever. Think not? Look at all the crap Nike's been involved in on the shady side for years. Now it will all be legit, and it's going to be "sold to the highest bidder" for top notch high school athletes. The big market schools (USC, UCLA) will vastly expand their recruiting advantage over schools in sleepy little hamlets like Corvallis. I see no upside to this. Yup, Be a of part of a Nike commercial made with a pro athlete of your choice. Something terribly is wrong with all of this. Nothing good about it. |
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Post by joeavocado on Oct 30, 2019 12:06:53 GMT -8
Coming soon: Your U.S.A Track and Field team sponsored by Nike and representing the university of oregon.
Now that it is abundantly clear (if it wasn't before) college athletics is only about money, what is the rationale for continuing intercollegiate athletics? The academic part has become such an afterthought. Why not have kids choose at 18 years old: 1) Go pro, or 2) Go to a D3 type model where they play because they love the game. I know it will never happen because...again...money. At what point do colleges face the fact their mission is not to be a minor league to professional sports teams worth millions/billions?
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Post by bvrbooster on Oct 30, 2019 12:19:37 GMT -8
The only way this works out equitably would be to standardize the payout to all athletes. Otherwise, now (as pointed out) big market, high enrollment schools are in the pole position. I think we are in the sunset era of amateur athletics where free education was the reward (so goes the narrative), at least among the "haves" - do the "have nots" propose a "no pay" league? What is the affiliation of a "pay" team member to a school? The moral equivalent of a GoFundMe (i.e. a Trading Card) does better with a larger population (student or fan).....so does every promising footballer go to "The OSU" with 66K students or Ped State with 98K students as a result? What affiliates them with those schools? Does that decide transfers? I am not opposed to athletes participating in the large revenue streams that exist today around athletics. I just wish (unreasonably) that we did not come to this, for I think in my old age I will be looking for a new hobby as amateur athletics at Oregon State might not be recognizable..... Go Beavers! Standardizing the payout to all athletes - I'm guessing that means all monies paid for use of an individual athlete's likeness go into one big pot, which is then distributed in equal shares to all athletes at all schools. That's never going to fly. It would take about 6 minutes for some kid to sue, and he or she would be right. That would be equivalent to telling Brad Pitt that he has to share his income equally with every member of the Screen Actors Guild. I just don't envision any way in which this doesn't severely diminish the integrity of college sports. |
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Oct 30, 2019 12:28:00 GMT -8
The only way this works out equitably would be to standardize the payout to all athletes. Otherwise, now (as pointed out) big market, high enrollment schools are in the pole position. I think we are in the sunset era of amateur athletics where free education was the reward (so goes the narrative), at least among the "haves" - do the "have nots" propose a "no pay" league? What is the affiliation of a "pay" team member to a school? The moral equivalent of a GoFundMe (i.e. a Trading Card) does better with a larger population (student or fan).....so does every promising footballer go to "The OSU" with 66K students or Ped State with 98K students as a result? What affiliates them with those schools? Does that decide transfers? I am not opposed to athletes participating in the large revenue streams that exist today around athletics. I just wish (unreasonably) that we did not come to this, for I think in my old age I will be looking for a new hobby as amateur athletics at Oregon State might not be recognizable..... Go Beavers! Standardizing the payout to all athletes - I'm guessing that means all monies paid for use of an individual athlete's likeness go into one big pot, which is then distributed in equal shares to all athletes at all schools. That's never going to fly. It would take about 6 minutes for some kid to sue, and he or she would be right. That would be equivalent to telling Brad Pitt that he has to share his income equally with every member of the Screen Actors Guild. I just don't envision any way in which this doesn't severely diminish the integrity of college sports. Agree - making this a function of an athlete's popularity by extension ties this to the "popularity" of the program. In NBA/MLB we have "small market teams" vs "large market teams"..... A system like "every D-1 athlete gets $65K + health + education" might keep the illusion of a level playing field. |
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Post by mbabeav on Oct 30, 2019 12:59:26 GMT -8
Coming soon: Your U.S.A Track and Field team sponsored by Nike and representing the university of oregon. Now that it is abundantly clear (if it wasn't before) college athletics is only about money, what is the rationale for continuing intercollegiate athletics? The academic part has become such an afterthought. Why not have kids choose at 18 years old: 1) Go pro, or 2) Go to a D3 type model where they play because they love the game. I know it will never happen because...again...money. At what point do colleges face the fact their mission is not to be a minor league to professional sports teams worth millions/billions? USA Track & Field has had pros every since the Olympics started allowing it, along with the "amateurs". Sure, the pros can't compete at the NCAA championships, but they can compete at the Olympic qualifying tournament and get paid for getting their faces on the Wheaties boxes. |
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Post by joeavocado on Oct 30, 2019 13:11:01 GMT -8
Point being, there will no longer be amateurs in track and field. If a school wants to roll the dice on investing in a minor sport, like track, to win a national championship, they won't have much competition. No other school will match what uo will be able to pay it's track athletes due to the Nike connection. Not to mention a brand new track stadium also funded by Nike/Phil.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2019 15:01:22 GMT -8
This has turned in to an episode of Gulliver's Travels and Glum opening with "We'll NEVER make it"
1. College sports is not amateur, it is a billion dollar machine.
2. The NCAA legal team will come up with some intelligent laws to protect the integrity of recruiting (it will be trial and error to start with, but they will get it right(ish) eventually)
3. Uncle Phil is "of the debil son" and yes he will use it to the ucks advantage if allowed. So i don't have an answer for that one. Maybe we could start to be nice to him and see if he looks after the poor little cousin down the road, or we could impeach him.
4. Everything is going to be fine, some kids will make some money, the FBI will have to catch some real criminals and our girls will keep entertaining us.
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Post by shelby on Oct 31, 2019 6:08:18 GMT -8
The issue, as it is today, and as it will evolve on this action,
is that money drives everything, and wherever there is money, there are individuals / organizations that will abuse the system. This will be just another opportunity for athletes, fans, businesses and ‘agents’ et al, to create money grab schemes to cash in on. Who will police it ? What are the penalties for over- reach ?
Will the individuals uniform be decorated with sponsorship logos that have nothing to do with the athletes University affiliation. I am going to say that greed is going to push this ‘sea change’ off the rails.
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