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Post by lotrader on Jul 30, 2019 19:39:46 GMT -8
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2ndGenBeaver
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Jul 30, 2019 19:43:19 GMT -8
One of the articles identifies the 4th team in the Maui Jim Maui tournament as San Jose State:
Following their game in Prescott, the Jacks will wrap up the nonconference slate across the Pacific Ocean at the Maui Jim Maui Classic hosted by Oregon State on Dec. 18 and 19. Northern Arizona and Oregon State will be joined by BYU and San Jose State in the four-team tournament, with matchups yet to be determined.
Thanks for the links!
Go Beavers!
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Post by bvrbooster on Jul 30, 2019 19:44:26 GMT -8
The article says San Jose State is the 4th team. Wonder when our schedule will be released.
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Jul 30, 2019 19:49:25 GMT -8
Logic would have us playing either Northern Arizona or San Jose State first, so I’m guessing that’ll be the case. BYU’s star player went down with an ACL injury this off-season and will miss 19-20, but they could still be a formidable opponent, and they have 6-7 in the middle. They beat Gonzaga 3/3 times last season.
I want Notre Dame on the non-conference schedule very bad.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 20:10:46 GMT -8
Logic would have us playing either Northern Arizona or San Jose State first, so I’m guessing that’ll be the case. BYU’s star player went down with an ACL injury this off-season and will miss 19-20, but they could still be a formidable opponent, and they have 6-7 in the middle. They beat Gonzaga 3/3 times last season. I want Notre Dame on the non-conference schedule very bad. EVERY game on our schedule needs to be tough. I for one have little interest in watching our team destroy LaSalle or Arkansas Pine-Bluff or Eastern Washington by 50 points. I don't think most people want to see that, and I'm sure our players don't want that. Our players are top-notch this year. There's no reason we can't be competitive with any team in the country. Our players need challenges, they want to be challenged, and our fans want it. Even if we lose to Notre Dame or UConn or Baylor, it will be a learning experience for our players, and that will be huge when it comes to the Pac-12 season, the Pac-12 tournament, and the playoffs. Let's hope Rueck has the balls to put his players into tough situations instead of just trying to rack up as many wins as he can against wimpy teams.
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Post by beaveragain on Jul 30, 2019 21:06:42 GMT -8
Actually I'm ok with some easy games so I get to see what the new folks and the back up's can do, as well as different combo's of players. Which is, of course, why Rueck does it. I admit that I really hope we get to see better competition than just Duke like last year. The WNIT will provide some fun but no great competition that I see. From what Rueck said the problem isn't OSU but other teams agreeing to the exchange of home games. For instance Notre Dame said no to further games.
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Post by bvrbooster on Jul 30, 2019 21:19:59 GMT -8
No argument that there has been more than the occasional cream puff on the schedule, but there are plenty of top teams as well. Last year, we played South Carolina (finished #13 in the coaches poll), Notre Dame (2), Texas A&M (12), and Duke (down year last year, but #12 prior year).
Conference play included Oregon(4), Stanford (7), UCLA (14), and Arizona State (15). That's 7 of the other 14 teams that finished in the top 15 in the nation. How many more you want us to play?
My only argument with the cream puff games last year is that Scott didn't take advantage of the blowouts to give more playing time to the 2 freshmen. But, then again, I'm pretty sure I'd take the same talent Scott coaches to 25 + wins and the sweet sixteen, and lead them to a 16 - 15 record, and the season ending with one and done at the PAC 12 tournament.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jul 30, 2019 21:50:36 GMT -8
The article says San Jose State is the 4th team. Wonder when our schedule will be released. Not until the Pac-12 Network finalizes the TV schedule.
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Jul 31, 2019 6:32:21 GMT -8
No argument that there has been more than the occasional cream puff on the schedule, but there are plenty of top teams as well. Last year, we played South Carolina (finished #13 in the coaches poll), Notre Dame (2), Texas A&M (12), and Duke (down year last year, but #12 prior year). Conference play included Oregon(4), Stanford (7), UCLA (14), and Arizona State (15). That's 7 of the other 14 teams that finished in the top 15 in the nation. How many more you want us to play? My only argument with the cream puff games last year is that Scott didn't take advantage of the blowouts to give more playing time to the 2 freshmen. But, then again, I'm pretty sure I'd take the same talent Scott coaches to 25 + wins and the sweet sixteen, and lead them to a 16 - 15 record, and the season ending with one and done at the PAC 12 tournament. Obviously we don't need to play a gauntlet of a schedule, because the Pac-12 is so tough. I liked last year's non-conference a lot, but the level of the "cream puffs" were a little too low in RPI. Arkansas Pine-Bluff was 349 out of 351, Cal Poly was 316, and La Salle was 284. Those are the teams that can really hurt come scheduling for tournament time, because SOS is taken highly into consideration. If we can replace some of the lower RPI teams with higher RPI teams, it can help for SOS.
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Post by willtalk on Jul 31, 2019 11:48:19 GMT -8
A team can play teams that range in the 60 to 120 range for easy wins and not hurt their RPI as much as a team in the 250 and down category. Playing one team below 250 will negate playing a team in the top ten RPI wise. Some coaches like to schedule really easy teams to act as extended practice, but this year the team goes to Italy and so they should be farther along than normal. This makes those types of games less necessary.
I personally do not like the RPI as a standard for strength of schedule. Let's say a team plays two top ten teams, with 4 teams in the top twenty. They also then play four teams around the 250 mark. The low rated teams will negate and bring the RPI down to the level of a team that plays 8 teams at around 100 to 150 level. Now both the 100-150 teams have about as much of a chance to beat a top team as those in the 250 area. However, the four teams in the top twenty ( especially those in the top ten) represent a real threat to the teams playing them. Yet both those schedules will average out to about equal. Now logically which schedule is more difficult? Obviously the one with the 4 top 20 teams.
I would suggest that to get a more realistic perspective of RPI, that teams that are more than a dictated level below any given teams own RPI ranking be eliminated from the equation, unless it results in a loss. It would eliminate any relative low-level team both with respect to consideration in figuring RPI and win total. If we eliminate legit cupcakes from both strength of schedule and wins it should give the RPI a more realistic perspective. They sort of attempt to adjust via factoring in wins against top ten, twenty and fifty teams. However, that still utilizes the original inherent flaw within the RPI rankings. The answer is to eliminate the flaw not using an adjustment that still utilizes that same inherent flaw.
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Post by bvrbooster on Jul 31, 2019 17:41:22 GMT -8
Coaches know how the RPI system works when they make their schedules, and nobody's forcing them to bring in an Arkansas Pine Bluff to demolish. You do that, it hurts your RPI and, eventually, your tournament seeding, but that was a given when you scheduled them.
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Jul 31, 2019 18:50:06 GMT -8
Saint Mary’s had a solid RPI at 48, and we blew them out of the gym. Just looking at the RPI list, definitely some solid local-ish teams that have high RPIs (top-100), but could still be relatively easy wins, without killing our SOS like La Salle and Arkansas Pine Bluff.
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Post by sewingbeaver on Jul 31, 2019 20:15:06 GMT -8
Maybe Gonzaga again? RPI of 13?
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Post by bvrbooster on Jul 31, 2019 22:24:37 GMT -8
Gonzaga is a very solid program, finished last year at 29-5 and a number 18 ranking, and they have a great fan base. Plus, they are, of course, another Northwest team. I'd like to see us schedule a home and away series with them, and see if that couldn't develop into something regular.
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Post by 411500 on Aug 1, 2019 6:54:36 GMT -8
I'd love to see home and home games with Gonzaga.... As bvrbooster pointed out above the Zags have a great fan base - they have higher per game attendance than the Beavs.... They defeated Stanford at home last year, which is impressive, and they fought us down to the last minute at Gill with 2 important starters not suiting up...They are well coached....There is a lot to like about their program....
Travel to Spokane should be fairly easy.....When they play in Corvallis they will bring fans with them.....
So, back to the beginning: I'd love to see the Beavs schedule home and home with the Zags....Make it an annual deal. It's got real possibilities... We don't have any real non-conference rivals....This could easily develop into one.... We pursue some of the same recruits so that would add even more backdrop to the series.... GO BEAVS !!
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